Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[Dan Sullivan]

When I build wheels (I've done maybe 4 or 5) I just lay the new wheel next 
to a built wheel and copy the spoke pattern.  I may have watched a video 
once; may have read something from Sheldon. Except for the one time when I 
threaded the spokes backwards (elbows out when they shoulda been in) I've 
never broken a spoke and they have stayed true. The time I broke one spoke 
I looked at the wheel and, oh duh, saw my mistake, turned the spokes around 
and it's been fine since.

I do have an ancient cast iron truing stand someone gave me and I use it 
but I've also just put the wheel in a frame and used the brake pads as 
guides -- leave the quick release (or straddle cable in the case of cantis) 
open until you get it pretty straight and then close them when it gets 
close to true. I don't claim to be a role model, but I have enjoyed 
building wheels.  One January at the Madison swap I scored a bunch of MA-2s 
and MA-40s, some new and some built on cheap hubs, and I have built several 
nice wheelsets as a result.  Still have a couple waiting to be put together 
when I need them.

Dan
sunny southern WI, with a chance of snow tonight

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 10:29:39 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Do it. I've built exactly 1 wheel, to try it, and it served me well for a 
> few thousand miles. This was a 36-hole non-dished wheel for a fixed 
> drivetrain, and following Sheldon Brown's instructions it was surprisingly 
> easy without having to dish or give different tensions to R and L sides. I 
> took me slightly over an hour, IIRC, at any rate, less than 2 hours.
>
> I had no wheel building stand or any other wheel-specific tools except a 
> spoke wrench.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:25 AM 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that 
>> I haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge 
>> too far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I 
>> can at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride 
>> in the means streets of DC and on some gravel.  
>>
>> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a 
>> competent wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once 
>> for the first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds 
>> for success?  Will I quit in frustration?
>>
>> Points of view encouraged.
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[RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[True Golden]

Garth, did you mean Jim Langley for the YouTube wheel building video and 
perhaps auto correct screwed ut up?

I could not find a Jim Land wheel building video but found this Jim Langley one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8


...
Garth wrote,
" Jim Land on youtube has the best video of building/truing wheels I've seen, 
his way is presentation is very easy going and more intuitive than all the 
books that I once read, and hated."
..

Thanks for this thread and all who contributed.
I'm another who has been on the fence about giving it a try. Perhaps this will 
get me motivated as well.

Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No, I got the frame and a few other bits. I found a pretty cheap set of 
pre-built wheels which have held up pretty well, probably due in part to the 
deep-section rims.

--Eric Norris
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> On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Eric: Did I sell the fixed wheel to you along with the Motobecane? If so, I 
> wonder how well it stood up to your high mileage. That was the one wheel I've 
> built.
> 
> If I didn't sell it to you, I wonder where the heck it went?
> 
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:33 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  > wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who has built wheels successfully for chiming in on this. 
> I’ve always viewed building wheels as the kind of thing I want a trusted 
> professional doing. I have a couple of top-notch wheelbuilders I trust who 
> have built thousands of wheels. Building my own always seemed a little like 
> home surgery—better to go to a pro.
> 
> OTOH, I started processing color film during Quarantine, which is something I 
> resisted doing for years. Great results so far (but the consequences of 
> failure are a poorly developed negative, not a wheel disintegrating on the 
> way down a mountain).
> 
> Hearing that others have built successfully with basic tools is empowering. I 
> may have to try it myself.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Mark Roland > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have threatened to build my own wheels for a number of years. Finally, 
>> this year, with the addition of a few Rivendell framesets that needed wider 
>> rims than I could filch from my stack of vintage stuff, I went for it. 
>> 
>> I have had good success with Roger Musson's A Professional Guide to 
>> Wheelbuilding. You can download a copy for about $10 I believe.  Lots of 
>> good, straightforward instructions, advice, and tips. I had a question on a 
>> recent build (my bmx tribute wheels for my Susie!!)  and he replied via 
>> email within the hour. He breaks it down nicely so that my brain doesn't get 
>> overwhelmed. I like following the directions and having everything work out! 
>> The first pair I built are going strong, no adjustment needed. It's really 
>> very satisfying once you take the plunge. Sneak peek of my Susie hoops: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Seelig wrote:
>> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that I 
>> haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge too 
>> far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I can 
>> at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride in the 
>> means streets of DC and on some gravel.  
>> 
>> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a competent 
>> wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once for the 
>> first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds for 
>> success?  Will I quit in frustration?
>> 
>> Points of view encouraged.
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Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[Patrick Moore]

Eric: Did I sell the fixed wheel to you along with the Motobecane? If so, I
wonder how well it stood up to your high mileage. That was the one wheel
I've built.

If I didn't sell it to you, I wonder where the heck it went?

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:33 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who has built wheels successfully for chiming in on
> this. I’ve always viewed building wheels as the kind of thing I want a
> trusted professional doing. I have a couple of top-notch wheelbuilders I
> trust who have built thousands of wheels. Building my own always seemed a
> little like home surgery—better to go to a pro.
>
> OTOH, I started processing color film during Quarantine, which is
> something I resisted doing for years. Great results so far (but the
> consequences of failure are a poorly developed negative, not a wheel
> disintegrating on the way down a mountain).
>
> Hearing that others have built successfully with basic tools is
> empowering. I may have to try it myself.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Mark Roland 
> wrote:
>
> I have threatened to build my own wheels for a number of years. Finally,
> this year, with the addition of a few Rivendell framesets that needed wider
> rims than I could filch from my stack of vintage stuff, I went for it.
>
> I have had good success with Roger Musson's A Professional Guide to
> Wheelbuilding. You can download a copy for about $10 I believe.  Lots of
> good, straightforward instructions, advice, and tips. I had a question on a
> recent build (my bmx tribute wheels for my Susie!!)  and he replied via
> email within the hour. He breaks it down nicely so that my brain doesn't
> get overwhelmed. I like following the directions and having everything work
> out! The first pair I built are going strong, no adjustment needed. It's
> really very satisfying once you take the plunge. Sneak peek of my Susie
> hoops:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Seelig wrote:
>>
>> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that
>> I haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge
>> too far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I
>> can at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride
>> in the means streets of DC and on some gravel.
>>
>> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a
>> competent wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once
>> for the first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds
>> for success?  Will I quit in frustration?
>>
>> Points of view encouraged.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks to everyone who has built wheels successfully for chiming in on this. 
I’ve always viewed building wheels as the kind of thing I want a trusted 
professional doing. I have a couple of top-notch wheelbuilders I trust who have 
built thousands of wheels. Building my own always seemed a little like home 
surgery—better to go to a pro.

OTOH, I started processing color film during Quarantine, which is something I 
resisted doing for years. Great results so far (but the consequences of failure 
are a poorly developed negative, not a wheel disintegrating on the way down a 
mountain).

Hearing that others have built successfully with basic tools is empowering. I 
may have to try it myself.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> I have threatened to build my own wheels for a number of years. Finally, this 
> year, with the addition of a few Rivendell framesets that needed wider rims 
> than I could filch from my stack of vintage stuff, I went for it. 
> 
> I have had good success with Roger Musson's A Professional Guide to 
> Wheelbuilding. You can download a copy for about $10 I believe.  Lots of 
> good, straightforward instructions, advice, and tips. I had a question on a 
> recent build (my bmx tribute wheels for my Susie!!)  and he replied via email 
> within the hour. He breaks it down nicely so that my brain doesn't get 
> overwhelmed. I like following the directions and having everything work out! 
> The first pair I built are going strong, no adjustment needed. It's really 
> very satisfying once you take the plunge. Sneak peek of my Susie hoops: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Steven Seelig wrote:
> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that I 
> haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge too 
> far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I can 
> at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride in the 
> means streets of DC and on some gravel.  
> 
> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a competent 
> wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once for the 
> first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds for 
> success?  Will I quit in frustration?
> 
> Points of view encouraged.
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Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[Shoji Takahashi]

I second that, i.e., lace up your own dyno wheel. I built my first wheel a 
few years ago and a few more since. Nothing fancy: 32-hole 3x front and 
rear; I'm 155# and just riding along. My first attempt at wheelbuilding 
lasted the life of the rim without having to retouch it, so I call that a 
success.

I read Jobst Brandt's The Bicycle Wheel and few other online resources. It 
might be helpful for an overview, but I think the Sheldon Brown website 
covers wheel building well. I still use the Sheldon Brown site as a my 
go-to for step-by-step instructions when lacing.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html#lacing

I use DT Swiss's spoke calculator. This is the part that still makes me 
nervous: I don't want to buy/rebuy spokes if I mess up the measurements. 
https://spokes-calculator.dtswiss.com/en/

I've bought my spokes and nipples from Wheelbuilder. Fast service; prices 
seem competitive. 
https://wheelbuilder.com/spokes-nipples/

For front dyno wheel, you won't need a dishing tool. I don't have a dishing 
tool. For rear wheels, I flip the wheel in the truing stand to check 
dishing. 

After my second wheel, I bought a Park Spoke tensiometer from someone on 
iBob or this list. That's made it a lot easier and faster for me to bring 
tension up on the wheels without exceeding the recommended tension. It's 
not necessary, but a nice "check" for me. 

I've never had to build a wheel under time constraints. (Nice thing about 
having N+1.) This is important for me, because I definitely take my time on 
lacing and then tensioning. 

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA




On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:29:39 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Do it. I've built exactly 1 wheel, to try it, and it served me well for a 
> few thousand miles. This was a 36-hole non-dished wheel for a fixed 
> drivetrain, and following Sheldon Brown's instructions it was surprisingly 
> easy without having to dish or give different tensions to R and L sides. I 
> took me slightly over an hour, IIRC, at any rate, less than 2 hours.
>
> I had no wheel building stand or any other wheel-specific tools except a 
> spoke wrench.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:25 AM 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that 
>> I haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge 
>> too far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I 
>> can at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride 
>> in the means streets of DC and on some gravel.  
>>
>> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a 
>> competent wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once 
>> for the first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds 
>> for success?  Will I quit in frustration?
>>
>> Points of view encouraged.
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Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[milessc...@gmail.com]

Although I agree with Patrick, I will say that my first wheel built took me 
significantly longer to build! It's a good experience though. If I were to 
chip in more advice it would be to pay careful attention because if you 
make a mistake early on it often means undoing many steps to correct it. 

Best of luck!

-Miles

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 8:29:39 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Do it. I've built exactly 1 wheel, to try it, and it served me well for a 
> few thousand miles. This was a 36-hole non-dished wheel for a fixed 
> drivetrain, and following Sheldon Brown's instructions it was surprisingly 
> easy without having to dish or give different tensions to R and L sides. I 
> took me slightly over an hour, IIRC, at any rate, less than 2 hours.
>
> I had no wheel building stand or any other wheel-specific tools except a 
> spoke wrench.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:25 AM 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that 
>> I haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge 
>> too far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I 
>> can at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride 
>> in the means streets of DC and on some gravel.  
>>
>> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a 
>> competent wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once 
>> for the first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds 
>> for success?  Will I quit in frustration?
>>
>> Points of view encouraged.
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Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[Eric Daume]

I’ve built a handful of wheels with only a truing stand. They’ve all come
out fine. I find Jobst’s book to have the clearest instructions. You can
check dish by flipping the wheel over.

Ironically, I started building my own when the expensive custom wheel I got
from my LBS detensioned completely after one ride. Mine have held up much
better!

Eric

On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that
> I haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge
> too far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I
> can at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride
> in the means streets of DC and on some gravel.
>
> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a
> competent wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once
> for the first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds
> for success?  Will I quit in frustration?
>
> Points of view encouraged.
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Re: [RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[Patrick Moore]

Do it. I've built exactly 1 wheel, to try it, and it served me well for a
few thousand miles. This was a 36-hole non-dished wheel for a fixed
drivetrain, and following Sheldon Brown's instructions it was surprisingly
easy without having to dish or give different tensions to R and L sides. I
took me slightly over an hour, IIRC, at any rate, less than 2 hours.

I had no wheel building stand or any other wheel-specific tools except a
spoke wrench.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:25 AM 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that
> I haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge
> too far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I
> can at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride
> in the means streets of DC and on some gravel.
>
> I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a
> competent wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once
> for the first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds
> for success?  Will I quit in frustration?
>
> Points of view encouraged.
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[RBW] Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that I 
haven't ever done before.  Learning to speak French is perhaps a bridge too 
far - not so good at language.  But it seems reasonable to think that I can 
at least build a front wheel with a Dyno hub to put on the Sam I ride in 
the means streets of DC and on some gravel.  

I have a truing stand but not a dishing tool.  I would say I am a competent 
wrencher.  Of course anyone who has built up a wheel did it once for the 
first time.  Is this something I should take on?  What are the odds for 
success?  Will I quit in frustration?

Points of view encouraged.

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