Re: [RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
Hi Will, Your component discription is the only time I've heard of anyone sucsessfully using clamp on downtube shifters on a Sam. Could you please provide more information regarding this dt shifter setup? My previous impression was that the vintage clamp bands wouldn't fit the larger diameter downtube on the Sam. The lack of down tube shifter brazeons on the Sam has been the greatest drawback for me in considering this frame. It would be nice to know of a workable solution for future possibilities.. Thanks, Mike On 3/27/12, Will wrote: > Sean: I think a Sam would be a great choice for your needs. I'm of similar > mind and size: 46 years, 6'1" with a 88 pbh. I ride a 60 Sam. Its a little > tight when standing over it but i dont do that much. When I'm in the saddle > its the most comfortable bike I've ever had. Right now I've got it set up > pretty light and fast. No fenders or racks. Just my brand v saddle bag. > Clamp on downtube shifters and Specialized Infinity 38 tires. Going with > Kojaks (35s) when it gets more summery. I've had it built up heavy too. It's > such a great platform. I love experimenting with it. There's so many ways to > set it up. I'm so enthralled with my orange, single tt, canti braked version > that I went ahead and signed on for the new bleu 2tt, side pull. I'm looking > forward to the ease of use and set up of the side pull brakes and at my size > the second top tube can't hurt. All that PLUS the fancy paint? I like the > way Grant and Riv do things. It's a great deal. I would think that if you > get one it will become your favorite. It can be your go fast and everything > your other bikes do too! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rksd7VXqV8sJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
Sean: I think a Sam would be a great choice for your needs. I'm of similar mind and size: 46 years, 6'1" with a 88 pbh. I ride a 60 Sam. Its a little tight when standing over it but i dont do that much. When I'm in the saddle its the most comfortable bike I've ever had. Right now I've got it set up pretty light and fast. No fenders or racks. Just my brand v saddle bag. Clamp on downtube shifters and Specialized Infinity 38 tires. Going with Kojaks (35s) when it gets more summery. I've had it built up heavy too. It's such a great platform. I love experimenting with it. There's so many ways to set it up. I'm so enthralled with my orange, single tt, canti braked version that I went ahead and signed on for the new bleu 2tt, side pull. I'm looking forward to the ease of use and set up of the side pull brakes and at my size the second top tube can't hurt. All that PLUS the fancy paint? I like the way Grant and Riv do things. It's a great deal. I would think that if you get one it will become your favorite. It can be your go fast and everything your other bikes do too! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rksd7VXqV8sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
I owned a single tt Sam, 56 cm, for a few months before I decided I didn't like the way it handled (mostly with a load: I hated the way it wandered all over the road when twiddling seated up a steep hill with a rear load). But my taste in handling apart, it is a wonderfully versatile bike good for commuting, errands, touring (tho' the tubing is not as stout as that of a full-on touring bike) and firm dirt roads. I also own two custom riv road bikes (and sold an earlier one some years ago). and I must say that, in comparison, the Sam is not a go fast bike. Of course, much depends on your wheels and tires, but IMO (5'10", 175, 57) the tubing is just too stout for that light steel tubing feel, and the top tube too long, at least for someone of my height, to get the bars low enough for the kind of fast riding I like. I imagine that, with a second tt, the frame might feel even less "supple". But if I had room and money and miles for another bike, I'd have kept the Sam for a recreational, unloaded/light load pavement-cum-dirt rambler. Patrick "just enjoyed the gofast feel of my '99 Joe Starck custom 650C fixie" Moore On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, SeanMac wrote: > I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam Hillborne's. > They look like really wonderful bikes. Strong, versatile, attractive are > words that come to mind when I think about this bike. These are qualities > that I find attractive. However, I also like to go fastish. Can I do this > with a Sam as well? > > I'm pushing 45 years old. A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast bike > built for me. That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do. I > also have a Trek 520 Touring bike. This bike, obviously, is built for > touring. Its not very fast, nor very lively. In short, my Trek isn't much > fun to ride. I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes -- > one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike paths > (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to ride > (like my Trek). > > Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up to > be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks. I want to be able > to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first > place). However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club > and recreational rides as well. In fact, the vast majority of rides will > be 20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides. Is the Sam well suited > to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520? Most likely > I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack > Browns. > > I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that will > be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride. However, > if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less expensive > alternative. I don't think that my body has any proportions that would make > me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length 35 inches) so > I don't think that I need to go custom (though it sure is fun to do so!). > > Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be appreciated. > > Sean > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qkcBbAgkYc0J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
I have to agree with others. It souns like a San Marcos is a better fit. I have a Sam and would never ride it with less then 35mm tires, it feels more like a country bike to me. Now I do go fast on my Sam but its usually downhill! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ifv0nui5fDIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
Sean, I have had a Sam Hillborne for a couple of years and 2000 miles or so. I have ridden alot of bikes but I wouldn't say the Sam is a go fastish bike. The Sam is smooth, comfortable and is the most comfortable riding bike I have ever had but not go fastish.. Bruce On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, SeanMac wrote: > I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam > Hillborne's. They look like really wonderful bikes. Strong, versatile, > attractive are words that come to mind when I think about this bike. These > are qualities that I find attractive. However, I also like to go fastish. > Can I do this with a Sam as well? > > I'm pushing 45 years old. A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast > bike built for me. That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do. > I also have a Trek 520 Touring bike. This bike, obviously, is built for > touring. Its not very fast, nor very lively. In short, my Trek isn't much > fun to ride. I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes -- > one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike paths > (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to ride > (like my Trek). > > Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up > to be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks. I want to be > able to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first > place). However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club > and recreational rides as well. In fact, the vast majority of rides will > be 20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides. Is the Sam well suited > to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520? Most likely > I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack > Browns. > > I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that > will be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride. > However, if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less > expensive alternative. I don't think that my body has any proportions that > would make me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length > 35 inches) so I don't think that I *need* to go custom (though it sure is > fun to do so!). > > Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be appreciated. > > Sean > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qkcBbAgkYc0J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
How about the San Marcos, looks like it would suit your needs a bit better than the Sam in my opinion with its lighter weight tubeset and you would still have the option to rack and fender it if you wanted to at some point. On Mar 27, 2012 8:03 AM, "Peter Pesce" wrote: > I have a Sam that has been set up a few different ways. Like you, I use > the Sam almost exclusively for 20-30 mile fun/exercise rides. I'm not > capable of going "fast" by any measure, but my Sam is my "go fastest." bike. > Whether it will feel lively to you is another question. I think the SH is > pretty stoutly built, especially with two top tubes. My single TT Sam feels > pretty good under my 235 lbs. if you are a lightweight it might feel less > so. > As for builds, as an experiment I tried a lightweight build on mine using > parts I had around or could acquire cheaply. Using a WTB saddle (not an > exotic one, just not a Brooks!) super light 28mm tires, and an older SRAM > Rival drivettrain I was able to get the bike to 23 lbs. It still had 36 > spoke Dyads with XT hubs on it, so there is still some weight to be saved > on wheels if you wanted to. > I guess the point is you could make a go-fast Sam, but it's not really > what the bike wants to be. Perhaps a Boulder rando frame or something like > a Soma Stanyan would suit you better? > > Pete in CT > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w6WzBS3xMfQJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
I have a Sam that has been set up a few different ways. Like you, I use the Sam almost exclusively for 20-30 mile fun/exercise rides. I'm not capable of going "fast" by any measure, but my Sam is my "go fastest." bike. Whether it will feel lively to you is another question. I think the SH is pretty stoutly built, especially with two top tubes. My single TT Sam feels pretty good under my 235 lbs. if you are a lightweight it might feel less so. As for builds, as an experiment I tried a lightweight build on mine using parts I had around or could acquire cheaply. Using a WTB saddle (not an exotic one, just not a Brooks!) super light 28mm tires, and an older SRAM Rival drivettrain I was able to get the bike to 23 lbs. It still had 36 spoke Dyads with XT hubs on it, so there is still some weight to be saved on wheels if you wanted to. I guess the point is you could make a go-fast Sam, but it's not really what the bike wants to be. Perhaps a Boulder rando frame or something like a Soma Stanyan would suit you better? Pete in CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w6WzBS3xMfQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
Sean - I'm the same size and age as you and have a 59cm A Homer Hilsen. I have ridden a 60cm Sam at Riv HQ, and it felt big, but it was set up with very high bars. I would go for a 56cm if you're doing a light go-fast config. I think a Sam could be set up as a "go-fast", but it will depend on your wheel/component choice. My Homer has had a few different configurations that have ranged from a light-ish (24#) setup sans fenders/rack/lights to its current config as a randonneur. The beauty of the bike is that it has a wide range. You will always find a bike that may be better for one specific config. It sounds like you've found that out. One of the things I love about my Riv (besides the innate beauty) is that I love modding it. It's a great platform bike that gets reborn about twice a year. I haven't found a purpose it didn't pull off well yet. I have fun building/rebuilding, though, and that's not for everyone. My $.02... Brian Seattle, WA On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 4:13 PM, SeanMac wrote: > I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam > Hillborne's. They look like really wonderful bikes. Strong, versatile, > attractive are words that come to mind when I think about this bike. These > are qualities that I find attractive. However, I also like to go fastish. > Can I do this with a Sam as well? > > I'm pushing 45 years old. A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast > bike built for me. That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do. > I also have a Trek 520 Touring bike. This bike, obviously, is built for > touring. Its not very fast, nor very lively. In short, my Trek isn't much > fun to ride. I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes -- > one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike paths > (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to ride > (like my Trek). > > Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up > to be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks. I want to be > able to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first > place). However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club > and recreational rides as well. In fact, the vast majority of rides will > be 20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides. Is the Sam well suited > to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520? Most likely > I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack > Browns. > > I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that > will be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride. > However, if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less > expensive alternative. I don't think that my body has any proportions that > would make me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length > 35 inches) so I don't think that I *need* to go custom (though it sure is > fun to do so!). > > Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be appreciated. > > Sean > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qkcBbAgkYc0J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam Hillborne's. They look like really wonderful bikes. Strong, versatile, attractive are words that come to mind when I think about this bike. These are qualities that I find attractive. However, I also like to go fastish. Can I do this with a Sam as well? I'm pushing 45 years old. A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast bike built for me. That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do. I also have a Trek 520 Touring bike. This bike, obviously, is built for touring. Its not very fast, nor very lively. In short, my Trek isn't much fun to ride. I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes -- one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike paths (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to ride (like my Trek). Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up to be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks. I want to be able to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first place). However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club and recreational rides as well. In fact, the vast majority of rides will be 20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides. Is the Sam well suited to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520? Most likely I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack Browns. I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that will be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride. However, if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less expensive alternative. I don't think that my body has any proportions that would make me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length 35 inches) so I don't think that I *need* to go custom (though it sure is fun to do so!). Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be appreciated. Sean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qkcBbAgkYc0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
