Re: [RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
The CX-50, in addition to a fixed straddle cable has spacers for the pads. You measure the cantilever post spacing, measure your rim width, and consult a table (a PDF on the Shimano site) to choose the best pad spacer. I have these brakes, they work great, and I may have paid $30 for a bikesworth, brand new. Highly recommended, even with the black pads that are about due for a Koolstop upgrade. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 5:52:08 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > I'd be very surprised indeed if the cx70 had more power than the Rene > Herse cantilever. The low profile design is noted for losing power as the > pads get closer to the rim. > > Low profile cantilevers like this are very sensitive to straddle cable > adjustment, whereas mid-profile cantilevers like the Herse brake are > insensitive to it. All the complex documentation about canti adjustment is > based on the low profile design's sensitivity to height of the straddle > cable support. None of that is applicable to the Herse design. > > In both these cases, it should be noted, the straddle cable length isn't > adjustable per se; with the Shimano style various lengths of straddle cable > are available. A longer straddle cable was promised at one point for the > Herse brake, for special applications, but I'm not sure if it's been made > available yet, as I don't see such a thing listed on their web site. > > As for ease of setup, the Herse brake isn't like some smooth post > cantilever brakes. Yes there is one nut holding the post in place and on > loosening the bolt you can slide the pad in and out, rotate it and tilt > it. But it's not quite like some, where undoing that one nut loosens > everything - vertical, toe, and all the rest. There is no vertical > adjustment, and toe is set either permanently once by bending, or using a > notched washer. There also is no adjustment for spring tension. > > > On 4/15/19 12:59 AM, Drw wrote: > > Oh man, > Those compass ones look super nice but I’d take the setup and power of the > cx70/50 any day over those any day. I’m no expert mechanic but I’ve used > cantis that with the way the compass ones do and, for me, they are a big > pain. At this point I > > > -- > Steve Palincsar > Alexandria, Virginia > USA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
Economically/practically speaking:- V brakes will probably offer the best stopping power, ease of set up and value. Depending on what levers you use and if long pull would present an option. Deore level V's etc. I have CR720 cantis on a couple of bikes and am pleased with them. Kool Stop pads help a lot. IanA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
I'm curious about others' opinions about the IRD Cafam/Cafam2. I've used a fair number of cantis, have never been able to set them up well with drop levers myself (a deficiency shared by some of the local shops I've used; so perhaps the fault lies in some of the designs), but the best brakes I can remember using were the IRDs set up by Rivendell staff with salmon Kool Stop pads on my Sam Hillborne. For power, modulation, and feel, these were near perfect -- and I have used many types and brands of brakes. I seem to recall that adjusting pads on these IRDs was no more difficult than XT or Dia Compe cantis of the ealy 90s. Opinions? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
I'd be very surprised indeed if the cx70 had more power than the Rene Herse cantilever. The low profile design is noted for losing power as the pads get closer to the rim. Low profile cantilevers like this are very sensitive to straddle cable adjustment, whereas mid-profile cantilevers like the Herse brake are insensitive to it. All the complex documentation about canti adjustment is based on the low profile design's sensitivity to height of the straddle cable support. None of that is applicable to the Herse design. In both these cases, it should be noted, the straddle cable length isn't adjustable per se; with the Shimano style various lengths of straddle cable are available. A longer straddle cable was promised at one point for the Herse brake, for special applications, but I'm not sure if it's been made available yet, as I don't see such a thing listed on their web site. As for ease of setup, the Herse brake isn't like some smooth post cantilever brakes. Yes there is one nut holding the post in place and on loosening the bolt you can slide the pad in and out, rotate it and tilt it. But it's not quite like some, where undoing that one nut loosens everything - vertical, toe, and all the rest. There is no vertical adjustment, and toe is set either permanently once by bending, or using a notched washer. There also is no adjustment for spring tension. On 4/15/19 12:59 AM, Drw wrote: Oh man, Those compass ones look super nice but I’d take the setup and power of the cx70/50 any day over those any day. I’m no expert mechanic but I’ve used cantis that with the way the compass ones do and, for me, they are a big pain. At this point I -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
Oh man, Those compass ones look super nice but I’d take the setup and power of the cx70/50 any day over those any day. I’m no expert mechanic but I’ve used cantis that with the way the compass ones do and, for me, they are a big pain. At this point I -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
On 4/14/19 8:00 PM, Erik Wright wrote: I'm thinking about getting canti posts brazed onto my sidepull Sam Hillborne to fit a wider tire / make wide tire installation easier. Canti brakes would be replacing Paul Racers. If I go this route, what are the best options out there? I figure top of the line is Paul, No, the top of the line is the Rene Herse cantilever. but what's a more affordable brake? I see a lot of chatter around Shimano CX70, but hear they're discontinued. Is there a comparable option available now, or does it make sense to hunt down a used set of CX70s? If I splurge on Neo Retros, am I gaining anything functionally over other options? Or a used set of the Shimano Deore XT wide profile cantilevers like the BR-M730 SHIMANO DEORE XT brakes !! BR-m730 !! https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-DEORE-XT-brakes-BR-m730/123718524215?hash=item1cce32dd37:g:hp0AAOSwCHBbHTSa or this one Shimano Deore XT "Deer Head" Cantilever brakes BR-MC70 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-Deore-XT-Deer-Head-Cantilever-brakes-BR-MC70/123731334609?hash=item1ccef655d1:g:1b0AAOSwGHxcrrh0 ? But really, there's just nothing better than this one for a nice bike Image result for rene herse cantilever brake since you can be sure the posts will be put in exactly the right place. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
CX50s are still available and functionally the same as CX70. But the answer for power and ease of setup (and no cable stops at headtube and seat clamp) is linear pull 👍 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] What're the best cantilever brakes out there?
I'm thinking about getting canti posts brazed onto my sidepull Sam Hillborne to fit a wider tire / make wide tire installation easier. Canti brakes would be replacing Paul Racers. If I go this route, what are the best options out there? I figure top of the line is Paul, but what's a more affordable brake? I see a lot of chatter around Shimano CX70, but hear they're discontinued. Is there a comparable option available now, or does it make sense to hunt down a used set of CX70s? If I splurge on Neo Retros, am I gaining anything functionally over other options? Thanks! Erik, Philly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
