Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread Bill Connell
I nominate this the best thread of the year. All this detective work
has been fun!

Taylor - post some pictures when you get it, i missed the original
auction, would be interesting to see.

Bill


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
 pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
 I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

 I am impressed that so many of you knew so many details  history!

 (not that I'm worth impressing, just stating a fact)

 G

 On Jul 11, 5:20 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
 JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

 Doug

 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Almost forgot

 http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw

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  *From:* trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
  *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
  *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay

  Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on
  this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle
  bosses seam oddly placed.
  Any thoughts?
  Trevor

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 13:06 -0700, grant wrote:
 The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
 pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
 I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

That would make it even rarer and more valuable, right?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread Doug Van Cleve
Grant, thanks for closing the loop on that :^)

I knew about the early Waterford bikes that went out with HJ crowns due to
the redesign of the original RBW crown, my friend Phil had an early one for
a while that actually had 2 forks, one with the RBW crown and one with the
HJ).  I didn't know there were geometry prototypes out there, but I guess
it makes sense, unless they were destroyed or something...

Doug


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
 pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
 I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

 I am impressed that so many of you knew so many details  history!

 (not that I'm worth impressing, just stating a fact)

 G

 On Jul 11, 5:20 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
  I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals,
 but
  JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?
 
  Doug
 
  On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
   Almost forgot
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw
 
   - Forwarded Message 
   *From:* trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
   *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
   *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay
 
   Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but
 nothing on
   this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water
 bottle
   bosses seam oddly placed.
   Any thoughts?
   Trevor


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RE: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-12 Thread Frederick, Steve
They almost look like Bridgestone lugs.  I wonder if the head lugs were 
abbreviated because of the bike's small size?

Steve

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Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:33 AM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay


I agree with Doug, those lugs looks very simple for an early
Rivendell.

IIRC the Road Standards had the Richard Sachs designed lugs other
models hand different, simplier (but not his simple?) lugs.

Angus

On 11 July, 23:16, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Joe,

 I agree about the paint but I don't recall ever seeing any Riv with plain
 lugs.  There are/were early ones around that don't have the first RBW crown,
 as the initial testing revealed a flaw and some frames went out with HJ
 crowns.  Even the early Rivs had the Sachs designed lugs to the best of my
 knowledge.  Most curious...

 Doug



 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
   I hate to disagreewell, actually I kind of like to disagree. Anyway,
  if you look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that
  have paint jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I
  distinctly remember one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell
  head tube and lugfill. And no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame
  and then put Riv decals on it. Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv no
  longer controls the paint job style choices so if it's a second paintjob,
  that would also explain the difference.

  I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It
  would seem that any Riv owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv
  would likely not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply.
  It might have just been a road frame.

  Joe

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  From: dvancl...@gmail.com
  Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

  I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
  JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

  Doug

  On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.comwrote:

  Almost forgot

 http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw

  - Forwarded Message 
  *From:* trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
  *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
  *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay

  Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on
  this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle
  bosses seam oddly placed.
  Any thoughts?
  Trevor- Hide quoted text -

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