Re: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
+1
We used the unit of measurement a bunch when I was in the Navy.
JimD
Precision in all things.
On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:11 AM, William wrote:
> Perhaps we should develop our own quantitative metric for the narrowness of
> the hair being split? Inspired by the well known engineering unit the RCH.
>
> SHPI -- splittable hairs per inch?
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> On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:
> You can say that every post on this group ever has been splitting hairs. It's
> part of the fun :)
>
> - Ryan
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> On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:03:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
> MichaelH illustrates how little difference it makes. Three minutes is his
> largest variation in his 18 mile ride on a variety of different tires with
> different bikes, and that variation wasn't even reproducible in a second
> trial. I spent seven years in grad school doing science, so I can see that
> there are confounding factors in Michael's research that muddy the waters.
> But his over all consistency from tire to tire and bike to bike suggests (if
> not proves) that tire differences play much less role than, say, the rider's
> day to day energy level and attitude, wind direction, and countless other
> factors. Comparing one lightweight 700x28 tire to another is really splitting
> hairs.
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> On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:16:05 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:
> Another single data point.
>
> Along with the post on where the Rambouillet fit in the Riv line up, I rode
> an 18 mile loop from my home on my Ram with a pair of Continental GP4, 23 mm
> tires. (A gift). The course has 900 feet of climbing and includes 4-5 miles
> of dirt roads, with the rest equally divided among good pavement, bad
> pavement, and atrocious pavement. After the ride I recorded my time &
> subjective impressions (painful). I also discovered a cut in the sidewall
> of the rear tire, so I decide to replicate the ride with a variety of bikes
> and ties. I rode it twice on my Ebisu with Jack Browns. The first ride was
> 3 minutes slower but the second was identical, although a lot more
> comfortable. I rode it once with my Trek & T Serve (30mm actual). My time
> was right between the faster and slower rides & the comfort just a nudge
> below the JB. Now the wind has shifted around from the south to the west (
> it has been blowing at 20 -25 mph, making this very real world test) and the
> dirt road has been graded, leaving it's surface full of rocks and loose sand,
> so it's really hard going now. Hard to make comparisons. I'm in Boston for
> the weekend and heavy rain forecasted for next week so this test will be
> suspended for a while.
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> I'm not sure where this leaves me. I'd like to put the Grand Bois Green on
> my ram but am wondering if the perceived advantage is worth the added flats.
>
> Michael
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> On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29:48 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
> I'm in the same boat with Pari-Motos. I flat almost every ride with
> Pari-Motos, and almost never with anything else. I've put them back on with
> Foss tubes to try again. I like the ride of them, but the flat record is
> pretty bad for me. For me it's been glass.
>
> On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
> Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy front/rear
> combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have considered to be
> special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them for 25 mountainy miles
> yesterday and enjoyed their feel immensely. Today I got a front goathead
> flat. This is the 3rd flat I have had on these tires in about a dozen rides.
> This is by far the worst flat record of any tire I have used, ever. I
> understand I cannot say this will be the flat record for me in the future or
> for you in your environment, but my faith in the tire is shaken and it
> affects the enjoyment of my ride. I am putting more effort into scanning the
> road or trying to stay off the dirtier portions of the road instead of
> enjoying the view or thinking my deep thoughts. {~;
> .
> When I got home I fixed the flat, pulled the GB Cerfs and replaced them with
> the RP/RT combo. As I was changing them, I weighed them on my Park digital
> spring scale. To the nearest ounce, the Cerf was 10oz, Rolly Poly 11oz, Ruffy
> Tuffy 13oz, Jack Brown Green 33mm was 12-13oz. All of these tires are made by
> Panasonic. Now I believe Jan Heine's rollout tire comparisons are valid. But
> for me to flat every second or third ride is just not worth the lower rolling
> resistance or an ounce or two of rotating weight.
>
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Re: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
Challenge Parigi-Roubaix are great but have a reputation for flatting easily (I've been lucky so far, knock wood). The measure 29-30mm on my relatively narrow Velocity Aerohead rims. - David G, Madison WI On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:47 AM, David T. wrote: > What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement? Or > some good ones? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
Fir that matter, +1 on the Challenge PR's. On Sunday, April 15, 2012, Jim M. wrote: > I like the Schwalbe Ultremo. Very fast, light, and so far, no flats in the > first 1,000 miles. > > jim m > wc ca > > On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:47:12 AM UTC-7, David T. wrote: >> >> What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement? Or >> some good ones? >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iUNk-Nf6RvAJ. > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com');> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 'rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
I agree. I have the Challenge PR's on my bike now, but when they wear out, I'll go back to the Cerfs. Awesome tires in every way. Both of these tires do great on gravel/dirt roads too - for what they are. John Speare Spokane, WA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of robert zeidler Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:17 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement? +1 on GB's. On Sunday, April 15, 2012, William wrote: I've been pretty happy with the Clement Strada TTG (TGG?). It's more like a 27 on a narrow rim (open pro) I'm eager to try the Grand Bois Cerf Green Label and the Challenge Paris Roubaix On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:47:12 AM UTC-7, David T. wrote: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement? Or some good ones? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OjEveI6NNxEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
+1 on GB's. On Sunday, April 15, 2012, William wrote: > I've been pretty happy with the Clement Strada TTG (TGG?). It's more like > a 27 on a narrow rim (open pro) > > I'm eager to try the Grand Bois Cerf Green Label and the Challenge Paris > Roubaix > > On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:47:12 AM UTC-7, David T. wrote: >> >> What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement? Or >> some good ones? >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OjEveI6NNxEJ. > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com');> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 'rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
