Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
If finances allow, I will also echo having two different COMPLETE bikes. The challenge is making sure you are NOT building the same bike again. I know that sounds confusing, but how many of us have two "different" bikes that both have the same cockpit, same saddle, even the same wheelset. Making one MORE paved road and one MORE unpaved road would be a starting point. And the different frame size will be ideal for that. Ride Safely, Beaverton "My Wife Would Be Happy IF I Only Had Two Bikes" Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Ahh the joys of mail order. I will note, that Rivendell does have a solid return/exchange policy, so i probably could have attempted an exchange. However, I was the one who selected the 55 based on my interpretation of the posted geometry charts and the 55 did actually fit. My reasons for wanting the 58 were partially visual and based on the fact that my build is more “road” specific than the stated off road design for the bike. I should have taken that into account when making my initial sizing estimate. There are worse things than having two Appaloosas to work with :-) Hugh On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 8:28 AM Dave Small wrote: > I've had a similar experience but in reverse. In 2012 I bought a 60cm > first-run Sam Hillborne that on paper fit me. My 88cm PBH was at the > bottom of the recommended range, but it was in the range. My PBH was also > at the *top* of the recommended range on the 56cm model. I could have > gone with either one but knew that Riv espoused going with the biggest > frame that'll fit, and took their recommendation. I liked the bike but > couldn't get myself to love it---it felt a little too big. > > That presented a quandary for me: Was it the model, the size, or the "Riv > ride" in general that I didn't love? I eliminated the "Riv ride" as a > problem by buying a used Homer Hilsen on ebay; after just one 35-mile ride > I determined that if I'm ever forced to reduce my stable to one bike, the > Homer is a strong candidate to be that one. So it was down to model and > size as the two remaining variables. When Riv brought out their 58cm > single-top-tube version a few years ago, I was smack in the middle of the > PBH range and bought a complete bike. I loved it immediately. > > The size was the issue. The only difference was 2cm in sizing and a > couple of minor tweaks to the geometry (front/center had become shorter, I > think). The contact points on the two builds were spaced about the same, > but the 60cm Sam just *felt* a little too big while the 58cm Sam felt > perfect. I now don't buy Riv models for which I'm at the edges of 2 > overlapping ranges, and instead consider only those for which that I'm > firmly planted in the middle of a range. > > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
I've had a similar experience but in reverse. In 2012 I bought a 60cm first-run Sam Hillborne that on paper fit me. My 88cm PBH was at the bottom of the recommended range, but it was in the range. My PBH was also at the *top* of the recommended range on the 56cm model. I could have gone with either one but knew that Riv espoused going with the biggest frame that'll fit, and took their recommendation. I liked the bike but couldn't get myself to love it---it felt a little too big. That presented a quandary for me: Was it the model, the size, or the "Riv ride" in general that I didn't love? I eliminated the "Riv ride" as a problem by buying a used Homer Hilsen on ebay; after just one 35-mile ride I determined that if I'm ever forced to reduce my stable to one bike, the Homer is a strong candidate to be that one. So it was down to model and size as the two remaining variables. When Riv brought out their 58cm single-top-tube version a few years ago, I was smack in the middle of the PBH range and bought a complete bike. I loved it immediately. The size was the issue. The only difference was 2cm in sizing and a couple of minor tweaks to the geometry (front/center had become shorter, I think). The contact points on the two builds were spaced about the same, but the 60cm Sam just *felt* a little too big while the 58cm Sam felt perfect. I now don't buy Riv models for which I'm at the edges of 2 overlapping ranges, and instead consider only those for which that I'm firmly planted in the middle of a range. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Thank you, and yeah, that blue is something. My ‘99 Heron Road is silver, so I thought I’d try something else for the Joe. Honestly, I wasn’t crazy about going with the blue at first...then I saw it in person. It’s a liquid silver blue that just brings joy. Hugh On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 1:21 AM Tim O. (Portland, OR) < timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote: > I love the look of both bikes! That blue! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Both look good. I could see you keeping both and having two different enough setups. > On Jun 16, 2018, at 1:11 PM, hugh flynn wrote: > > Re photo of the 55. > > See below. This was taken before I put the 120 stem on it though. > > > > And another of the 58 for comparison > > > > The contact points are all the same distance from each other (more or less) > just less searpost and quill showing on the 58. > > The top tube length difference is only 1.5 cm or so. Both fit, but I like the > 58 better. > > Hugh >> On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 12:48 PM John W wrote: >> Looks god. Do you have a photo of the 55 to compare it to? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Hugh Flynn > Newburyport, MA > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/CpCfg4vu6OQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Looks god. Do you have a photo of the 55 to compare it to? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Yeah, a shorter stem is needed. It’s probably 1 cm too long for me at the moment (its a 110 Nitto), but that’s manageable under 50 miles or so. The saddle might be at 76cm (measured from the B.B.) but I’d notice it if it were much higher than that. Still some futzing to be done to be sure, but at least I know I’m in the right range on the 58 now so that’s a good thing. Hugh On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 11:45 AM iamkeith wrote: > That's a 75.5cm saddle height? Sure looks good, if not slightly high, to > me. Shorter stem might look better and would also allow it to be higher > but, if this one fits, it's great. Nice call. > > I've struggled with this exact same conundrum since the shift to expanded > sizing. I wish I'd have gotten one of the first-run 58 butterscotch. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
