Re: [RBW] Atlantis! Tire question

2017-05-22 Thread john Bokman 
Doug, thanks for the reply.
Yeah, I’m sure the Plus Tours would feel awful sluggish to me. I’m not a 
bruiser by any stretch. A loaded touring bike for me is only about 30 pounds of 
gear, max, so I would not be interested in anything more stout than the 
“regular old Marathon”. Even that might be unnecessary for my purposes. 


> On May 22, 2017, at 12:48 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> John:
> 
> No, I haven't tried the Green Guards.  I have used the Plus Tour.  It's even 
> heavier & tougher.  One flat in 6,000 miles on the rear & it was a big screw. 
>  I did notice a big improvement in ride & performance when I went back to 
> Supremes.  I think the Plus Tour is about 2X the weight of the Supreme.
> 
> One of my touring buds uses what is probably the Green Guard.  He refers to 
> them as "regular old Schwalbes, $35 each".  He gets few flats & they last a 
> long time.  He does over 12,000 miles per year.
> 
> IME, once the bike is loaded up, I don't notice as much difference in tires.  
> But without a load, I can definitely notice differences in ride quality & 
> performance such as getting up to speed from a stop.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Doug, I'm curious if you've ever tried your Atlantis with Marathon Green 
> Guards. Wondering how they compare to the Supremes. On paper, the Supremes 
> rein supreme, but in real world conditions I'd be curious. Of course they are 
> heavy, but to paraphrase Grant: "With weight comes good things." I know over 
> at the blog "Cycling About", the author did a tire rolling comparison (drum 
> rollers, not real world) and puncture comparison, and the Marathon Green 
> Guard came out very well indeed - especially considering the price per mile. 
> For a true commuting/touring tire, it looks to be extremely long lasting.
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
> Isaac:
> 
> Congratulations on having excellent taste in bikes.  Be sure to post photos 
> when you've rec'd the bike.  
> 
> One of the many beauties of the Atlantis is the ability to fit all sorts of 
> big chubby tires.  While 29+ may be pushing it, for your intended purpose you 
> have tons of good choices.  
> 
> My personal bias is to Schwalbe because I hate flats.  I've been pleased with 
> the 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my 58 cm Atlantis, having used them for many 
> years.  When I was doing more touring (5-6k miles per year) I would only get 
> a flat or 2 per year.  Rear tires lasted a year & fronts a bit longer.  I'm 
> doing about 3,000 miles year now so rarely deal with a flat.  I also don't 
> insist on getting the last mile out of a tire.  
> 
> I've also tried the Marathon Mondials.  They give better traction off 
> pavement, at a penalty in ride & weight.  
> 
> Others have used a wide variety of tires for similar uses so you'll no doubt 
> get plenty of responses with personal use information.  Compass, Soma, et al 
> have all been used with good result.  The trade-off, as always, is puncture 
> resistance and ride vs life span and flat resistance.  You may end up with 
> your own tire inventory.  It's a harmless indulgence.  Enjoy.
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 Atlantis 
> with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation while 
> fantasizing about bike builds... 
> 
> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as on 
> my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and chain 
> stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of its 
> appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
> 
> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
> preferences, but where should I start? 
> 
> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back to 
> the RBW Owners Bunch. 
> 
> Isaac
> 
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis! Tire question

2017-05-22 Thread dougP 
John:

A bicycle is such an amazing device.  We consider "only about 30 lbs" to be 
a moderate load.  What else can easily carry more than it's own weight?

Assuming that the 30 lbs is an occassional load like a lodging tour or an 
S24O, and most of the time you're riding unloaded, my suggestion would be 
the Supremes ride better than the Green Guards.  But for double the money 
they should do something.  

dougP

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Doug, thanks for the reply.
> Yeah, I’m sure the Plus Tours would feel awful sluggish to me. I’m not a 
> bruiser by any stretch. A loaded touring bike for me is only about 30 
> pounds of gear, max, so I would not be interested in anything more stout 
> than the “regular old Marathon”. Even that might be unnecessary for my 
> purposes. 
>
>
> On May 22, 2017, at 12:48 PM, dougP > 
> wrote:
>
> John:
>
> No, I haven't tried the Green Guards.  I have used the Plus Tour.  It's 
> even heavier & tougher.  One flat in 6,000 miles on the rear & it was a big 
> screw.  I did notice a big improvement in ride & performance when I went 
> back to Supremes.  I think the Plus Tour is about 2X the weight of the 
> Supreme.
>
> One of my touring buds uses what is probably the Green Guard.  He refers 
> to them as "regular old Schwalbes, $35 each".  He gets few flats & they 
> last a long time.  He does over 12,000 miles per year.
>
> IME, once the bike is loaded up, I don't notice as much difference in 
> tires.  But without a load, I can definitely notice differences in ride 
> quality & performance such as getting up to speed from a stop.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Doug, I'm curious if you've ever tried your Atlantis with Marathon Green 
>> Guards. Wondering how they compare to the Supremes. On paper, the Supremes 
>> rein supreme, but in real world conditions I'd be curious. Of course they 
>> are heavy, but to paraphrase Grant: "With weight comes good things." I know 
>> over at the blog "Cycling About", the author did a tire rolling comparison 
>> (drum rollers, not real world) and puncture comparison, and the Marathon 
>> Green Guard came out very well indeed - especially considering the price 
>> per mile. For a true commuting/touring tire, it looks to be extremely long 
>> lasting.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Isaac:
>>>
>>> Congratulations on having excellent taste in bikes.  Be sure to post 
>>> photos when you've rec'd the bike.  
>>>
>>> One of the many beauties of the Atlantis is the ability to fit all sorts 
>>> of big chubby tires.  While 29+ may be pushing it, for your intended 
>>> purpose you have tons of good choices.  
>>>
>>> My personal bias is to Schwalbe because I hate flats.  I've been pleased 
>>> with the 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my 58 cm Atlantis, having used them for 
>>> many years.  When I was doing more touring (5-6k miles per year) I would 
>>> only get a flat or 2 per year.  Rear tires lasted a year & fronts a bit 
>>> longer.  I'm doing about 3,000 miles year now so rarely deal with a flat.  
>>> I also don't insist on getting the last mile out of a tire.  
>>>
>>> I've also tried the Marathon Mondials.  They give better traction off 
>>> pavement, at a penalty in ride & weight.  
>>>
>>> Others have used a wide variety of tires for similar uses so you'll no 
>>> doubt get plenty of responses with personal use information.  Compass, 
>>> Soma, et al have all been used with good result.  The trade-off, as always, 
>>> is puncture resistance and ride vs life span and flat resistance.  You may 
>>> end up with your own tire inventory.  It's a harmless indulgence.  Enjoy.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 
 Atlantis with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation 
 while fantasizing about bike builds... 

 Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well 
 as on my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and 
 chain stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of 
 its appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 

 Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
 gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and 
 personal 
 preferences, but where should I start? 

 Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming 
 back to the RBW Owners Bunch. 

 Isaac
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis! Tire question

2017-05-22 Thread john Bokman 
To be specific, a Rivendell bicycle is an amazing device, being able to carry 
loads with ease, while not giving up a great feeling, fun ride.
> On May 22, 2017, at 3:49 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> John:
> 
> A bicycle is such an amazing device.  We consider "only about 30 lbs" to be a 
> moderate load.  What else can easily carry more than it's own weight?
> 
> Assuming that the 30 lbs is an occassional load like a lodging tour or an 
> S24O, and most of the time you're riding unloaded, my suggestion would be the 
> Supremes ride better than the Green Guards.  But for double the money they 
> should do something.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Doug, thanks for the reply.
> Yeah, I’m sure the Plus Tours would feel awful sluggish to me. I’m not a 
> bruiser by any stretch. A loaded touring bike for me is only about 30 pounds 
> of gear, max, so I would not be interested in anything more stout than the 
> “regular old Marathon”. Even that might be unnecessary for my purposes. 
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2017, at 12:48 PM, dougP gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> No, I haven't tried the Green Guards.  I have used the Plus Tour.  It's even 
>> heavier & tougher.  One flat in 6,000 miles on the rear & it was a big 
>> screw.  I did notice a big improvement in ride & performance when I went 
>> back to Supremes.  I think the Plus Tour is about 2X the weight of the 
>> Supreme.
>> 
>> One of my touring buds uses what is probably the Green Guard.  He refers to 
>> them as "regular old Schwalbes, $35 each".  He gets few flats & they last a 
>> long time.  He does over 12,000 miles per year.
>> 
>> IME, once the bike is loaded up, I don't notice as much difference in tires. 
>>  But without a load, I can definitely notice differences in ride quality & 
>> performance such as getting up to speed from a stop.  
>> 
>> dougP
>> 
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>> Doug, I'm curious if you've ever tried your Atlantis with Marathon Green 
>> Guards. Wondering how they compare to the Supremes. On paper, the Supremes 
>> rein supreme, but in real world conditions I'd be curious. Of course they 
>> are heavy, but to paraphrase Grant: "With weight comes good things." I know 
>> over at the blog "Cycling About", the author did a tire rolling comparison 
>> (drum rollers, not real world) and puncture comparison, and the Marathon 
>> Green Guard came out very well indeed - especially considering the price per 
>> mile. For a true commuting/touring tire, it looks to be extremely long 
>> lasting.
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>> Isaac:
>> 
>> Congratulations on having excellent taste in bikes.  Be sure to post photos 
>> when you've rec'd the bike.  
>> 
>> One of the many beauties of the Atlantis is the ability to fit all sorts of 
>> big chubby tires.  While 29+ may be pushing it, for your intended purpose 
>> you have tons of good choices.  
>> 
>> My personal bias is to Schwalbe because I hate flats.  I've been pleased 
>> with the 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my 58 cm Atlantis, having used them for 
>> many years.  When I was doing more touring (5-6k miles per year) I would 
>> only get a flat or 2 per year.  Rear tires lasted a year & fronts a bit 
>> longer.  I'm doing about 3,000 miles year now so rarely deal with a flat.  I 
>> also don't insist on getting the last mile out of a tire.  
>> 
>> I've also tried the Marathon Mondials.  They give better traction off 
>> pavement, at a penalty in ride & weight.  
>> 
>> Others have used a wide variety of tires for similar uses so you'll no doubt 
>> get plenty of responses with personal use information.  Compass, Soma, et al 
>> have all been used with good result.  The trade-off, as always, is puncture 
>> resistance and ride vs life span and flat resistance.  You may end up with 
>> your own tire inventory.  It's a harmless indulgence.  Enjoy.
>> 
>> dougP
>> 
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 Atlantis 
>> with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation while 
>> fantasizing about bike builds... 
>> 
>> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as on 
>> my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and chain 
>> stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of its 
>> appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
>> 
>> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
>> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
>> preferences, but where should I start? 
>> 
>> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back to 
>> the RBW Owners Bunch. 
>> 
>> Isaac
>> 
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