Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel Stern]

I had 2 Roads, not sure which, first was ‘97 second was ‘99.  They were
both great bikes but like a fool I wanted a total custom.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:30 PM Fullylugged 
wrote:

> Actually, there was the original Road, with a level top tube and the
> slightly later Road Standard, with a sloping top tube. Also, the drop outs
> came from different suppliers.
>
> Bruce (1995 Road)
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:02:20 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs
>> started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it
>> would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA frames?
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The Atlantis started in Japan, too. Bleriot was the first Taiwan model,
>>> then some time after that the costs got so high for the Toyo frames that it
>>> made more sense to have those done in USA at Waterford. There are two model
>>> names that have existed on Toyo, Waterford and MIT frames: Atlantis and
>>> Homer.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:27:52 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Steve.

 On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar 
 wrote:

> Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US
> made.
> On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
>
> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were
> USA made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was
> for the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not
> made in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>
> You're wrong about that.
>
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Fullylugged]

Actually, there was the original Road, with a level top tube and the 
slightly later Road Standard, with a sloping top tube. Also, the drop outs 
came from different suppliers.

Bruce (1995 Road)

On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:02:20 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs 
> started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it 
> would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA frames? 
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The Atlantis started in Japan, too. Bleriot was the first Taiwan model, 
>> then some time after that the costs got so high for the Toyo frames that it 
>> made more sense to have those done in USA at Waterford. There are two model 
>> names that have existed on Toyo, Waterford and MIT frames: Atlantis and 
>> Homer. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:27:52 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Steve. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US 
 made.
 On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:

 I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA 
 made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for 
 the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not 
 made 
 in USA was the MIT Bleriot.

 You're wrong about that.  


 Steve Palincsar
 Alexandria, Virginia 
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel Stern]

That’s what I was trying to remember.  Thanks again Steve.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:05 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> You're missing the LongLow, which was also Waterford-made.
> On 10/31/20 1:02 PM, Joel S wrote:
>
> So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs
> started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it
> would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA frames? --
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Steve Palincsar]

You're missing the LongLow, which was also Waterford-made.

On 10/31/20 1:02 PM, Joel S wrote:
So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course 
customs started as imports even if at some point they came back to 
Waterford it would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA 
frames? -- 


Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel S]

So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs 
started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it 
would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA frames? 

On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The Atlantis started in Japan, too. Bleriot was the first Taiwan model, 
> then some time after that the costs got so high for the Toyo frames that it 
> made more sense to have those done in USA at Waterford. There are two model 
> names that have existed on Toyo, Waterford and MIT frames: Atlantis and 
> Homer. 
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:27:52 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve. 
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>
>>> Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US 
>>> made.
>>> On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA 
>>> made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for 
>>> the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not made 
>>> in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>>>
>>> You're wrong about that.  
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Palincsar
>>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>>> USA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joe Bernard]

The Atlantis started in Japan, too. Bleriot was the first Taiwan model, 
then some time after that the costs got so high for the Toyo frames that it 
made more sense to have those done in USA at Waterford. There are two model 
names that have existed on Toyo, Waterford and MIT frames: Atlantis and 
Homer. 

On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:27:52 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Steve. 
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>> Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US 
>> made.
>> On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
>>
>> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA 
>> made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for 
>> the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not made 
>> in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>>
>> You're wrong about that.  
>>
>>
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Steve.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US
> made.
> On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
>
> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA
> made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for
> the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not made
> in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>
> You're wrong about that.
>
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Steve Palincsar]

Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US made.

On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were 
USA made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this 
was for the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the 
first not made in USA was the MIT Bleriot.


You're wrong about that.


Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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