Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
Chester - I'll give it a go and see. I'm going to be moving in early spring and will probably wait until then to start commuting on the Riv. I will have more garage space to tear it down, lube everything well, soak it in frame saver, and put it back together. I think I'll keep on with the Surly until then. The chain idea is a good one. I could maybe just leave a chain and mini-U lock at work and bring another U with me. On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:05:36 PM UTC-5 Chester wrote: > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:07:11 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote: > > > Timothy - What’s your dream bike? We wanna see… > > As for your locking method, same. I think it’s kind of the only good way > to do it. Lock through the fame/back wheel, then cable through the front > wheel. I guess a second U-lock for the front wheel/frame is always safer > but starts to get heavy. I’m heavy enough without 2 U-locks strapped to me. > > > If the hospital you work at has an area to lock up the bikes that is > pretty well trafficked and someone going at a U-lock with an angle grinder > is not typically going to be ignored, then I would worry about security a > lot less. Especially if in view of staff who are usually around. Even more > so if you lock up with two locks. Good idea to leave one at work and carry > one with you. Even better if one is a high security chain so that they're > two different styles. > > And especially if you ugly it up. I wouldn't festoon it with stickers, but > you could wrap up sections with old inner tubes and/or mismatched cloth > tape that you get a little grimy to make it look more like it might be > someone's random, old mass-produced steel beater. > > I don't think thieves are going to target something like a Rivendell so > much. A bike that needs to be recognized by someone who knows what it is to > get what it's worth, but which also is more noteworthy and attracts more > detailed attention. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it and there might be > plenty of thieves very happy to sell off a Riv. But, in any case, I > wouldn't be surprised at all if your Surly would be as tempting a target > than your Rivs, maybe even more. > > Chester > SF Bay Area > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4709abe5-502a-4cd8-a2bf-3bb58c063ea1n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:07:11 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote: Timothy - What’s your dream bike? We wanna see… As for your locking method, same. I think it’s kind of the only good way to do it. Lock through the fame/back wheel, then cable through the front wheel. I guess a second U-lock for the front wheel/frame is always safer but starts to get heavy. I’m heavy enough without 2 U-locks strapped to me. If the hospital you work at has an area to lock up the bikes that is pretty well trafficked and someone going at a U-lock with an angle grinder is not typically going to be ignored, then I would worry about security a lot less. Especially if in view of staff who are usually around. Even more so if you lock up with two locks. Good idea to leave one at work and carry one with you. Even better if one is a high security chain so that they're two different styles. And especially if you ugly it up. I wouldn't festoon it with stickers, but you could wrap up sections with old inner tubes and/or mismatched cloth tape that you get a little grimy to make it look more like it might be someone's random, old mass-produced steel beater. I don't think thieves are going to target something like a Rivendell so much. A bike that needs to be recognized by someone who knows what it is to get what it's worth, but which also is more noteworthy and attracts more detailed attention. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it and there might be plenty of thieves very happy to sell off a Riv. But, in any case, I wouldn't be surprised at all if your Surly would be as tempting a target than your Rivs, maybe even more. Chester SF Bay Area -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9808acf3-a706-4903-afe6-654d24ae542cn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
My X0-1 and Peugeot PX10 did just that.when I was still working...and with less than ideal security it was a no-brainer On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 1:50:08 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote: > I meant to stress that with a bit of looking one might very well find a > beater that gives 9/10 (metaphor, not measurement) of what your "nice" bike > gives in terms of ride, fit, feel, pleasure. > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:07 AM Josh C wrote: > >> ... Patrick - I started commuting on an old surly LHT that was worn >> enough that most of the decals had been scuffed off. It did the job, and I >> still have it, but I don’t really love that bike. It’s about as “beater” as >> I’d go personally. I want to enjoy running errands and commuting on bike, >> that’s the whole point for me. I believe that I’m on a 2” tire currently. >> The Atlantis has 700x50 gravel kings on it which I’d probably leave be. I >> too would like to see folk’s beaters and commuters. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/caa56007-f56d-4bc0-b3d9-cd35c145332fn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
I meant to stress that with a bit of looking one might very well find a beater that gives 9/10 (metaphor, not measurement) of what your "nice" bike gives in terms of ride, fit, feel, pleasure. On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:07 AM Josh C wrote: > ... Patrick - I started commuting on an old surly LHT that was worn > enough that most of the decals had been scuffed off. It did the job, and I > still have it, but I don’t really love that bike. It’s about as “beater” as > I’d go personally. I want to enjoy running errands and commuting on bike, > that’s the whole point for me. I believe that I’m on a 2” tire currently. > The Atlantis has 700x50 gravel kings on it which I’d probably leave be. I > too would like to see folk’s beaters and commuters. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgv%2BqQQM7z_7UvtON_-TzaopfXEJ4wRByLQQ%3DjeJL22bPw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
Actually, there is one more "beater" that I might like to have back: my first Rivendell custom road bike, a 1995 Waterford-built 26" wheel bike that I later converted to a fixed gear drivetrain (ENO hub, Dremel, file, paint). Customs 2 and 3 were so much better in design -- slightly shallower head, longer chainstays, sloping tts and extended head tubes -- that I felt little regret in chopping up #1; OTOH, it did make a very nice beater fixed gear commuter. On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:30 AM Patrick Moore wrote: > ... I'll start: There are 2 beaters that I owned long ago that I almost > wish I'd kept: the first-gen Raleigh Technium which didn't feel so much > spritely as cushy with noodle frame (tho' heavy) and -- for the era, early > '00s -- fat soft 32 cm tires. Then the Motobecane that I think Eric Norris > still has. Both built a fixed gear commuters with scavenged but decent > parts -- I think now I'd invest in better tires; even a stolen RH tire is > "only" $100; but Tourney centerpulls and Normandy hubs work as well when > you are not looking at them as Dura Ace, for commuting at least. I did some > of my cross-town commuting PBs on the Motobecane. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtb8sWg%2BEv-0JweexV8dV1X74XApsJoZog-cBRrvFbHJA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
Somewhat related, I drove my car to work 1 day in November because it was wet and I didn’t wanna be wet, and someone hit my car in the parking lot. I mean hit it hard. Naturally, they just drove off. It’ll need a new front passenger side fender and the bumper repainted. Figures. I'm guessing it's about a new Riv worth of damage. Just dropped it at the shop today. On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 1:07:11 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote: > George - That does look unlikely to be stolen but not sure I can get aero > enough on the can… > > > Jason - I like the idea of saving more money and getting more out of what > I have. I’m glad that I didn’t buy a new Clem just to keep my other bikes > in the garage. > > > Roberta - I’m not sure that I’m “willing” to lose any bike, to be honest, > but the Atlantis is replaceable. Like that you’re using the Platy as your > daily. I too carry the NY kryptonite lock, but only use one. One through > the rear wheel/frame with a cable through the front wheel. I’m thinking > that I could also just leave a second at work, locked to the rack, and use > it as a second U without having to schlep it back and forth. I should look > into the pitlocks or the like. I know they exist but have never really > considered them for some reason. > > > Timothy - What’s your dream bike? We wanna see… > > As for your locking method, same. I think it’s kind of the only good way > to do it. Lock through the fame/back wheel, then cable through the front > wheel. I guess a second U-lock for the front wheel/frame is always safer > but starts to get heavy. I’m heavy enough without 2 U-locks strapped to me. > > > Patrick - I started commuting on an old surly LHT that was worn enough > that most of the decals had been scuffed off. It did the job, and I still > have it, but I don’t really love that bike. It’s about as “beater” as I’d > go personally. I want to enjoy running errands and commuting on bike, > that’s the whole point for me. I believe that I’m on a 2” tire currently. > The Atlantis has 700x50 gravel kings on it which I’d probably leave be. I > too would like to see folk’s beaters and commuters. > > > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: > >> Despite my advice above about "ride whatcha got and lock it well", I do >> actually have a lock-up bike, though it happened organically. I've had >> this old Twenty since about 2008, and it was upgraded over time. Drum >> brakes, "GT365" Marathons for all-weather, 5 speed, dynamo. It's a solid >> little bike (and weight to match) and I'm very comfortable locking it up as >> it still looks very unassuming >> >> On Monday 11 December 2023 at 09:33:26 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> I'd been using 559 X 22s or 571 X 22s on my Riv customs, even for >>> commuting; now 26 X 1" Specialized Turbos were surprisingly comfortable at >>> 80/90 -- very nice tires; *fast!* -- but by comparison 32s (Vittorias) >>> were like beach tires. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:30 AM Patrick Moore >>> wrote: >>> ... fat soft 32 cm tires. >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/62a73912-c41b-4b59-9dfc-4b2a19f2e24fn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
George - That does look unlikely to be stolen but not sure I can get aero enough on the can… Jason - I like the idea of saving more money and getting more out of what I have. I’m glad that I didn’t buy a new Clem just to keep my other bikes in the garage. Roberta - I’m not sure that I’m “willing” to lose any bike, to be honest, but the Atlantis is replaceable. Like that you’re using the Platy as your daily. I too carry the NY kryptonite lock, but only use one. One through the rear wheel/frame with a cable through the front wheel. I’m thinking that I could also just leave a second at work, locked to the rack, and use it as a second U without having to schlep it back and forth. I should look into the pitlocks or the like. I know they exist but have never really considered them for some reason. Timothy - What’s your dream bike? We wanna see… As for your locking method, same. I think it’s kind of the only good way to do it. Lock through the fame/back wheel, then cable through the front wheel. I guess a second U-lock for the front wheel/frame is always safer but starts to get heavy. I’m heavy enough without 2 U-locks strapped to me. Patrick - I started commuting on an old surly LHT that was worn enough that most of the decals had been scuffed off. It did the job, and I still have it, but I don’t really love that bike. It’s about as “beater” as I’d go personally. I want to enjoy running errands and commuting on bike, that’s the whole point for me. I believe that I’m on a 2” tire currently. The Atlantis has 700x50 gravel kings on it which I’d probably leave be. I too would like to see folk’s beaters and commuters. On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: > Despite my advice above about "ride whatcha got and lock it well", I do > actually have a lock-up bike, though it happened organically. I've had > this old Twenty since about 2008, and it was upgraded over time. Drum > brakes, "GT365" Marathons for all-weather, 5 speed, dynamo. It's a solid > little bike (and weight to match) and I'm very comfortable locking it up as > it still looks very unassuming > > On Monday 11 December 2023 at 09:33:26 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> I'd been using 559 X 22s or 571 X 22s on my Riv customs, even for >> commuting; now 26 X 1" Specialized Turbos were surprisingly comfortable at >> 80/90 -- very nice tires; *fast!* -- but by comparison 32s (Vittorias) >> were like beach tires. >> >> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:30 AM Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> ... fat soft 32 cm tires. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/065e3fbb-0e1e-4581-8a4f-429972480f62n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
I'd been using 559 X 22s or 571 X 22s on my Riv customs, even for commuting; now 26 X 1" Specialized Turbos were surprisingly comfortable at 80/90 -- very nice tires; *fast!* -- but by comparison 32s (Vittorias) were like beach tires. On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:30 AM Patrick Moore wrote: > ... fat soft 32 cm tires. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfguHgpAqUsr7op-%2BYDYALEim-JZiBD%2Bb2Bo53n-N64NbSQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma
It's interesting to read of others' solutions. I confess that mine had I to leave my bike locked all day in sketchy areas would be to use a beater, but a *nice* beater, and this could turn into a "nice beater" thread! I'll start: There are 2 beaters that I owned long ago that I almost wish I'd kept: the first-gen Raleigh Technium which didn't feel so much spritely as cushy with noodle frame (tho' heavy) and -- for the era, early '00s -- fat soft 32 cm tires. Then the Motobecane that I think Eric Norris still has. Both built a fixed gear commuters with scavenged but decent parts -- I think now I'd invest in better tires; even a stolen RH tire is "only" $100; but Tourney centerpulls and Normandy hubs work as well when you are not looking at them as Dura Ace, for commuting at least. I did some of my cross-town commuting PBs on the Motobecane. Actually, various top-model early '90s mtbs converted to drops would also make excellent commuters with fat tires for dirt routes. On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:36 AM Tim Donner wrote: > After building up a dream bike, the bike shop reminded me- "It's a tool, > not a jewel". > “don't ride anything that you're not WILLING to lose.”— iamkeith > >> >> I live in city (Philadelphia) with bike theft issue. I’ve decided on a >> commute/lockup bike that I can replace while loving the ride. >> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote: >> > > I've been leaving my Cheviot locked up with a single Kryptonite mini >>> U-lock around the frame in NYC for the past few month since I started >>> working there again >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgv_WghEq%3DMZ-m9CBiKR6xJ2m7EQ7%3DMuCMXCi0HiHQ9oEg%40mail.gmail.com.
