Re: [RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[sam . perez . 2002]

Any one pair this upper range (42 or 46) with a triple and long cage rd  with 
an extender?

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> On Jan 17, 2022, at 1:22 PM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> I would not want something like this, the larger 24-30-36-42 - all 6 teeth 
> apart. I think the last gear should be your bail-out gear, the others should 
> be closer together,  Who really needs two or three gears in the 20's or 30's, 
> if you are not racing uphill? That is why I like the 7 speed freewheel that 
> Rivendell sells - 14-16-18-20-22-24-34, 5 gaps of 2 and 1 gap of 10. If you 
> only have seven gears, let 6 of them be useful most of the time, instead of 3 
> or 4. With my 44 tooth chainwheel, I have 6 gears from 50 to 85, and a 35 for 
> bail-out. Of course, I do live in Florida. If I lived in a more mountainous 
> area, just reduce the chainring - I coast down hill.
> 
> Laing
> Who has 1x1, 1x2, 1x3, 1x7, 1x8, 1x11, 2x2, 2x5, 2x6, 2x9, 2x11, 3x5, 3x6, 
> 3x7, and 3x9 bikes and mostly rides 1x1 and 1x7.
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:38:14 PM UTC-5 Scott G. wrote:
>> Soma Fab aka Merry Sales has a S-Ride 11-42 8 Speed, 
>> 11-13-16-20-24-30-36-42t
>> 
>> So drop the 11t for 7s, voila 13-42, the 42 cog is alloy.
>> 
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590844-s-ride-cassette-8sp-11-42t-cs-m200-5798?category=736
>> 
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:31:07 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>> I run a 7 speed with a 3x front on my old touring bike (deerhead front DR). 
>>> It's a great bike and I love that I can go fast with a 48, truck along with 
>>> a 39, or spin endlessly with a 28 all with barcons easily accessible. WIder 
>>> span would be really nice, but 32-34 rear cog is suitable.  I also really 
>>> like my 40/26 on my camping bike (romanceur) Ran it w/o a front derailer 
>>> for a few years and would kick shift it with my foot to downshift in 
>>> emergency bail outs and use a stick to pop the chain back on. Essentially a 
>>> 1X. it was OK. Eventually i found a suitable old campy fr DR. 1x with huge 
>>> rear cogs looks tErRrible in my opinion and ruin the flow of the bike, 
>>> especially on traditional diamond frames. I am currently working with a 
>>> frame builder to build me a singer style suicide lever/shifter. 
>>> 
 On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
 I still run 7 speed freewheels on two of my Rivendells . Like the 7 speed 
 cassettes, it allows almost zero dish on a 135mm hub. Hopefully, the 7 
 speed cassettes will be individual sprockets and not all riveted together 
 on common carriers so that one can customize their own gearing. I really 
 like the new 14-34 Shimano freewheel that Riv sells for only $18!!! (when 
 in stock.) I am getting ready to put an NOS 12-34 Suntour New Winner (was 
 somewhat more than $18) on the Bombadil with Ultegra 8 speed shifters on 
 Rivendell thumb shifter mounts so I can hopefully index my Altus.
 
 Laing
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:06:24 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
> Ray, I'm another one of the few anticipating the arrival of the 7 speed 
> cassette. I'm a long time user of 7 and 8 speed cogs so I'll also be a 
> buyer.
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> 
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
>> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
>> bike gear.
>> I will definitely get a couple. 
>> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
>> Thank you once again Grant. 
>> 
>> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Steven Sweedler]

I started a tour yesterday using a 7 speed cassette (13-34 IRD) with a
46-32-20 triple crank, about a 15” low gear. Three long climbs today but
not steep, used all my gears with the two larger chainrings. Most of the
climbs around my house in central New Hampshire I would have to walk
without  that small ring, and thats  on an unloaded bike. Carrying the
approx. 30 lbs that I have with me would make it that much more
challenging.
Steve

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 3:25 PM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> I love my 1x's, mostly with 9 speed cassettes but, I think, one 8 and one
> 7 speed freewheel.  My favorite is a 42 up front with a 12-32 or 34 in
> back.  I can go almost anywhere but, sometimes, I might feel a little more
> energetic, or have a tail wind and other times I might be feeling less
> energetic or have a headwind or that really steep hill.  No problem, as a
> SRAM marketer once said, I can completely change the character of my bike
> by changing the chainring but instead of having to get out a wrench and
> muck up my hands, I throw a lever one way or the other instantly
> "completely changing the character" of my bike.  No fuss no muss.
>
> I think my favorite setup is 45/42/24 up front and, I think, a 12-32
> (maybe it is 12-34?)9 speed cassette all in friction.  I get a wide range
> with steps tighter than a corncob with virtually no overlap.  It is a
> veritable CVT.  Finding odd tooth count chainrings in the 40's is the
> biggest problem.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 7:51:58 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm with Joe. The simplicity of a 1x setup just works so well for me. No
>> FD to mess with and less gears to overthink about. I don't see myself going
>> back to a 2x or 3x setup.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:09:01 PM UTC-5 kwi...@weimar.edu
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Best gear combination for me (Sierra mountain region) is a 46x30 on the
>>> front and a 13-34 or 36 7 speed on the back.  I get the 7 speed cassette by
>>> taking apart a 10 speed cassette and putting just 7 cogs on the hub (my
>>> rear hub is 120mm).  It works great with friction, and with the 120mm hub,
>>> I get a very quiet ride and a strong wheel.  My only gripe is that I am
>>> stuck with using the 11 tooth small cog.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 4:16 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 This goes along with what I've always known is that we've long reached
 the point of folly with not only bike parts but pretty much every thing we
 use in our everyday living. I don't want or need a 1x geared bike as I'm
 perfectly happy with "normal" triples and even doubles like a 36/46 and not
 that silly granny/middle ring double and a micro cassette. Regardless of my
 opinion about such setups I surely support anyone that wants to ride them.
 Life thrives on variety, and it's a self-defeating blindness of
 corporations like SRAM/Shimano that try to force people into using their
 products by discontinuing perfectly good working parts. The quest for
 control is death. Corporations are doing it with electric autos now too.
 The time for relying on the big corpses has past. Now is the time for even
 the seemingly smallest of operations to resurrect or continue all these
 perfectly good working parts that aren't subject to the wavering
 instability of change-for-changes-sake.

 I'm glad Riv is offering 7 speed stuff again as it should have never
 been pushed aside in the first place.Not only is there room for everyone's
 setups, it is the only "norm" that exists.
 This distinct individuality is our Unity. It's inherent in/as our
 Being, choiceless , changeless.  We can no more fall from grace that we can
 return to it. We are pure Grace !
 On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 3:39:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I see Grant's point about triples, I just don't agree with it. My
> custom runs a 36 × 11-51 11-speed and I love not messing with two shifters
> and the chain-suck/drop issues that come with front derailers. One is
> enough! (for me)
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:24:26 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>
>> It'll be interesting to see what cog sizes the 13-42 has.  I imagine
>> the 13-34 will be the same as the old Shimano (13-15-17-20-24-28-34,
>> IIRC).  Matched up with a 24-36-48 triple it was an excellent, wide 
>> range,
>> easy shifting drive train.  I also enjoyed his discussion of triples in 
>> the
>> latest blahg.  It seems the supposed simplicity of eliminating the FD by
>> stacking more & thinner cogs in the back is really self-defeating.
>> Coupling an 11 or 12 cog cassette with a thinner chain a more sensitive 
>> RD
>> & shifter doesn't smack of simplicity.  Kudos to Rivendell for also
>> resurrecting cassettes with 14 tooth small cogs.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 a

Re: [RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Bill Schairer]

I love my 1x's, mostly with 9 speed cassettes but, I think, one 8 and one 7 
speed freewheel.  My favorite is a 42 up front with a 12-32 or 34 in back.  
I can go almost anywhere but, sometimes, I might feel a little more 
energetic, or have a tail wind and other times I might be feeling less 
energetic or have a headwind or that really steep hill.  No problem, as a 
SRAM marketer once said, I can completely change the character of my bike 
by changing the chainring but instead of having to get out a wrench and 
muck up my hands, I throw a lever one way or the other instantly 
"completely changing the character" of my bike.  No fuss no muss.

I think my favorite setup is 45/42/24 up front and, I think, a 12-32 (maybe 
it is 12-34?)9 speed cassette all in friction.  I get a wide range with 
steps tighter than a corncob with virtually no overlap.  It is a veritable 
CVT.  Finding odd tooth count chainrings in the 40's is the biggest 
problem.  

Bill S
San Diego

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 7:51:58 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm with Joe. The simplicity of a 1x setup just works so well for me. No 
> FD to mess with and less gears to overthink about. I don't see myself going 
> back to a 2x or 3x setup.
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:09:01 PM UTC-5 kwi...@weimar.edu 
> wrote:
>
>> Best gear combination for me (Sierra mountain region) is a 46x30 on the 
>> front and a 13-34 or 36 7 speed on the back.  I get the 7 speed cassette by 
>> taking apart a 10 speed cassette and putting just 7 cogs on the hub (my 
>> rear hub is 120mm).  It works great with friction, and with the 120mm hub, 
>> I get a very quiet ride and a strong wheel.  My only gripe is that I am 
>> stuck with using the 11 tooth small cog.  
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 4:16 PM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> This goes along with what I've always known is that we've long reached 
>>> the point of folly with not only bike parts but pretty much every thing we 
>>> use in our everyday living. I don't want or need a 1x geared bike as I'm 
>>> perfectly happy with "normal" triples and even doubles like a 36/46 and not 
>>> that silly granny/middle ring double and a micro cassette. Regardless of my 
>>> opinion about such setups I surely support anyone that wants to ride them. 
>>> Life thrives on variety, and it's a self-defeating blindness of 
>>> corporations like SRAM/Shimano that try to force people into using their 
>>> products by discontinuing perfectly good working parts. The quest for 
>>> control is death. Corporations are doing it with electric autos now too. 
>>> The time for relying on the big corpses has past. Now is the time for even 
>>> the seemingly smallest of operations to resurrect or continue all these 
>>> perfectly good working parts that aren't subject to the wavering 
>>> instability of change-for-changes-sake.
>>>
>>> I'm glad Riv is offering 7 speed stuff again as it should have never 
>>> been pushed aside in the first place.Not only is there room for everyone's 
>>> setups, it is the only "norm" that exists. 
>>> This distinct individuality is our Unity. It's inherent in/as our Being, 
>>> choiceless , changeless.  We can no more fall from grace that we can return 
>>> to it. We are pure Grace !
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 3:39:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I see Grant's point about triples, I just don't agree with it. My 
 custom runs a 36 × 11-51 11-speed and I love not messing with two shifters 
 and the chain-suck/drop issues that come with front derailers. One is 
 enough! (for me) 

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:24:26 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> It'll be interesting to see what cog sizes the 13-42 has.  I imagine 
> the 13-34 will be the same as the old Shimano (13-15-17-20-24-28-34, 
> IIRC).  Matched up with a 24-36-48 triple it was an excellent, wide 
> range, 
> easy shifting drive train.  I also enjoyed his discussion of triples in 
> the 
> latest blahg.  It seems the supposed simplicity of eliminating the FD by 
> stacking more & thinner cogs in the back is really self-defeating.  
> Coupling an 11 or 12 cog cassette with a thinner chain a more sensitive 
> RD 
> & shifter doesn't smack of simplicity.  Kudos to Rivendell for also 
> resurrecting cassettes with 14 tooth small cogs.  
>
> dougP
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:17:46 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> I'm also looking forward to the wide range 7 speed cassettes.  I 
>> really like the idea of a 7 speed rear hub as well as it would lower the 
>> dish of the wheel. I recall the old Phil wood 7 speed freewheel hubs 
>> were 
>> dishless (never could afford one when they were available). Not sure if 
>> that would be possible on a cassette hub. This cassette with a single 
>> ring 
>> up front would be great for around town and a double (or triple) up 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Johnny Alien]

I'm with Joe. The simplicity of a 1x setup just works so well for me. No FD 
to mess with and less gears to overthink about. I don't see myself going 
back to a 2x or 3x setup.

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:09:01 PM UTC-5 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> Best gear combination for me (Sierra mountain region) is a 46x30 on the 
> front and a 13-34 or 36 7 speed on the back.  I get the 7 speed cassette by 
> taking apart a 10 speed cassette and putting just 7 cogs on the hub (my 
> rear hub is 120mm).  It works great with friction, and with the 120mm hub, 
> I get a very quiet ride and a strong wheel.  My only gripe is that I am 
> stuck with using the 11 tooth small cog.  
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 4:16 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> This goes along with what I've always known is that we've long reached 
>> the point of folly with not only bike parts but pretty much every thing we 
>> use in our everyday living. I don't want or need a 1x geared bike as I'm 
>> perfectly happy with "normal" triples and even doubles like a 36/46 and not 
>> that silly granny/middle ring double and a micro cassette. Regardless of my 
>> opinion about such setups I surely support anyone that wants to ride them. 
>> Life thrives on variety, and it's a self-defeating blindness of 
>> corporations like SRAM/Shimano that try to force people into using their 
>> products by discontinuing perfectly good working parts. The quest for 
>> control is death. Corporations are doing it with electric autos now too. 
>> The time for relying on the big corpses has past. Now is the time for even 
>> the seemingly smallest of operations to resurrect or continue all these 
>> perfectly good working parts that aren't subject to the wavering 
>> instability of change-for-changes-sake.
>>
>> I'm glad Riv is offering 7 speed stuff again as it should have never been 
>> pushed aside in the first place.Not only is there room for everyone's 
>> setups, it is the only "norm" that exists. 
>> This distinct individuality is our Unity. It's inherent in/as our Being, 
>> choiceless , changeless.  We can no more fall from grace that we can return 
>> to it. We are pure Grace !
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 3:39:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I see Grant's point about triples, I just don't agree with it. My custom 
>>> runs a 36 × 11-51 11-speed and I love not messing with two shifters and the 
>>> chain-suck/drop issues that come with front derailers. One is enough! (for 
>>> me) 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:24:26 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>>>
 It'll be interesting to see what cog sizes the 13-42 has.  I imagine 
 the 13-34 will be the same as the old Shimano (13-15-17-20-24-28-34, 
 IIRC).  Matched up with a 24-36-48 triple it was an excellent, wide range, 
 easy shifting drive train.  I also enjoyed his discussion of triples in 
 the 
 latest blahg.  It seems the supposed simplicity of eliminating the FD by 
 stacking more & thinner cogs in the back is really self-defeating.  
 Coupling an 11 or 12 cog cassette with a thinner chain a more sensitive RD 
 & shifter doesn't smack of simplicity.  Kudos to Rivendell for also 
 resurrecting cassettes with 14 tooth small cogs.  

 dougP



 On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:17:46 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> I'm also looking forward to the wide range 7 speed cassettes.  I 
> really like the idea of a 7 speed rear hub as well as it would lower the 
> dish of the wheel. I recall the old Phil wood 7 speed freewheel hubs were 
> dishless (never could afford one when they were available). Not sure if 
> that would be possible on a cassette hub. This cassette with a single 
> ring 
> up front would be great for around town and a double (or triple) up front 
> would have a great range for touring.
> Happy to see Grant continuing to come up with new and practical bike 
> parts.
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
>> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday 
>> practical bike gear.
>> I will definitely get a couple. 
>> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
>> Thank you once again Grant. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Karl Wilcox]

Best gear combination for me (Sierra mountain region) is a 46x30 on the
front and a 13-34 or 36 7 speed on the back.  I get the 7 speed cassette by
taking apart a 10 speed cassette and putting just 7 cogs on the hub (my
rear hub is 120mm).  It works great with friction, and with the 120mm hub,
I get a very quiet ride and a strong wheel.  My only gripe is that I am
stuck with using the 11 tooth small cog.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 4:16 PM Garth  wrote:

> This goes along with what I've always known is that we've long reached the
> point of folly with not only bike parts but pretty much every thing we use
> in our everyday living. I don't want or need a 1x geared bike as I'm
> perfectly happy with "normal" triples and even doubles like a 36/46 and not
> that silly granny/middle ring double and a micro cassette. Regardless of my
> opinion about such setups I surely support anyone that wants to ride them.
> Life thrives on variety, and it's a self-defeating blindness of
> corporations like SRAM/Shimano that try to force people into using their
> products by discontinuing perfectly good working parts. The quest for
> control is death. Corporations are doing it with electric autos now too.
> The time for relying on the big corpses has past. Now is the time for even
> the seemingly smallest of operations to resurrect or continue all these
> perfectly good working parts that aren't subject to the wavering
> instability of change-for-changes-sake.
>
> I'm glad Riv is offering 7 speed stuff again as it should have never been
> pushed aside in the first place.Not only is there room for everyone's
> setups, it is the only "norm" that exists.
> This distinct individuality is our Unity. It's inherent in/as our Being,
> choiceless , changeless.  We can no more fall from grace that we can return
> to it. We are pure Grace !
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 3:39:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I see Grant's point about triples, I just don't agree with it. My custom
>> runs a 36 × 11-51 11-speed and I love not messing with two shifters and the
>> chain-suck/drop issues that come with front derailers. One is enough! (for
>> me)
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:24:26 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> It'll be interesting to see what cog sizes the 13-42 has.  I imagine the
>>> 13-34 will be the same as the old Shimano (13-15-17-20-24-28-34, IIRC).
>>> Matched up with a 24-36-48 triple it was an excellent, wide range, easy
>>> shifting drive train.  I also enjoyed his discussion of triples in the
>>> latest blahg.  It seems the supposed simplicity of eliminating the FD by
>>> stacking more & thinner cogs in the back is really self-defeating.
>>> Coupling an 11 or 12 cog cassette with a thinner chain a more sensitive RD
>>> & shifter doesn't smack of simplicity.  Kudos to Rivendell for also
>>> resurrecting cassettes with 14 tooth small cogs.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:17:46 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
 I'm also looking forward to the wide range 7 speed cassettes.  I really
 like the idea of a 7 speed rear hub as well as it would lower the dish of
 the wheel. I recall the old Phil wood 7 speed freewheel hubs were dishless
 (never could afford one when they were available). Not sure if that would
 be possible on a cassette hub. This cassette with a single ring up front
 would be great for around town and a double (or triple) up front would have
 a great range for touring.
 Happy to see Grant continuing to come up with new and practical bike
 parts.

 On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:

> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option.
> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday
> practical bike gear.
> I will definitely get a couple.
> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer.
> Thank you once again Grant.
>
> Ray
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