Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?
If it weren't for modern sealants like Stan's and Orange Seal, I'd still be riding 60 mm Big Apples on dirt and Kojaks on pavement, with tubes. I must say that, while I think Compass has among the fastest riding tires out there, Schwalbe has gone at least as far with their lineup of tires that range from as light or lighter than Compass ones to manhole-iron models that you can't puncture with hammer and nail, and, especially, in between, tires that are (1) actually usable in goathead country and (2) yet still have decent riding qualities -- in particular, the BA and the Kojak. The Big Apple would actually ride through goathead patches and come out with scores of thorns in the tread; scrape them off and Bob's your uncle. The Kojak, on pavement, resisted thorns to fewer than 5 flats a week -- remarkable compared to say the 559 X 32 non TG Pasela. (5 flats a week: I'm not exaggerating for effect; when I first installed the original "clincher tubular" Parigi Roubaix on my Ram, I got -- this is literal description -- 5 flats within less than 10 miles, all thorns; and used up -- ditto -- 50 or more patches in the first week. Stan's made them viable.) But man! For a tire that is fully as phat and plump and erotically *soft and round* as a Big Apple at 16/19, the Big One -- the no-holds-barred light model -- is a joy to behold and to ride. Four hundred and less than 50 effing grams!!! Even the "Liteskin" Big Apple weighed 800, and the regular was 90-0. And with a carcase that wears like a normal tire! When I removed the rear Furious Fred to install the Big Ones, the FF had 2904 miles on it, the little center-tread nubbins were still raised above the carcase, so that I guess 500 more trouble free miles were in it, and this tire, weighed on a mail scale, was 360 grams. Really amazing. On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:50 AM, tc wrote: > Aren't Big Apples great? I run 2"ers on my Ogre (with Jones bar and uncut > steerer tube) sometimes as something different, and I gotta tell you that > is one sweet bike. I was amazed at the difference (for the better) > compared to the stock WTB Nanos, which aren't shabbyy actually. Sometimes > I have to laugh at myself sweating over grams of tire weight, when I know > good and well I don't really notice an extra water bottles' worth of weight > in tires alone on that thing, compared to some of the light tires we all > talk about. That Ogre (aptly named) just glides silently and smoothly, > looking ugly as heck but I don't care...it's just really comfortable. > > On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 10:19:05 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> I used to regularly run my 60 mm Big Apples at 16/19 (I'm 175): >> sure, these flopped a bit on pavement turns, but I never came close to >> pinch flatting... >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?
Aren't Big Apples great? I run 2"ers on my Ogre (with Jones bar and uncut steerer tube) sometimes as something different, and I gotta tell you that is one sweet bike. I was amazed at the difference (for the better) compared to the stock WTB Nanos, which aren't shabbyy actually. Sometimes I have to laugh at myself sweating over grams of tire weight, when I know good and well I don't really notice an extra water bottles' worth of weight in tires alone on that thing, compared to some of the light tires we all talk about. That Ogre (aptly named) just glides silently and smoothly, looking ugly as heck but I don't care...it's just really comfortable. On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 10:19:05 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I used to regularly run my 60 mm Big Apples at 16/19 (I'm 175): sure, > these flopped a bit on pavement turns, but I never came close to pinch > flatting... > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?
Whether you get inch flats in my experience is almost, if not entirely, as much a matter of how you ride than what your pressure is. I rode 22 mm actual tires, quite supple -- these were the old Specialized 26 X "` Turbos, very nice except for width -- at 80/90 for years with rear loads up to 35 lb across rough pavement with no problems except breaking the occasional Revolution rear spoke (I fixed that by having the wheel rebuilt with 14/15s). I let my front tire pressure on 60 mm tires drop to as low as 12 psi and never came close to pinch flatting. Two other observations: I've noticed what others have reported: stiffer, heavier tires can get by with lower pressures than supple, light ones, so that some of the advantage of a supple tire, at least 50+ mm wide ones, and when run off pavement, is lost because you have to pump them harder. I used to regularly run my 60 mm Big Apples at 16/19 (I'm 175): sure, these flopped a bit on pavement turns, but I never came close to pinch flatting. With my new Big Ones, at ~15 front, I thought I'd fall off the bike when I made my first pavement turn, so great was the flop, and I quickly increased pressure to that I used in the 1 cm narrower F Freds, 23 (25-6 rear) -- which makes them less cushiony on dirt than the Big Apples. (Note: I used tubes in the BAs; the BOs are tubeless, so the absence of tubes may increase the required minimum pressure slightly; I don't know.) But the Big Ones are worth it despite no added cushioning because they seem to roll almost as fast on pavement as good road tires; at any rate, they're faster than the already fast F Freds on pavement. And: as far as avoiding pressures that allow wheel flop in turns: I have concluded that there is no perfect all round pressure for, at least, (a) supple tires that are (b) fat and (c) ridden on pavement and on dirt: you will either have some front wheel flop, or your pressure will be less than ideal for soft dirt. But you won't get pinch flats if you are careful on any except perhaps the most bumpy terrain. All of the above for a given rim width. Wider or narrower rims affect performance, obviously, which leads to the last observation: wider rims for a given tire, at least for 50 and 60 mm wide tires of given suppleness, reduce the tire's cushioning effect at a given pressure. I noticed that, when I swapped 24 mm wide rims to 44 mm wide ones, the 60 mm Big Apples felt harsher at the same pressures. On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Surlyprof wrote: > Tom, > > I agree with Patrick. I ride Barlow ELs at about 40# which is close to > what he’s suggesting Keven Moran, when he was at Riv, suggested I lower the > pressure and showed me his bike to prove he ran them low. I tried it on an > old mountain bike that had too narrow rims for the tires and it was scary. > Felt like my tires were about to roll off the rims. With the BPs on > Synergy rims I have worked back down to a lower pressure despite my fears. > Of course it took a while to get there and I came to it accidentally out of > laziness more than anything else. I hadn’t ridden for several weeks and > didn’t bother to do a quick once over before heading out. I freaked out a > bit when I saw that my tires were expanding out at the bottoms. But, again > being lazy, I ignored it and continued my ride. Shortly after I was just > enjoying the ride and forgot about it. The ride was the smoothest I’d > experienced. I checked the tires when I got home and they were at 40 in > the front and 35 in the rear. Been hovering around 40 ever since and have > become much more confident on gravel. No flats, pinch or otherwise, in a > year and a half. > > John > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?
IME, even the best modern sealants work best on very small punctures, where they work excellently. But for large holes say for big nails, again IME, they are worse than no sealant, at least for tubes, since they don't seal these and make a mess that prevents patching. I carry spare tubes on each of my bikes for this eventuality. But: though from thorns I used to consider 5 flats a week normal, I find that big punctures, where I live, are more like 1 every 5 years, though I don't usually ride where there are a lot of sharp rocks. On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > I forgot to mention I briefly experimented with running Orange seal in my > tubes and the fuss and mess was too much for me. I don’t have issues here > with thornes and I know how to (mostly) avoid pinch flats, so the only > flats I get are due to big gashes from glass or other detrius. So my 30-35 > psi with the Snoqualmie is tubed, as are my other psi’s for the other > Compass tires. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?
Carla: curious: why not Stan's -- or, better, Orange Seal? works perfectly for me, in tubes and without. On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carla Waugh wrote: > Barlow pass and regular not light. I have had better luck in Oklahoma with > stickers and not with Stan’s. I had the others in the light version and had > a flat right off the bat so it’s Barlow passes for now. Minus the stickers > either would have been fine. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
