Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Eric White]

I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking
around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand
the evolution of the fork and color.

I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's
been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle.


On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also
> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand
> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps
> to attach the third bottle holder?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very
>> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in
>> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant
>> fork.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it
>>> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork.
>>> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet
>>> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the
>>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did
>>> you rig yours as an add-on?
>>>
>>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet
>>> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a
>>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in
>>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it
>>> compares in geometry to the Roadini.
>>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Looking good, Gary!

 On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  wrote:

> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't
>> mind. You don't see too many in the wild!
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky
>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos.
>>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best
>>> life.
>>>
>>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you
>>> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't
>>> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged 
>>> one
>>> is pending, then it depends on price and timing. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides
 on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I 
 was
 lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the
 befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
 tires
 and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
 surprise
 midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

 anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals
 and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™
 seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike 
 doesn't
 meet their expectations, the women and other folks always say how 
 beautiful
 the Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd 
 feet
 clean while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat 
 it is
 that I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the
 roadie-culture promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

 Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your
 commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and 
 hope a
 Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add 
 to
 your hella colorful collection

 -Brent in chicago

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> This is SO fun.
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here 
> you
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly 
> hope we
> get to 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
to attach the third bottle holder?





On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
> fork.
>
> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it is 
>> in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork. But 
>> the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet with 
>> a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
>> you rig yours as an add-on?
>>
>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
>> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in 
>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it 
>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looking good, Gary!
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]

 On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't mind. 
> You don't see too many in the wild!
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
> wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best 
>> life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love 
>> it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn 
>> up, 
>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on 
>>> a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was 
>>> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
>>> tires 
>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
>>> surprise 
>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>
>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and 
>>> my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem 
>>> confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't 
>>> meet 
>>> their expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful 
>>> the 
>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet 
>>> clean 
>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is 
>>> that 
>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the 
>>> roadie-culture 
>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>
>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and 
>>> hope a 
>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add 
>>> to 
>>> your hella colorful collection
>>>
>>> -Brent in chicago
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is SO fun. 

 Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
 answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here 
 you 
 were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly 
 hope we 
 get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
 Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the 
 updated 
 model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping 
 for. 
 That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
 great 
 choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
 used 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Eric White]

San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't mind. You
don't see too many in the wild!

On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
> Entirely
> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able
> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life.
>
> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it
> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up,
> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is
> pending, then it depends on price and timing. 
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>
>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a
>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky
>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the
>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires
>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise
>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>
>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my
>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused
>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their
>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the
>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean
>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that
>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture
>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>
>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your
>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a
>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to
>> your hella colorful collection
>>
>> -Brent in chicago
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is SO fun.
>>>
>>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your
>>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you
>>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we
>>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the
>>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated
>>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for.
>>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great
>>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used
>>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Me either!

 I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!

 All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom
 currently on offer at a very reasonable price…

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:

 Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely
 irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in
 that picture says go-fast club rides to me.



 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels,
> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike,
> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>
> [image: IMG_6222]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three
> shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike
> and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also
> indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely
> in between also!
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates 
> wrote:
>
> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to
>> album .  The album
>> includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars 
>> that
>> were on it when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice.
>> He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier
>> position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With
>> drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary
>> stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Leah Peterson]

Dorothy, of COURSE I don’t know this, and thank you for stepping in and saving your RivSister. Thank you, thank you!LOn May 13, 2024, at 2:54 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:LeahJust a heads up if you find a used 700c Roadini hoping to swap parts to a new frame later, only the 2020 and later take long reach brakes. Before that the 47cm / 650b was long reach and the 700c sizes were medium reach. You might already know this.On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:53:24 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Leah- love it! When you buy used, you can pretty much break-even on the subsequent resale. It is just a matter of timing liquidity. And you could possibly transfer parts over to the new frame, if you like the set-up, and sell just the frame. Or decide that lugs aren't crucial. Many possible outcomes. Eager to see how it all plays out. Doug - love the grips. I saw that demo too but never tried it. Yours look terrific. Very striking and fun. Sarah - glad you enjoyed the pics.On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:44:07 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Valerie, I’m going to take your formula and apply it. I’m looking for the used 50 Roadini and if anyone sees one first ,will ya send it my way? And then maybe this fall I end up with the lugged and sell the TIG’d. I don’t know! It’s an adventure! I plan to be impulsive! Not money-savvy! A real handful! 朗 Join me,LeahOn Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is pending, then it depends on price and timing.  On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a rideanyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to your hella colorful collection-Brent in chicagoOn Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:This is SO fun. Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used market? So far there have been none to be found…LOn Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:Me either!I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently on offer at a very reasonable price…P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in that picture says go-fast club rides to me. On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of its purpose 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Dorothy C]

Leah
Just a heads up if you find a used 700c Roadini hoping to swap parts to a 
new frame later, only the 2020 and later take long reach brakes. Before 
that the 47cm / 650b was long reach and the 700c sizes were medium reach. 
You might already know this.

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:53:24 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Leah- love it! When you buy used, you can pretty much break-even on the 
> subsequent resale. It is just a matter of timing liquidity. And you could 
> possibly transfer parts over to the new frame, if you like the set-up, and 
> sell just the frame. Or decide that lugs aren't crucial. Many possible 
> outcomes. Eager to see how it all plays out. 
>
> Doug - love the grips. I saw that demo too but never tried it. Yours look 
> terrific. Very striking and fun. 
>
> Sarah - glad you enjoyed the pics.
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:44:07 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I’m going to take your formula and apply it. I’m looking for the 
>> used 50 Roadini and if anyone sees one first ,will ya send it my way? And 
>> then maybe this fall I end up with the lugged and sell the TIG’d. I don’t 
>> know! It’s an adventure! I plan to be impulsive! Not money-savvy! A real 
>> handful! 朗 
>>
>> Join me,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
>>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best 
>>> life. 
>>>
>>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
 road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was 
 lucky 
 to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
 befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
 and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
 surprise 
 midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

 anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
 bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem 
 confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet 
 their expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
 Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
 while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
 I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
 promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

 Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
 commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
 Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
 your hella colorful collection

 -Brent in chicago

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> This is SO fun. 
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
> we 
> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
> great 
> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
> used 
> market? So far there have been none to be found…
> L
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Me either!
>>
>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>
>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing 
>> in 
>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how differently that 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Leah- love it! When you buy used, you can pretty much break-even on the 
subsequent resale. It is just a matter of timing liquidity. And you could 
possibly transfer parts over to the new frame, if you like the set-up, and 
sell just the frame. Or decide that lugs aren't crucial. Many possible 
outcomes. Eager to see how it all plays out. 

Doug - love the grips. I saw that demo too but never tried it. Yours look 
terrific. Very striking and fun. 

Sarah - glad you enjoyed the pics.

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:44:07 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Valerie, I’m going to take your formula and apply it. I’m looking for the 
> used 50 Roadini and if anyone sees one first ,will ya send it my way? And 
> then maybe this fall I end up with the lugged and sell the TIG’d. I don’t 
> know! It’s an adventure! I plan to be impulsive! Not money-savvy! A real 
> handful! 朗 
>
> Join me,
> Leah
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
>> Entirely 
>> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
>> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
>>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
>>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>
>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
>>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
>>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
>>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>
>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
>>> your hella colorful collection
>>>
>>> -Brent in chicago
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is SO fun. 

 Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
 answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
 were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
 we 
 get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
 Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
 model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
 That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
 great 
 choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
 used 
 market? So far there have been none to be found…
 L

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Me either!
>
> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>
> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing 
> in 
> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three 
>> shown 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Jason Fuller]

Planned impulsivity, I like it. That's a very sound plan in my opinion
because you can likely score a TIG Roadini for a good price, and all the
parts would swap over to either a lugged Roadini if you love it, or a CHG
if you think you want something longer.  I know you're not trying to be,
but I think you're being very practical here!



On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 10:44 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Valerie, I’m going to take your formula and apply it. I’m looking for the
> used 50 Roadini and if anyone sees one first ,will ya send it my way? And
> then maybe this fall I end up with the lugged and sell the TIG’d. I don’t
> know! It’s an adventure! I plan to be impulsive! Not money-savvy! A real
> handful! 朗
>
> Join me,
> Leah
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
>> Entirely
>> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able
>> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life.
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it
>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up,
>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is
>> pending, then it depends on price and timing. 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a
>>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky
>>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the
>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires
>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise
>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>
>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my
>>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused
>>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their
>>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the
>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean
>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that
>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture
>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>
>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your
>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a
>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to
>>> your hella colorful collection
>>>
>>> -Brent in chicago
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is SO fun.

 Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your
 answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you
 were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we
 get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the
 Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated
 model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for.
 That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great
 choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used
 market? So far there have been none to be found…
 L

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Me either!
>
> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>
> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom
> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely
> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in
> that picture says go-fast club rides to me.
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels,
>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike,
>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three
>> shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike
>> and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also
>> indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Valerie, I’m going to take your formula and apply it. I’m looking for the 
used 50 Roadini and if anyone sees one first ,will ya send it my way? And 
then maybe this fall I end up with the lugged and sell the TIG’d. I don’t 
know! It’s an adventure! I plan to be impulsive! Not money-savvy! A real 
handful! 朗 

Join me,
Leah

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
> Entirely 
> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 
>
> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>
>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>
>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>
>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
>> your hella colorful collection
>>
>> -Brent in chicago
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is SO fun. 
>>>
>>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
>>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
>>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
>>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
>>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
>>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
>>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
>>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
>>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Me either!

 I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!

 All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
 currently on offer at a very reasonable price…

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:

 Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
 irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
 that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 



 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>
> [image: IMG_6222]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three 
> shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike 
> and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also 
> indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely 
> in between also! 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  
> wrote:
>
> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to 
>> album .  The album 
>> includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars 
>> that 
>> were on it when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. 
>> He chose a smaller frame with a 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

Oh wow Valerie! These photos were a treat to wake up to on mother's day, 
thanks for sharing!

Slowly we are all getting more information on what this mysterious CHG bike 
is and I'm glad this thread is here for it.

Sarah

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:45:40 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Doug - nice looking bike! Sharp and sleek. I love albatross bars. Can we 
> see a close up of your grips? Have you posted about them previously? They 
> look great.
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This is a fun thread to follow. Valerie your stable of bikes is so nice! 
>> And, I enjoy reading your posts as it's obvious you have so much knowledge 
>> to offer. Keep it coming. I just recently bought a Roadini after selling my 
>> beloved Clem Smith Jr. I wanted a bicycle more suited for road riding and 
>> the Roadini has proven to be just that. I did set it up with Albatross bars 
>> for a more upright position. I don't ride in groups so can't say with 
>> experience that the Roadini is suited for that endeavor. But, I would say 
>> that it is without much reservation.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0998.JPEG]
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
>>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best 
>>> life. 
>>>
>>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
 road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was 
 lucky 
 to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
 befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
 and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
 surprise 
 midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

 anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
 bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem 
 confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet 
 their expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
 Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
 while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
 I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
 promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

 Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
 commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
 Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
 your hella colorful collection

 -Brent in chicago

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> This is SO fun. 
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
> we 
> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
> great 
> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
> used 
> market? So far there have been none to be found…
> L
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Me either!
>>
>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>
>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing 
>> in 
>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Doug - nice looking bike! Sharp and sleek. I love albatross bars. Can we 
see a close up of your grips? Have you posted about them previously? They 
look great.

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> This is a fun thread to follow. Valerie your stable of bikes is so nice! 
> And, I enjoy reading your posts as it's obvious you have so much knowledge 
> to offer. Keep it coming. I just recently bought a Roadini after selling my 
> beloved Clem Smith Jr. I wanted a bicycle more suited for road riding and 
> the Roadini has proven to be just that. I did set it up with Albatross bars 
> for a more upright position. I don't ride in groups so can't say with 
> experience that the Roadini is suited for that endeavor. But, I would say 
> that it is without much reservation.
>
> [image: IMG_0998.JPEG]
> Doug
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
>> Entirely 
>> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
>> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
>>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
>>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>
>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
>>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
>>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
>>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>
>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
>>> your hella colorful collection
>>>
>>> -Brent in chicago
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is SO fun. 

 Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
 answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
 were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
 we 
 get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
 Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
 model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
 That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
 great 
 choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
 used 
 market? So far there have been none to be found…
 L

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Me either!
>
> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>
> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing 
> in 
> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three 
>> shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
Entirely 
comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 

Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
pending, then it depends on price and timing.  


On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>
> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>
> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
> your hella colorful collection
>
> -Brent in chicago
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> This is SO fun. 
>>
>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>> L
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Me either!
>>>
>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>>
>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
 compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
 without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:

 [image: IMG_6222]


 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 

 Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three 
 shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike 
 and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also 
 indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely 
 in between also! 

 On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  
 wrote:

 I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to 
> album .  The album 
> includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars 
> that 
> were on it when it arrived.
>
> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. 
> He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier 
> position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With 
> drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary 
> stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to 
> raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a 
> weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with 
> bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and 
> pump, is 34 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Brent Knepper]

I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
your hella colorful collection

-Brent in chicago

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> This is SO fun. 
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
> market? So far there have been none to be found…
> L
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Me either!
>>
>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>
>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently 
>> on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
>>> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
>>> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
>>> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
>>> also! 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
 .  The album includes a 
 poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on 
 it 
 when it arrived.

 Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. 
 He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier 
 position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With 
 drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary 
 stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to 
 raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a 
 weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with 
 bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and 
 pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and 
 and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those 
 accessories. 

 Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
 measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
 the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
 extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 

>>> 




 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Chiming in to say that this particular 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Brent Knepper]

I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
your hella colorful collection

-Brent in chicago

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> This is SO fun. 
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
> market? So far there have been none to be found…
> L
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Me either!
>>
>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>
>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently 
>> on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
>>> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
>>> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
>>> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
>>> also! 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
 .  The album includes a 
 poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on 
 it 
 when it arrived.

 Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. 
 He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier 
 position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With 
 drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary 
 stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to 
 raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a 
 weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with 
 bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and 
 pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and 
 and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those 
 accessories. 

 Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
 measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
 the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
 extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 

>>> 




 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Chiming in to say that this particular 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This is SO fun. 

Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your answers. 
Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you were, all 
this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we get to 
hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the Roadini. I 
think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated model, too) 
and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. That Roadeo 
looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great choice. 
Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used market? 
So far there have been none to be found…
L

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Me either!
>
> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>
> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently 
> on offer at a very reasonable price…
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
>> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
>> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
>> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
>> also! 
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>>> .  The album includes a 
>>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>>> when it arrived.
>>>
>>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>>
>>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>>>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
 time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
 causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
 sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
 sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
 thoughts.
 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
> tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>
> Sarah
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
>> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
>> what 
>> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
>> has 
>> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
>> me 
>> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
>> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
>> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
>> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
>> info. 
>> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[P W]

Me either!I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently on offer at a very reasonable price…P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in that picture says go-fast club rides to me. On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between also! On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album.  The album includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it when it arrived.Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those accessories. Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. SarahOn Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the twoOn Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But it’s pretty.I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. When it all boils down, it’s this:I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell offers 2 (not 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely irrelevant 
to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in that 
picture says go-fast club rides to me. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>
> [image: IMG_6222]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
> also! 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>> .  The album includes a 
>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>> when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>
>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>>
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
>>> time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
>>> causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
>>> sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
>>> sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
>>> thoughts.
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
 tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 

 Sarah

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
> what 
> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
> has 
> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
> me 
> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
> info. 
> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
> fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
> for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>
> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
> larger 
> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess 
> thats 
> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be 
> packed 
> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>
> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
> the two
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! 
>> But it’s pretty.
>>
>> I look 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Jason - Thanks! ! I love them all. It does feel to me like Grant applied 
some of his hillibike design ideas to a frame that is less stout and more 
flexy for added liveliness and fun on paved rides. I have yet to test them 
but I am fairly confident I can ride and climb faster on the Roadeo. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
> also! 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>> .  The album includes a 
>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>> when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>
>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>> [image: Bike Collage.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
>>> time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
>>> causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
>>> sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
>>> sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
>>> thoughts.
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
 tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 

 Sarah

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
> what 
> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
> has 
> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
> me 
> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
> info. 
> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
> fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
> for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>
> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
> larger 
> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess 
> thats 
> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be 
> packed 
> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>
> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
> the two
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! 
>> But it’s pretty.
>>
>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in 
>> your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>
>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>> I’m looking 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Jason -- I  have choco-moose on my CHG and I agree it is a great choice. I 
plan to add back the bar tape ahead of the levers and across the front 
(which it used to have). 

Leah is the one looking for a club ride bike.  I think the CHG is a great 
choice for someone who has had the drop-bar experience and wants something 
different or someone who just wants a fun pavement-oriented bike. For 
someone curious about riding a racy drop-bar bike in go -fast rides with 
their club friends, I am not sure that the Charlie will scratch that itch. 
To my mind, Roadini is the obvious choice for that kind of ride.  I will be 
very curious to see how this all turns out.  

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 12:59:07 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Valerie made a good point that drop bars are going to feel quite different 
> set up the way the typical club rider has versus how you could set up a Riv 
> roadie - chances are, you'll want to the bars up higher, though you may 
> find yourself lowering them if you get more serious about speed. I love 
> quill stems for making this such an easy thing to do! 
>
> And to your clarification question earlier, yes, from the geometry and 
> Grant's comments I've seen to date I'd say the Roadini is primarily a drop 
> bar bike while the CHG is primarily a swept bar bike, and while each can 
> handle the other bar type, I think you'd ultimately find it's not optimal. 
> I know that drops are the popular vote in this thread but I do think a CHG 
> set up with the Choco bar and a long stem, with bar tape ahead of the 
> levers for a more aero hand position, and bars set fairly low (just a 
> smidge above saddle height, give or take) would be a great club ride bike, 
> plenty different than your other bikes, yet more familiar feeling than 
> going to drop bars.  
>
>
>
> On Friday 10 May 2024 at 07:15:30 UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time 
>> for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing 
>> me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and 
>> ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post 
>> what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
>>> tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
 bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what 
 that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
 has 
 said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
 me 
 that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
 the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
 things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
 geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. 
 Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
 fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
 for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.

 Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
 to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
 that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
 larger 
 Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
 comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
 not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
 the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be 
 packed 
 with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.

 Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
 the two
 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! 
> But it’s pretty.
>
> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>
> When it all boils down, it’s this:
> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. 
> Rivendell 
> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product 
> description 
> when the time 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Jason Fuller]

Valerie made a good point that drop bars are going to feel quite different 
set up the way the typical club rider has versus how you could set up a Riv 
roadie - chances are, you'll want to the bars up higher, though you may 
find yourself lowering them if you get more serious about speed. I love 
quill stems for making this such an easy thing to do! 

And to your clarification question earlier, yes, from the geometry and 
Grant's comments I've seen to date I'd say the Roadini is primarily a drop 
bar bike while the CHG is primarily a swept bar bike, and while each can 
handle the other bar type, I think you'd ultimately find it's not optimal. 
I know that drops are the popular vote in this thread but I do think a CHG 
set up with the Choco bar and a long stem, with bar tape ahead of the 
levers for a more aero hand position, and bars set fairly low (just a 
smidge above saddle height, give or take) would be a great club ride bike, 
plenty different than your other bikes, yet more familiar feeling than 
going to drop bars.  



On Friday 10 May 2024 at 07:15:30 UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time 
> for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing 
> me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and 
> ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post 
> what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  
>> Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
>>> and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
>>> equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
>>> that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
>>> the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
>>> wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
>>> well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
>>> pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
>>> the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
>>> still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
>>> alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>>>
>>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
>>> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
>>> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
>>> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
>>> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
>>> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
>>> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
>>> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>>>
>>> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
>>> the two
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
 it’s pretty.

 I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
 neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 

 When it all boils down, it’s this:
 I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
 Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. 
 Rivendell 
 offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
 lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
 better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product 
 description 
 when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
 and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 

 Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep 
 it coming!
 L

 On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:

 You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the 
 tire clearance is actually massive!”


 

 For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source 
 of inspiration than Will’s:

 


 See also:


 <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
  
 Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating 
 @rivbike" 
 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Diana H]

Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time 
for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing 
me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and 
ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post 
what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  
> Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>
> Sarah
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
>> and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
>> equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
>> that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
>> the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
>> wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
>> well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
>> pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
>> the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
>> still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
>> alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>>
>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to 
>> fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that 
>> way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
>> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
>> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
>> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
>> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
>> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>>
>> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the 
>> two
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
>>> it’s pretty.
>>>
>>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
>>> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>>
>>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
>>> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell 
>>> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
>>> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
>>> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description 
>>> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
>>> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>>>
>>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep 
>>> it coming!
>>> L
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire 
>>> clearance is actually massive!”
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source 
>>> of inspiration than Will’s:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> See also:
>>>
>>>
>>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>>>  
>>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike" 
>>> 
>>> Watch and share reels with friends 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
>>> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  
Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 

Sarah

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
> and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
> equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
> that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
> the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
> wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
> well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
> pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
> the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
> still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
> alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>
> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to 
> fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that 
> way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>
> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the 
> two
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
>> it’s pretty.
>>
>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
>> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>
>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
>> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell 
>> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
>> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
>> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description 
>> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
>> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>>
>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep 
>> it coming!
>> L
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire 
>> clearance is actually massive!”
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source of 
>> inspiration than Will’s:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> See also:
>>
>>
>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>>  
>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike" 
>> 
>> Watch and share reels with friends 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>  
>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
>> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Johnny Alien]

I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.

Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to 
fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that 
way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.

Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the 
two
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
> it’s pretty.
>
> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>
> When it all boils down, it’s this:
> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell 
> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description 
> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>
> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep it 
> coming!
> L
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>
> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire 
> clearance is actually massive!”
>
>
> 
>
> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source of 
> inspiration than Will’s:
>
> 
>
>
> See also:
>
>
> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>  
> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike" 
> 
> Watch and share reels with friends 
> 
> 
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>  
> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Leah Peterson]

Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But it’s pretty.I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. When it all boils down, it’s this:I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep it coming!LOn May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire clearance is actually massive!”For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source of inspiration than Will’s:See also:<441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike"Watch and share reels with friendsP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote: Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

 
Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

I will take some pictures tomorrow. Maybe seeing them next to each other 
will show how different they are. 
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:00:41 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I agree with Philip.
>
> The tube size, frame geometry, length, wheel size - they are very 
> different bikes. I think Riv is offering the Gallop as a fun new direction 
> for road bikes in the way hilly bikes  (Susie and Gus) are a better 
> alternative to over-mechanized mountain bikes. It is a road bike in the 
> sense that it is not to be loaded up for touring. It is not for bumpy fire 
> roads or trails. It is for riding on pavement (mostly). I don't think he's 
> necessarily designing for fast club rides with friends on carbon and/or 
> titanium bikes. 
>
> The Roadeo (and presumably the  Roadini since they are presented as 
> equivalent) has more classic road bike feel in the best possible way. The 
> Roadeo is a much more taut and racy bike than any of the others, excepting 
> only the Legolas, which is going further than you'd need or likely enjoy. 
> It will be much easier to ride with drop bars because that is its sole 
> design intention. 
>
> You should bring your saddle and try my bikes.  
>
> . 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:48:54 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my 
>> five-minute ride report is thus:
>>
>> If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, 
>> body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted 
>> a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this 
>> would be that.
>>
>> It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It 
>> felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on 
>> the open road once it’s up to speed.
>>
>> But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.
>>
>> Or I didn’t feel like it was.
>>
>> Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.
>>
>> You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking 
>> in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie, 
>> Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road 
>> rides than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way 
>> than the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had 
>> thought it was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. 
>>
>> I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn 
>> and it is FUN.
>> L
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
>> pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
>> see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
>> different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
>> likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
>> comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
>> for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could 
>> find a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike 
>> feels super similar to my Roadeo. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it 
>>> feels like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that 
>>> far off. (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not 
>>> fix. I hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
>>> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
>>> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
>>> rides has those pedals.
>>>
>>> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. 
>>> There’s a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. 
>>> I’ll report back tomorrow!
>>>
>>> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
>>> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
>>> swept-back bars?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
 well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
 it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
 I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
 say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
 October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
 both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
 suited to one vs the other. 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

I agree with Philip.

The tube size, frame geometry, length, wheel size - they are very different 
bikes. I think Riv is offering the Gallop as a fun new direction for road 
bikes in the way hilly bikes  (Susie and Gus) are a better alternative 
to over-mechanized mountain bikes. It is a road bike in the sense that it 
is not to be loaded up for touring. It is not for bumpy fire roads or 
trails. It is for riding on pavement (mostly). I don't think he's 
necessarily designing for fast club rides with friends on carbon and/or 
titanium bikes. 

The Roadeo (and presumably the  Roadini since they are presented as 
equivalent) has more classic road bike feel in the best possible way. The 
Roadeo is a much more taut and racy bike than any of the others, excepting 
only the Legolas, which is going further than you'd need or likely enjoy. 
It will be much easier to ride with drop bars because that is its sole 
design intention. 

You should bring your saddle and try my bikes.  

. 


On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:48:54 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my 
> five-minute ride report is thus:
>
> If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, 
> body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted 
> a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this 
> would be that.
>
> It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It 
> felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on 
> the open road once it’s up to speed.
>
> But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.
>
> Or I didn’t feel like it was.
>
> Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.
>
> You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking 
> in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie, 
> Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road rides 
> than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way than 
> the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had thought it 
> was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. 
>
> I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn 
> and it is FUN.
> L
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
> pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
> see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
> different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
> likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
> comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
> for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find 
> a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels 
> super similar to my Roadeo. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels 
>> like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. 
>> (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I 
>> hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
>> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
>> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
>> rides has those pedals.
>>
>> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s 
>> a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll 
>> report back tomorrow!
>>
>> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
>> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
>> swept-back bars?
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
>>> well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
>>> it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
>>> I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
>>> say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
>>> October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
>>> both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
>>> suited to one vs the other. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan 
 to watch other people build theirs LEAH!

 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

>
> Sarah - 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[P W]

Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my five-minute ride report is thus:If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this would be that.It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on the open road once it’s up to speed.But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.Or I didn’t feel like it was.Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Valerie, Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road rides than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way than the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had thought it was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn and it is FUN.LOn May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels super similar to my Roadeo. On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my rides has those pedals.But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll report back tomorrow!I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for swept-back bars?LeahOn Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more suited to one vs the other. On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to watch other people build theirs LEAH!On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!SarahOn Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.To me, 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Leah Peterson]

Valerie, Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road rides than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way than the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had thought it was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn and it is FUN.LOn May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels super similar to my Roadeo. On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my rides has those pedals.But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll report back tomorrow!I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for swept-back bars?LeahOn Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more suited to one vs the other. On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to watch other people build theirs LEAH!On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!SarahOn Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I do with the