Re: [RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Patrick Moore]

Lum: I feel your pain. At least, I feel my pain, which seems to be similar
to yours. I've owned at least 6 original design Moustache bars, and I've
tried them on at least 8 bikes over the years; and while I really, really
like the idea, I've never been able to get them nearly as comfortable as
drop bars.

Right now, I have these original issue M bars on the Hon Solo. The bar
clamp on the HS is right at the very tippy top of the bar mast; I found
that M bars were uncomfortable, but more comfortable than the Ritchey (?)
cowhorns they replace; and I usually don't ride the HS for more than 10-12
miles at a time.

A period of time passed ...

Joe B of this list sold me a doohickey that clamps into the bar mast of
bikes like the HS, but pushes the bar out by 2". I added it, and what do
you know: same height, 2" more reach = more comfortable. But the HS bar
mast clamp doesn't clamp tight enough to keep this thing from rotating; so
I let it rotate all the way down, so that the M bar is now ~ 2" lower and
perhaps 1" further forward than when perched at the top of the mast.

Wala! Even more comfortable -- though still short term comfort. But less
hand pressure and pain than when considerably higher and closer in.

I've not tried the Albastache; perhaps one day I will.

I haven't installed a drop bar on the HS because the M bar with its more
nearly 2 dimensional shape folds tighter than the bike would with a drop
bar.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 2:09 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> Thanks for the reponses and input.
>
> I have tried upright twice now. Once with Albas on an oversized Sam, and
> once with Boscos on a 53 Bleriot, and Albas on a 55 Bleriot. I lasted a
> month with the Albas/Sam. I have had the Bleriot Bosco-ed for the better
> part of a year now. Hi/lowbars/near/Flyer/B67, etc. been tried.
> I have even tried mustache bars but they are a torture device to me. Hand
> pain in the first half mile of riding, inescapable for the rest of the ride
> since the same part of the hand (for me) is contacted in all bar positions
> on mustaches, except for the limited tops. So the torture never lets up.
> I guess I have sensitive hands.
> One guy told me once that some people may have their hand nerves running
> closer to the surface of their hands than others. This could be true as I
> have been a musician my whole life and perhaps this develops nerve growth
> in that direction. Just speculation, of course.
>
> Seems like drop bars are the most comfortable for me. I am happy with them.
> I keep them at ~1.3 cm below saddle. I have always been comfy on drops for
> all my riding, rec and centuries, commuting, etc. It is just the 10mph
> wife-rides pace that my hands start to complain.
>
> Maybe I will place drops on the Bleriot again, but set them as high as
> poss for the bike-wifery, and see if that relieves the hand pressure when
> riding slowly.
> I have tried hi drops on my own before and felt no diffs in hand pressure.
>
> I agree that hand pressure is probably more related to where the weight is
> distributed on a bike, a la PJW fit article.
>
> One day this will no longer be an issue because *she says that for her
> next bike she wants an electric bike!*
> Then I will be on the forum complaining that I can't get my bike up to her
> 20mph electric bike pace!!! Ha ha!!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Lum,

I cannot find the earlier discussion I had mentioned this but have you
tried these bars on a bicycle?  They are mustache bars with a smaller
drop.  I believe SOMAFAB has them as a 3 speed mustache bar.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pereiracycles/3983134786/

http://store.somafab.com/soma3speedbar.html

Just a suggestion but if you going towards drops again.  That will be the
ends of me saying anything.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:06 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure that my riding position qualifies as "upright" as being
> discussed in this thread but all of my bikes end up with the handlebars
> 7-8cm higher than my saddle and I consider my position to be upright.
>  After years of discomfort, no matter what I tried, I accidently discovered
> that my reach to the bar has to be much longer than I thought.   I'm 5'11"
> and I'm riding a bike with a 61cm ETT, a 17 degree 110mm stem and that is
> the only combo that has given me any kind of comfort.  All of my rides are
> short but I experienced pain almost immediately with a shorter reach.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Addison Wilhite]

I hadn't really thought much about this until this thread came along but it
occurs to me that I've had my Allrounder in all sorts of configurations
with drops and mustache bars, but about two years ago I converted it to a
more upright cruiser albatross with racks to transport stuff thinking it
would be more of an errand bike for groceries and such.  My riding time on
that bike has dropped drastically.  I think that's telling me I need to go
back to an earlier cockpit.  It seems like in retrospect the most fun
builds were fattish tires with mustache bars but the more practical option
was drops and more touring oriented.  To see those different builds you can
click here:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html

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On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:38 AM, Corwin  wrote:

> I also concur - upright is less desirable than drops. I have two bikes
> with drop bars and two bikes with "original" mustache bars. On one of those
> bikes - a tandem - my wife rides stoker with albatross and I captain with
> mustache. I get minimal power from my legs in an upright posture. Just does
> not work for me. So much so that on my Rivendell Custom, I added the
> requirement that the bars be 3 cm below the saddle. When I test rode the
> bike, we started with the bars and saddle level. Kept removing spacers from
> the stem till we got the bars down to just above the headset.
>
> The threadless fork steerer still sticks out about 3/4 inch above the stem.
>
> I get incredible power from this riding position.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:23:46 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without
>> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on
>> drops.
>>
>>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the
>> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was
>> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops.
>> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with
>> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>>
>> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to
>> endure while upright.
>>
>> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut
>> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought
>> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>>
>> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>>
>> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>>
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