Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[ascpgh]

In response to what Leah wrote: 

"Andy - yes, delight us with your 20 year Ram write-up and beausage. Who 
else has had a bike for a long time and can contribute? Like Pam, I’d 
really enjoy those stories and photos."

I got my 2002 Rambouillet just in time (4pm, afternoon prior to departure) 
to ride across the country with three others on a trip so light I didn't 
have a weather resistant camera small enough to take. Grant said this bike 
would fit me without going custom, so I put on a Nelson Longflap with a 
Bagman support, three cages, a pump, some spare tubes, headed to Yorktown 
to ride across the country with three folks, one I nominally knew as my 
wife's (who demurred from this activity) friend from college. 

I had a slight detour from plans in Colorado when the fresh granite and tar 
chip top road popped my back tire on a winding descent. I couldn't hold a 
line on the flat, had a 35 mph high side dismount, left measurable amounts 
of myself on the road and a separated my left shoulder. After getting up, 
fixing my flat and one of the other's (I was the riding mechanic), finding 
no cell service on three carriers' phones, not a passing car in hours and a 
dark storm across the western sky, I looked at the others who exited their 
wordless shock at my condition observing "Andy, your shoulder's messed up". 
Yes, and help is 48 more miles from here.

What stood out on that evening was how I was able to ride my bike those 
miles into the next town as such. It's been a dependable bike since then 
with all sorts of adventures, iterations, friendships and a few 
sufferfests. At the Nor'Easter curtailed April 2012 Riv Rally East the 
prudent either detoured the rest of the ride at Ohiopyle or hunkered down 
and camped through the storm (Kalamazoo Marc). I stood on  the porch of the 
outfitter providing shuttle for most back to Cumberland, MD trying to reach 
my wife until they closed at 5. I wanted to redirect her to a nearer pick 
up location but was visiting frineds in an equally challenging cell service 
location, so I headed out into the snow on the GAP headed for our 
predetermined pick up site. A long couple of hours on a desolate snow 
covered path on the trusty Ram. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9fP8TaUxETEBTgdQ8

I have gotten through many of the pictures to add some context but pictures 
do tell a thousand words...before writing any. I'm still scouring storage 
platforms for other pictures from eras and riding not covered. Work in 
progress. Learned a lot on this bike and from this bike. Grant was right, 
this bike will work for me. 

Andy Cheatham
On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:35:07 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Your bike mistreated because of its beausage? Never. It is my unvarnished 
> opinion that the mistreated bike is the pristine one. A pristine bike is a 
> parked bike, and Rivs are meant to be ridden. I have one scuff in my 
> raspberry Platypus paint and I don’t even care. More to come, I figure.
>
> Andy - yes, delight us with your 20 year Ram write-up and beausage. Who 
> else has had a bike for a long time and can contribute? Like Pam, I’d 
> really enjoy those stories and photos.
>
> As for me, my Betty Foy was 8 years old when I traded it in for the longer 
> chain-stayed, raspberry Platypus. I learned a lot in those 8 years and you 
> could see it on the frame. I didn’t even know how to raise the handlebars 
> when I got my Betty. I stripped a bolt or two. Mashed the brake cable into 
> the top tube paint job. I used it to pull my kids and haul my dog, and as 
> such, it was tipped over by said kids and dog more than once. Wish I had 
> done a similar write-up!
>
> Leah
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 7:21 AM, Pam Bikes  wrote:
>
> I was afraid people would give me a hard time for thinking I mistreated 
> my bike.  I'd love to see other bikes in similar condition.  I used to 
> stress over the paint chips but have enjoyed all the rides and have come to 
> realize that bikes are for riding.  If it gets chipped, that's part of the 
> journey.  
>
>
> I'm sure more people have ridden lots more than me.  I just ride mine 
> everyday, everywhere literally.  We're all lucky we have our Rivs before 
> Ultraromancer, Bike Snob and Russ of The Path Less Pedaled got theirs.  
> Rivs may be more hard to come by.  
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 10:02:36 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> You use your bike the way we all should (if weather permitted).  Good to 
>> remember the nicks and scratches.  A well used bike.  
>>
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>>> beausage.  
>>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>>
>>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>>
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you for this wonderful article and photos of a well loved bike.  I 
just love seeing people on their bikes. The more the better. 
Pam, I too use the Cateye Enduro on my bike to track mileage and I will be 
moving it and resetting it for my new platypus.  
Ride on!
Kate-Trenton, NJ
anxiously awaiting her first Riv

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:56 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Au contraire!
> [image: 9E69-1B45-45CC-BF99-A54EE3B16529_1_105_c.jpeg]
> Riding in the rain is why you have fenders! Dyno hub and LED lights for 
> the dark of night. 
>
>
> Out in the falling rain is one of the top bicycling moments for me. I have 
> picked parts over the years to become more impervious to riding in the wet, 
> component by component. Tubeless wheels finished my list, solving the 
> problem of wet tubes and rim tape from centrifugal entry at the spoke 
> holes. 
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-05-17 at 5.16.12 AM.png]
> We're pretty average here, our wet is just spread more evenly than other 
> places where big storms with significant downpours concentrate rainfall.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:15:08 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
>> rain! Right now.
>> Leah 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
>>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
>>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
>>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
>>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
>>> powdercoat) 
>>> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
>>> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
>>> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
>>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
>>> and scrapes.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Pam Bikes]

To keep track of miles I have a cyclometer.  This is my 3rd.  The first one 
came off my beginner bike which I had for about 4 1/2 years.  I rode it for 
5855 miles then when I got the Betty Foy I wondered if I'd ever ride it as 
much.  And now I ride more than than yearly.  My first cyclometer was a 
Blackburn then I got another one off ebay so I wouldn't need to change the 
mount but the wiring went bad - intermittantly stopping.  So I took the one 
off my daughter's bike.  It was given to me from someone who didn't use it 
anymore.  It's a Cateye Enduro.  The mount was broken in a crash but I 
fashioned a new one out of an old bike tube and a zip tie.  It's doing ok 
from 2 yrs ago.  These are the wired ones with the spoke magnet and CR2032 
battery.  When the display dims and I know I need to replace it, I write 
down the mileage and reprogram it.  

I've hauled all kinds of stuff on my Betty.  Just tonight I brought home a 
5 lb can of oyster sauce, some sesame oil, cooking wine and found a 5 
gallon soy sauce bucket at the dumpster.  The bucket was strapped to the 
rack with a John's Irish strap.  Then on the way home from my friends 
house, I found a floor lamp that I strapped on with a Voile strap.  

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 10:25:33 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> My thought is:  if you have more than one bike, it's reasonable to have a 
> pampered and immaculate one.  But everyone should have one bike that, even 
> if a beautiful bike, is ultimately about utility - and is treated as such!
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:54 PM  wrote:
>
>> I loved reading this. My early-ish Atlantis has an amputated rack 
>> braze-on from a mishap we don’t discuss, and plenty of nicks and scratches. 
>> There’s something about it being an “all rounder” that leads me to just use 
>> it without being to concerned about damaging the finish. I love seeing hard 
>> used bikes and pampered bikes, as long as there are butts on bikes! 
>>
>> On May 16, 2021, at 18:24, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get 
>> touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that 
>> is pretty easy to do in SoCal.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
>>> rain! Right now.
>>> Leah 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
 about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, 
 and 
 only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
 Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
 largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
 powdercoat) 
 in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
 eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
 behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.

 OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
 years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
 and scrapes.

 ---
 Patrick Moore
 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Jason Fuller]

My thought is:  if you have more than one bike, it's reasonable to have a
pampered and immaculate one.  But everyone should have one bike that, even
if a beautiful bike, is ultimately about utility - and is treated as such!

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:54 PM  wrote:

> I loved reading this. My early-ish Atlantis has an amputated rack braze-on
> from a mishap we don’t discuss, and plenty of nicks and scratches. There’s
> something about it being an “all rounder” that leads me to just use it
> without being to concerned about damaging the finish. I love seeing hard
> used bikes and pampered bikes, as long as there are butts on bikes!
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 18:24, David Person  wrote:
>
> I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get
> touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that
> is pretty easy to do in SoCal.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the
>> rain! Right now.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting
>>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and
>>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe
>>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was
>>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
>>> powdercoat)
>>> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another
>>> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from
>>> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many
>>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs
>>> and scrapes.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[luckyturnip]

I loved reading this. My early-ish Atlantis has an amputated rack braze-on from 
a mishap we don’t discuss, and plenty of nicks and scratches. There’s something 
about it being an “all rounder” that leads me to just use it without being to 
concerned about damaging the finish. I love seeing hard used bikes and pampered 
bikes, as long as there are butts on bikes! 

> On May 16, 2021, at 18:24, David Person  wrote:
> 
> I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get 
> touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that is 
> pretty easy to do in SoCal.
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
>> rain! Right now.
>> Leah 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
 
>>> Grant would be so proud of you.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, 
> and only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 
> 1999 Joe Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell 
> paint was largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated 
> (nice powdercoat) in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right 
> chainstay where another eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last 
> year, slammed into me from behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame 
> almost unscathed.
> 
> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor 
> scuffs and scrapes.
> 
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[David Person]

I have to confess to pampering my Hillborne.  Any nicks to the paint get 
touched up pretty quickly and I avoid riding it in the rain, thought that 
is pretty easy to do in SoCal.


On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the 
> rain! Right now.
> Leah 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
>
> Grant would be so proud of you.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
>> powdercoat) 
>> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
>> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
>> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>>
>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
>> and scrapes.
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Leah Peterson]

In the spirit of our Pam I’m going out and trashing my dream bike in the rain! 
Right now.
Leah 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 PM, David Person  wrote:
> 
> Grant would be so proud of you.
> 
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
>> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
>> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
>> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
>> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (nice 
>> powdercoat) in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where 
>> another eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me 
>> from behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame almost unscathed.
>> 
>> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
>> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
>> and scrapes.
>> 
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[David Person]

Grant would be so proud of you.

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting 
> about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and 
> only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe 
> Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was 
> largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated (*nice* 
> powdercoat) 
> in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another 
> eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from 
> behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.
>
> OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many 
> years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs 
> and scrapes.
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Patrick Moore]

I admire your moral fiber for happily riding your bike without fretting
about the paint. I do have a 22-year-old Rivendell, but I've babied it, and
only used it very occasionally for errands or commuting (it's the 1999 Joe
Starck custom). It had a few minor scuffs, but the Joe Bell paint was
largely intact when I had it slightly modified and powdercoated
(*nice* powdercoat)
in 2018. It does sport a wee dent in the right chainstay where another
eejit cyclist, playing paceline with me last year, slammed into me from
behind -- bent the wheel but left the frame *almost* unscathed.

OTOH, I did commute on another Riv custom with Joe Bell paint for many
years, including carriage on bus bike racks -- more but again minor scuffs
and scrapes.

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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Leah Peterson]

Your bike mistreated because of its beausage? Never. It is my unvarnished 
opinion that the mistreated bike is the pristine one. A pristine bike is a 
parked bike, and Rivs are meant to be ridden. I have one scuff in my raspberry 
Platypus paint and I don’t even care. More to come, I figure.

Andy - yes, delight us with your 20 year Ram write-up and beausage. Who else 
has had a bike for a long time and can contribute? Like Pam, I’d really enjoy 
those stories and photos.

As for me, my Betty Foy was 8 years old when I traded it in for the longer 
chain-stayed, raspberry Platypus. I learned a lot in those 8 years and you 
could see it on the frame. I didn’t even know how to raise the handlebars when 
I got my Betty. I stripped a bolt or two. Mashed the brake cable into the top 
tube paint job. I used it to pull my kids and haul my dog, and as such, it was 
tipped over by said kids and dog more than once. Wish I had done a similar 
write-up!

Leah
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> On May 16, 2021, at 7:21 AM, Pam Bikes  wrote:
> I was afraid people would give me a hard time for thinking I mistreated my 
> bike.  I'd love to see other bikes in similar condition.  I used to stress 
> over the paint chips but have enjoyed all the rides and have come to realize 
> that bikes are for riding.  If it gets chipped, that's part of the journey.  
> 
> I'm sure more people have ridden lots more than me.  I just ride mine 
> everyday, everywhere literally.  We're all lucky we have our Rivs before 
> Ultraromancer, Bike Snob and Russ of The Path Less Pedaled got theirs.  Rivs 
> may be more hard to come by.  
> 
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 10:02:36 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>> You use your bike the way we all should (if weather permitted).  Good to 
>> remember the nicks and scratches.  A well used bike.  
>> 
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.  
>>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>> 
>>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
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