Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Christopher Cote]

Like I said, that's my opinion. I would never begrudge you yours. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[ted]

I'm glad you have found the solution that you like, but some of us do like the 
way cantilevers work and are glad they still exist. Saying cantilevers are 
obsolete and only exist for fashion is a mistake.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Christopher Cote]

Thanks. I had a Heron Road back in the day, too. It was a wonderful bike 
and I wish I still had it to complete the collection, but in reality, it is 
too racy for me. I'm much happier with wider tires and fenders.

I think the cantilever brakes I had last on the Heron Touring were the 
BR550s. I was on the fence between trying the V-brakes and the Tektro CR720 
brakes. I'm glad I went with the V brakes. IMO, cantilevers are really an 
outdated design (and this is coming from a confirmed retrogrouch). They 
only still exist for fashion's sake.

Chris


On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 6:26:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> glad you found a solution that worked out; that's a very nice bike and you 
> might've suffered from seller's remorse.
>
> I'm not in the market for one of the Herons myself at this stage of the 
> game, but I've always thought they were really nice understated  bikes and 
> I'm glad to see the brand is resurrected
>
> re: cantilevers; I had a horrid time with the Shimano BR550's which were 
> nice looking enough...cold-forged, yadda,yadda but did squeal and didn't 
> brake all that well. I thought the Shimano CX-70's were a vast 
> improvement...but you got the V-brakes to work, so your Heron sounds like 
> it's no longer on the chopping block
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 4:45:33 PM UTC-6, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> This thread motivated me to get out to the garage and install the 
>> V-brakes. I knew from having them on mountain bikes that they'd work fine, 
>> but I was hesitant because I've never liked the looks of a road bikes with 
>> V-brakes. Also, I didn't think I'd like the RL520 levers. I bought a set of 
>> the big fat Cane Creek aero levers when they first came out, and never 
>> liked them. I much prefer the old Shimano aero levers. I was pleasantly 
>> surprised that the brakes don't look too out of place, and I do like the 
>> feel of the RL520 levers. Of course, they work very well. They're light to 
>> the touch, powerful, smooth, and quiet. I can do stoppies and lock up the 
>> rear at will.
>>
>> I was able to get out for a short ride before it got dark. I didn't have 
>> time to tape the bars, as we're back in the dark ages, AKA standard time, 
>> and it gets dark at 4 o'clock in the afternoon here.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 4:37:35 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Christopher: If the Heron can take 38 Compass tires, then, speaking only 
>>> for myself, I'd not hesitate for a minute to choose the Heron. IIRC (my Sam 
>>> Hill was an earlier model), the Sam can't fit tires much fatter.
>>>
>>> And V brakes are (at least judging from my experience in setting them up 
>>> and riding with them) much easier and better stopping than any canti I've 
>>> used.
>>>
>>> I have what may be a similar dilemma with my 1999 Joe Starck custom 
>>> fixed gear gofast. It's limited -- I asked Grant particularly for no dt 
>>> bottle cage braze ons, no tt cable housing stops or guides, no derailleur 
>>> hangar or housing stops (these things slow you down you know). Very many 
>>> times over the last 17-18 years I've told myself, "Alright, let's get real, 
>>> let's give this to Chauncey and have him braze on derailleur bits, rear 
>>> brake bits, bottle cage bits." Most recently, it's been rear brake bits, so 
>>> that I can use the lovely Sturmey Archer AM hub. But then, I take it out 
>>> for a climbing ride (it weighs under 18 lb), and I am once again convinced 
>>> that it would be foolish to alter it.
>>>
>>> Perhaps your dilemma is like this one. Me, I'd install V brakes and 
>>> Compass tires before I did anything else. The tires would do well on a Sam 
>>> Hill should you finally go that route.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I delight in taking the gofast, with Compass Elk Pass tires that 
>>> measure just under 28 mm on the skinny rims, on the less neglected of our 
>>> Rio Grand bosque acequia access trails. I admit to shivers of self 
>>> importance when, as I did just recently, pulled off the paved trail, 
>>> carried the bike across the motor vehicle barrier, set it down next to a 
>>> couple cyclocross riders, got on, and road off in the 76" fixed gear with 
>>> the single brake and 175 gram tires. I know, sorry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Cote <
>>> christophe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Patrick! I do have a set of V-brakes and Tektro RL520 levers 
 that I bought in a last-ditch effort to want to keep the bike. I haven't 
 gotten around to installing them yet, as I've been enjoying my mountain 
 bikes more this summer. I've also been eyeing the Compass 700x38mm tires, 
 whatever they're called. Currently the bike is shod with some 40mm WTB 
 Nanos that actually measure 37mm wide. I put them on for a "gravel" ride I 
 did earlier this summer and haven't bothered to take them off since they 
 ride surprisingly 

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[drew]

My caliper (Paul racer) Sam fits 700x50 tires just fine, and I've run 42s with 
fenders just fine as well. Neither felt like I was pushing it.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. And yours is from 2009, which would be about the same time, or
perhaps just a year or so later than mine was made. Point granted.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Chris--That's a handsome bike!
>
> Patrick--Here are a couple of (admittedly very poor) clearance shots with
> the Shikoro 42s. The clearance is roughly a pinky's thickness on each side
> of the tire in front. Similar in back.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
Other professional writing services.
http://www.resumespecialties.com/
www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
**
**
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Christopher Cote]

Those are WTB Nano 700x40. They measure 37mm on my rims. That's the biggest 
that would fit in the chainstays.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Patrick Moore]

My Sam had cantilevers (IRDs, set up by Riv staff -- best brakes I've ever
used in terms of stopping power, light touch, and modulation or feel --
and, while it's been 6-7 years, I don't think mine could take such fat
tires. I ran Jack Brown Greens. Perhaps I mis-remember.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Patrick Moore said: "IIRC (my Sam Hill was an earlier model), the Sam
> can't fit tires much fatter."
>
> I run 42 mm Soma Shikoros on my '09 (canti) Sam, and could likely do so
> with fenders, though I haven't tried. I have also tried 47 mm Marathons
> without issue. Other folks even run 50 mm Big Bens, though I don't think
> they actually measure at 50 mm, and the clearance gets a bit sketchy.
> Anyway, my point being, if 10 mm is significant, which to me it is, then
> the Sam (at least the canti version) has significantly more clearance.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
Other professional writing services.
http://www.resumespecialties.com/
www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
**
**
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Bob K.]

Patrick Moore said: "IIRC (my Sam Hill was an earlier model), the Sam can't fit 
tires much fatter."

I run 42 mm Soma Shikoros on my '09 (canti) Sam, and could likely do so with 
fenders, though I haven't tried. I have also tried 47 mm Marathons without 
issue. Other folks even run 50 mm Big Bens, though I don't think they actually 
measure at 50 mm, and the clearance gets a bit sketchy. Anyway, my point being, 
if 10 mm is significant, which to me it is, then the Sam (at least the canti 
version) has significantly more clearance.

Bob K. in Baltimore

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[olofstroh]

Just to add some as a former owner of a Heron Touring: 
I sold it last year for financial reasons which was the right thing to do under 
my present circumstances (I still have four bikes) but miss it, a very nice and 
useful bike with character. It was bought at the same time Riv launched the 
Atlantis and my 61 cm had identical geometry to the first generation Atlantis. 
The main difference was clearance for tires, my Heron used 700Cx35 mm Paselas 
with fenders, it might or might not take 38 mm tires with fenders, but not 
bigger. I went on camping tours, heavily loaded with those and found it 
appropriate. I also used it as a long-distance commuter and found it very good 
for that, some days I used my custom Riv (a Rambouillet clone bought before the 
Rams), commuting time was the same. The more narrow chain stays permitted a 
more narrow Q which I saw as an advantage.

In short: a very, very versatile bike, good for loaded touring, good for 
commuting, good in town. No racer but not bad at all if you wanted a brisk pace 
on the road for the pleasure of it. I think it can do anything an AHH, Sam or 
Atlantis can do as long as you don´t need fat tires.

Olof Stroh
Uppsala Sweden

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.