Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
So had a couple drinks and decided to dive into the politics, eh? Friday night! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/G9TwkdzrGk4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
I sure hope Congress is paying attention as the RBW group solves this problem. You're welcome, Congress! Whenever I'm tempted to engage in these debates, I remind myself of a news article I read in the last couple years: there is a correlation between brain structure and political persuasion. One type of political person tends to be enhanced in the part of the brain that quickly perceives threats and makes bold decisions, while the other type is enhanced in the part of the brain that is comfortable in the nuanced gray areas, and would rather study the problem than make a decision. Both have value, but they don't consider the same inputs in the same way. The upshot is that the people who disagree with me, often, simply lack the brain capacity to understand my point of view! (and vice versa, I suppose). S anyway, I'm thinking of twining and shellacking my handlebars. Will the added 10g front-loading of hemp and shellac necessitate a re-rake of my fork? Would it make sense to lower front tire pressure by 3.2 psi to compensate? Also, is it taboo to use black kool-stop pads? Will my bike even stop with black pads? The salmon ones clash with my tweed mudflap, but the black ones appear to be exactly the same, except color. Help! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-BEKvMtkP5EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
Wow, Kelly, that's mostly not even coherent. On Jan 21, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: Actually camper it's not not liking it it's voicing an opinion.. Democracy hmm. So two rapist and one woman .. Guess rape would be legal. I write a book, a song etc. I make one copy for sale. That's all folks.. No amount of numbers wanting to read it makes it ok to force more copies The bills they are discussing may be really really really bad and need to be defeated. The criminal activity it is trying to prevent. Is not trivial or democratic ..it's flat out illegal. The arguments that the criminal activity is ok is sad, and wrong. The masses do NOT have the right to take my intellectual property at any price other than what I say. If I want to much money don't buy it. Still not ok to steal it. You can't vote it away either it's mine. Censorship of the Internet .. Well will the outrage continue for freedom when it's your kid in the photo on a server in another country... That is already the case.. But we would rather fight for freedom to steel than to protect kids. The bill may be just as flawed as our healthcare bill.. Yet it passed.. Due process.. Votes talking about it.. All good. On the bicycle forum.. Not so much.. It's here and I'll participate.. In good humor even.. So we have all jumped on the band wagon.. It's just so so warm and fuzzy feeling... Scary thing is most of you screaming against blocking the ip of a criminal would turn around and vote to force me to put a helmet on... Then complain when the others vote to keep your bicycle off the road. .. Oops democracy . But don't you dare block the ip of a crook.. Do nothing since the fix Might,, or possibly could, maybe be, abused or carried to far... Step all over my right to be protected then call it democracy.. Or oh they make to much money..they can afford it.. Do your fair share so I don't have to Just because the world is turning into this pack mentality of oh my look at this doesn't make it right either.. Mindless following and yelling no without looking at the problem is just as bad as the bill you want to block. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sgoUx7tEuoEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
Tim McNamara Wow, Kelly, that's mostly not even coherent. Thanks Tim.. guess you aren't smart enough to get it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HrEavb9QsFUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: Tim McNamara Wow, Kelly, that's mostly not even coherent. Thanks Tim.. guess you aren't smart enough to get it. Wow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Philip Williamson wrote: So how are you liking your trike? Do you think Grant would ever design a Rivendell trike? Is there such a thing as a tandem trike? My guesses are lots, nope, and um. As to the last, there are tandem delta and tadpole trikes. The latter seem very huge. The former are most entertaining to watch on downhill corners, with both riders hanging off to the inside of the turn to prevent flipping the trike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
So, can we follow the list rules and not post politics/religion/other OT items? Thanks Bruce On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: the vote is being delayed, which is fantastic. nothing wrong with the idea of preventing piracy, there just has to be a better way of doing it than through terrible legislation: http://www.pcworld.com/article/248466/internets_protest_prods_us_senate_to_delay_vote.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
Doesn't matter to me how many are against it. Stealing is still wrong .. Stop pirating / steeling and these type of bills wouldn't be discussed. So that means you are against blocking the child porn site as well.. It political crap better suited for the political talks shows. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ddod9_7E_QcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
You're right young brother, you're right. There was a remark on here earlier about blocking the Riv site. Grant's pretty smart and I'm sure he's done his homework. However, if he used the name, and it was trademarked, and he didn't have permission, well that's that. I would agree that big money is behind this, but so what. In fact, it has to be so-how many times has congress agreed on anything, but, boom, here they are. So you know some contributors got on the phone. Or lobbyists or what have you. Think of all the videos of old bands that are on You Tube. Every time one of those is played, those guys are entitled to a cut, however small. They earned it and deserve it. I'm stymied to find any argument more ridiculous than. Don't they have enough money?. That's not the point. RGZ On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't matter to me how many are against it. Stealing is still wrong .. Stop pirating / steeling and these type of bills wouldn't be discussed. So that means you are against blocking the child porn site as well.. It political crap better suited for the political talks shows. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ddod9_7E_QcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
BTW, a few years ago, when OJ Simpson was on trial, I TM'd the letters, name, abbreviation O.J. Every time it's mentioned I get a few cents. Ever wonder why they never say OJ on orange juice commercials? On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:48 PM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: You're right young brother, you're right. There was a remark on here earlier about blocking the Riv site. Grant's pretty smart and I'm sure he's done his homework. However, if he used the name, and it was trademarked, and he didn't have permission, well that's that. I would agree that big money is behind this, but so what. In fact, it has to be so-how many times has congress agreed on anything, but, boom, here they are. So you know some contributors got on the phone. Or lobbyists or what have you. Think of all the videos of old bands that are on You Tube. Every time one of those is played, those guys are entitled to a cut, however small. They earned it and deserve it. I'm stymied to find any argument more ridiculous than. Don't they have enough money?. That's not the point. RGZ On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't matter to me how many are against it. Stealing is still wrong .. Stop pirating / steeling and these type of bills wouldn't be discussed. So that means you are against blocking the child porn site as well.. It political crap better suited for the political talks shows. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ddod9_7E_QcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
Umm..because after the OJ trial no sane orange juice producer would be stupid enough to use those letters? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wlclq5Y1Nm8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
Doesn't matter to me how many are against it. Democracy. Stealing is still wrong .. Stop pirating / steeling and these type of bills wouldn't be discussed. Due process. It's one of our founding principles and I think allot of people still like it. Hence the multitudes coming out against this bill. It political crap better suited for the political talks shows. If this post bothered me I'd probably not read it. Just kidding. It's the things we don't like which seem to hook us in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZBYadGAi1Y4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Grant may be a smart guy, but even the author of the bill violated it on accident. http://mashable.com/2012/01/12/sopa-sponsor/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2tOAGDPM2rQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
Actually camper it's not not liking it it's voicing an opinion.. Democracy hmm. So two rapist and one woman .. Guess rape would be legal. I write a book, a song etc. I make one copy for sale. That's all folks.. No amount of numbers wanting to read it makes it ok to force more copies The bills they are discussing may be really really really bad and need to be defeated. The criminal activity it is trying to prevent. Is not trivial or democratic ..it's flat out illegal. The arguments that the criminal activity is ok is sad, and wrong. The masses do NOT have the right to take my intellectual property at any price other than what I say. If I want to much money don't buy it. Still not ok to steal it. You can't vote it away either it's mine. Censorship of the Internet .. Well will the outrage continue for freedom when it's your kid in the photo on a server in another country... That is already the case.. But we would rather fight for freedom to steel than to protect kids. The bill may be just as flawed as our healthcare bill.. Yet it passed.. Due process.. Votes talking about it.. All good. On the bicycle forum.. Not so much.. It's here and I'll participate.. In good humor even.. So we have all jumped on the band wagon.. It's just so so warm and fuzzy feeling... Scary thing is most of you screaming against blocking the ip of a criminal would turn around and vote to force me to put a helmet on... Then complain when the others vote to keep your bicycle off the road. .. Oops democracy . But don't you dare block the ip of a crook.. Do nothing since the fix Might,, or possibly could, maybe be, abused or carried to far... Step all over my right to be protected then call it democracy.. Or oh they make to much money..they can afford it.. Do your fair share so I don't have to Just because the world is turning into this pack mentality of oh my look at this doesn't make it right either.. Mindless following and yelling no without looking at the problem is just as bad as the bill you want to block. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sgoUx7tEuoEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
That dude was arrested under current law. We didn't need to change the law to get him. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: This cat just needed a Rivendell to chill him out. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/technology/founder-of-shuttered-file-sharing-site-sought-limelight.html?_r=1hp -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
So I'm in a big long conversation on Facebook about a 68 cm Atlantis Saying I want one.. Maybe finding one... Then come to the riv forum for political rhetoric... Life is good Ya know I bet it was the low trail, disc brake, helmet lover anti choice, subversive leather wearing trike gang, recumbent skinny tire, radical carbon fibre racer dude with riv content bell I blame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TkJEpexpesoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
On Jan 19, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Please continue to honor what has been one of the truly exceptional efforts on the net - keeping this group generally on-topic and friendly. This group has been spectacularly on-topic and friendly. That is due to the unobtrusive but effective list management style of Jim and the topicality and friendliness of Riv owners and supporters. Chapeau! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
I have yet to meet a single person that openly supports this legislation. So I'm assuming that a vast majority of The People are opposed it. I think the fact that politicians have authored and sponsor it (in spite of this fact) illustrates one of the most heinous problems with politics in America. That is, they're obviously prepared to set aside the desires of their constituents in favor of political agendas. Why do we stand for it? Shaun Meehan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
Representative democracy is a myth. ~ I shouldn't talk, because I started all this by mistake! The rbw-owners-bunch address was in an address book I group-emailed, so my political leanings were inadvertently introduced in a VERY off-topic manner. For the record, I abhor OT posts, as well as topics that drift wildly OT or from their original intent. I apologized to Jim (Cyclofiend), as I felt it was appropriate to do so. In respect for the forum's Principle Intent, I would ask that people let this matter fade, get back to one of our rare joys, and divest this highly charged and unrelated business from the few bits of fun we can manage. Thank you for your well-considered, though OT, responses. Back to the geekery that is Ours! Dave On 1/19/2012 8:00 PM, Shaun Meehan wrote: I have yet to meet a single person that openly supports this legislation. So I'm assuming that a vast majority of The People are opposed it. I think the fact that politicians have authored and sponsor it (in spite of this fact) illustrates one of the most heinous problems with politics in America. That is, they're obviously prepared to set aside the desires of their constituents in favor of political agendas. Why do we stand for it? Shaun Meehan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
OTOH, much politics here at www.insidecablenews.wordpress.com. Not my blog, but I comment there often as Joeremi. Come shout! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nh7CpZhojWMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
