Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-08 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 02/08/2014 12:03 PM, ted wrote:
I am sure Jim knows well where of he speaks, so I count my wife and I 
as very lucky to have gotten a used tandem that suits us fairly well 
for far less than 5k, and through RBW no less.
What I don't get though, is why virtually no enthusiastic husbands 
seem to let their wives drive. I can see over/around my wife better 
than she can me, and I think she appreciates being able to drive more 
than I miss it. I have read that there are tandem riding couples were 
the guy is the stoker, but I have yet to see one on the road.


It's more about handlebar height for the stoker than anything else. The 
stoker stem is attached to the captain's seat post, and the height of 
the handlebar as a result is limited: even with up-angled stoker stems, 
it's almost impossible to get the bar significantly higher than the 
stoker's saddle.  Now imagine a stoker significantly larger than the 
captain, as most husbands are physically larger than their wives 
(obviously not always, but certainly so in most cases). You're looking 
at very significant bar-drop for the stoker, well into racer-territory, 
never mind current Riv bar much higher than seat height thinking.


Then there's the matter of physical strength: the captain of a tandem 
needs more upper body strength than is typically needed to operate a 
single bicycle.  For one thing, it's usual at a traffic light or a stop 
sign for the captain to dismount and for the stoker to remain seated and 
clipped in.  Although it's mostly a matter of balance, if the stoker 
should make a sudden move it's up to the captain to hold the bike 
steady, and that does take strength.  And, of course, just horsing the 
bike around when nobody's on it takes more strength than a single 
because the tandem typically weighs as much as two singles.  While there 
are plenty of strong women, in general the male half of a tandem team 
typically has more upper body strength.



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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-07 Thread Steven Frederick
Fat front tandem-that's awesome!


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has
 been known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back.
 http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-07 Thread Bruce Herbitter

Here's one solution I found...

http://www.instructables.com/id/brilliantly-simple-tandem-bike/?ALLSTEPS



On 2/7/2014 11:16 AM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote:

Hey Jim,  where is your quad bike or better yet your quint family bike?  :)

--Those are some serious tires!

-T


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:

Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has been 
known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back.
http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-07 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Hey Jim,  where is your quad bike or better yet your quint family bike?  :)

--Those are some serious tires!

-T


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has been 
 known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back.
 http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-06 Thread Scott Henry
I have been trying not to buy one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Giordano-Viaggio-Tandem-White-Pearl/dp/B004Q3PE30/ref=sr_1_3?s=cyclingie=UTF8qid=1391696071sr=1-3

But I know that for $500 to my door I will be getting one sooner or later.
Its cheap, I am sure I could up-spec it a bit with what I have in my garage
and I really want a better tandem.   I have an old Schwinn Twinn but have
been trying to get the lady to ride with me a bit more.

Scott
Dayton, OH



On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:02 PM, charlie.fowler chas.fow...@gmail.comwrote:

 My sister and I ride a 1976 Motobecane tandem we got a few years ago.
 Has bar end shifters, a TA triple and a frozen captain's seat post. Lucky
 seat height is right.

 It's pretty Granted out. Shellaced bar tape and twine, a Hobo bag hanging
 on stoker bar and a little joe bag flipped backwards on front bar and a
 burrito wrap behind the stoker.

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgiobrtn7n7moqu/IMG_1258.JPG

  Charlie fowler, who rides a 57cm romulus
 Hamilton ohio

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-05 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Hey Bill, You can also use crank shorteners to ride with the kids on
the tandem. My short-legged 9 yr old son uses crank shorteners now.
My daughter can't use them yet.

I have a Santana 26 cro-moly tandem. Wonderful bike with thousands of
miles with the kids. (I also have a 700c triplet bike that I use with
both kids.)  I haven't ridden as much on the tandem/triplet because my
kids like to ride on their own bike now...

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-05 Thread Bill Lindsay
yeah, I probably could have done that.  Now, if I do what I should now, 
I'll just pony up for a new Ritchey double breakaway and run it 650B.  

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 3:36:00 PM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:

 Hey Bill, You can also use crank shorteners to ride with the kids on 
 the tandem. My short-legged 9 yr old son uses crank shorteners now. 
 My daughter can't use them yet. 

 I have a Santana 26 cro-moly tandem. Wonderful bike with thousands of 
 miles with the kids. (I also have a 700c triplet bike that I use with 
 both kids.)  I haven't ridden as much on the tandem/triplet because my 
 kids like to ride on their own bike now... 

 Toshi 


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-05 Thread charlie.fowler
My sister and I ride a 1976 Motobecane tandem we got a few years ago.  
Has bar end shifters, a TA triple and a frozen captain's seat post. Lucky seat 
height is right. 

It's pretty Granted out. Shellaced bar tape and twine, a Hobo bag hanging on 
stoker bar and a little joe bag flipped backwards on front bar and a burrito 
wrap behind the stoker.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgiobrtn7n7moqu/IMG_1258.JPG

 Charlie fowler, who rides a 57cm romulus
Hamilton ohio

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-02-04 Thread Ron Mc
My buddy had his Cannondale tandem set up for him with his two daughters - 
the taller as stoker and the much shorter daughter on a Burley Piccolo 
trailer bike.  

On Friday, January 31, 2014 2:51:06 PM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote:

 On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 
  
Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride 
 the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and 
 not want to ride it with me.   

 The dilemma of fatherhood in a nutshell.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-31 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Bill,

Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral.

Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 My tandem is an Ibis Touche.  700c with Jack Browns currently.  My wife
 and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids.  I did a
 century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was
 great.  It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot
 bigger than a Jack Brown in front.  In back it's a lot cozier.  I test-fit
 some 700x37 Paselas.  It cleared but not with enough margin to actually
 leave them on there.  Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may
 try to get fenders around the Jack Browns.  The bike is cream, and I'm
 wondering if cream longboards would match or clash.

 My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke.  I never bothered
 putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use.
  Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong.  Hopefully
 there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with
 me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to
 ride it with me.


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-31 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the 
 tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not 
 want to ride it with me.  

The dilemma of fatherhood in a nutshell.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-31 Thread Steven Frederick
...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork...

Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-)

Steve


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bill,

 Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral.

 Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.comwrote:

 My tandem is an Ibis Touche.  700c with Jack Browns currently.  My wife
 and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids.  I did a
 century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was
 great.  It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot
 bigger than a Jack Brown in front.  In back it's a lot cozier.  I test-fit
 some 700x37 Paselas.  It cleared but not with enough margin to actually
 leave them on there.  Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may
 try to get fenders around the Jack Browns.  The bike is cream, and I'm
 wondering if cream longboards would match or clash.

 My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke.  I never bothered
 putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use.
  Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong.  Hopefully
 there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with
 me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to
 ride it with me.


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-31 Thread Bill Lindsay
OUCH!  Owned!

In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game 
for a lot of things this summer.  Although he likes playing video games as 
much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle, 
so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen.  

On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote:

 ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork...

 Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-)

 Steve


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie 
 cmc...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Bill,

 Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral.

 Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay 
 tape...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 My tandem is an Ibis Touche.  700c with Jack Browns currently.  My wife 
 and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids.  I did a 
 century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was 
 great.  It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot 
 bigger than a Jack Brown in front.  In back it's a lot cozier.  I test-fit 
 some 700x37 Paselas.  It cleared but not with enough margin to actually 
 leave them on there.  Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may 
 try to get fenders around the Jack Browns.  The bike is cream, and I'm 
 wondering if cream longboards would match or clash.  

 My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke.  I never bothered 
 putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. 
  Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong.  Hopefully 
 there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with 
 me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to 
 ride it with me.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-31 Thread John Philip
Sounds a lot like mine and things turned out very well indeed! 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/12241381705/
On Friday, January 31, 2014 4:06:03 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 OUCH!  Owned!

 In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game 
 for a lot of things this summer.  Although he likes playing video games as 
 much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle, 
 so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen.  

 On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote:

 ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork...

 Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-)

 Steve


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bill,

 Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral.

 Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comwrote:

 My tandem is an Ibis Touche.  700c with Jack Browns currently.  My wife 
 and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids.  I did a 
 century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was 
 great.  It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot 
 bigger than a Jack Brown in front.  In back it's a lot cozier.  I test-fit 
 some 700x37 Paselas.  It cleared but not with enough margin to actually 
 leave them on there.  Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may 
 try to get fenders around the Jack Browns.  The bike is cream, and I'm 
 wondering if cream longboards would match or clash.  

 My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke.  I never bothered 
 putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. 
  Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong.  Hopefully 
 there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem 
 with 
 me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to 
 ride it with me.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-31 Thread Steven Frederick
FWIW, I only (relatively) briefly lost interest in hanging out with my
dad-we canoed together when I was in my late teens and camped and hunted
together when I was in my 30's.  Dad was never a cycler but if he had been,
I don't doubt we would've done that together too.


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 OUCH!  Owned!

 In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game
 for a lot of things this summer.  Although he likes playing video games as
 much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle,
 so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen.

 On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote:

 ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork...

 Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-)

 Steve


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bill,

 Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral.

 Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comwrote:

 My tandem is an Ibis Touche.  700c with Jack Browns currently.  My wife
 and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids.  I did a
 century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was
 great.  It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot
 bigger than a Jack Brown in front.  In back it's a lot cozier.  I test-fit
 some 700x37 Paselas.  It cleared but not with enough margin to actually
 leave them on there.  Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may
 try to get fenders around the Jack Browns.  The bike is cream, and I'm
 wondering if cream longboards would match or clash.

 My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke.  I never bothered
 putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use.
  Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong.  Hopefully
 there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with
 me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to
 ride it with me.


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-31 Thread Bill Lindsay
Very good stuff, John Philip!  Thanks for sharing that, and thanks stevef, 
too.  I'm looking forward to the next few years.  

On Friday, January 31, 2014 1:52:17 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote:

 FWIW, I only (relatively) briefly lost interest in hanging out with my 
 dad-we canoed together when I was in my late teens and camped and hunted 
 together when I was in my 30's.  Dad was never a cycler but if he had been, 
 I don't doubt we would've done that together too.


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 OUCH!  Owned!

 In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game 
 for a lot of things this summer.  Although he likes playing video games as 
 much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle, 
 so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen.  

 On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote:

 ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork...

 Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-)

 Steve


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bill,

 Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral.

 Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comwrote:

 My tandem is an Ibis Touche.  700c with Jack Browns currently.  My 
 wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids.  I did 
 a 
 century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was 
 great.  It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a 
 lot 
 bigger than a Jack Brown in front.  In back it's a lot cozier.  I 
 test-fit 
 some 700x37 Paselas.  It cleared but not with enough margin to actually 
 leave them on there.  Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I 
 may 
 try to get fenders around the Jack Browns.  The bike is cream, and I'm 
 wondering if cream longboards would match or clash.  

 My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke.  I never 
 bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo 
 to 
 use.  Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. 
  Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride 
 the 
 tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and 
 not 
 want to ride it with me.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-30 Thread Joe Broach
Rachel and I had too great a height difference (captain SH 83cm, stoker
63cm) for a production tandem, so we were in custom or Bike Friday waters.
We went Bike Friday in the end. If we were to do it over, I think we would
find the tallest frame the stoker could straddle and then hack the
captain's quarters to work. Or perhaps try a used Friday. It would have
been nice to get some tandem experience before committing to a frame. The
Friday certainly has advantages when it comes to storage and transport,
though!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:31 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't catch the re-listing. A few sizes too small for me as well,
 praise the briny depths!


 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:05:11 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 ...and it's relisted at $1275.  Thank LOB it's small for me

 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:51 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I
 highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century.
 There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type
 independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html

 Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California.
 I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!)
 than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about
 Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which
 is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity.

 I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those
 along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish
 trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course.

 Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be
 hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put
 on Albas, but getting real upright is limited.

 This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay
 with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323


 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

 And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife?

 I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year,
 Lord willing.

 They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in.

 I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me
 and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can
 do that on a tandem.

 Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are
 lighter materials in order for a frame of that size?

 Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

2014-01-30 Thread Tim Gavin
My little brother (not a Riv rider... yet.) and his wife took a purple
Santana tandem on RAGBRAI last year.  They made it without killing each
other.

 I'll keep an eye out for your Lavender Limo.

Tim


 RAGBRAI is going to be flat and short this year, so we hope to ride the
 Tandem for the first 6 days and I will switch to my San Marcos for the last
 day through the hills.



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