Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[tc]

Gotcha.  The memory of riding SS mountain bikes a couple of years ago at 
the US Whitewater center in Charlotte NC (what a blast) was the trigger 
that caused me to start thinking about this t ole SS thing.  Though my 
riding will be on paved greenways and roads 90% of the time, I agree that a 
different approach is required -- but thankfully it becomes natural after a 
very short time -- which is part of the point -- and I hope -- more fun -- 
less thinking, more doing.

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 10:36:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> + 1. You're not going to make it up a lot of hills with just a wider bar; 
> you have to adjust your climbing method and tempo and, if you do that, your 
> regular bar will be just right.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> ... I’d say to ride what you like on geared bikes.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[tc]

Brian, much appreciated. Yep, looking at your pics and estimating the 
albastaches' dimensions, I think no changes would be needed in the 
beginning just to test'em out, if I go that route.

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 8:28:46 PM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> Attaching a pic showing the cable routing after going from drop to 
> butterfly.  Never uploaded a pic here before so sorry if it doesn’t come 
> through of if it’s too big (if so I’ll delete the post) 
> Brian Cole
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1. You're not going to make it up a lot of hills with just a wider bar;
you have to adjust your climbing method and tempo and, if you do that, your
regular bar will be just right.

Sure, a wide bar like a Moustache is nice when standing and pulling hard to
grunt up a very steep climb, but this sort of climbing is such that you
won't do it for very many meters, and you'll have to get off and walk after
a relatively short distance. SS/fixed climbing involves learning to stand
and pedal aerobically, and to use your body weight to mash the pedals. That
doesn't require a wider bar.

Patrick Moore, who has used all sorts of dirt drop bars, and always comes
back to a road drop bar, in ABQ, NM.

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philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... I’d say to ride what you like on geared bikes.
>
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Tom,
When I first converted to the butterfly bar last year it was replacing a Nitto 
dirt drop bar... in this case a RM014... and with my aero levers I did not need 
to re-cable and wasn’t sure whether I’d go back to the drops or not so I left 
them as is.  In fact, the cables could have really been shortened when going 
from drop to the butterfly bar with levers positioned similarly to 
moustache/albastache so you’ll likely be fine using your brakes/cables as-is.

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[tom coppedge]

Wow thanks all for your input. For me, Albatross bars are comfortable but a
little laid back. I may try them again in the future.

Love the noodles on my Sam, and can see how they’d work nicely.

Never heard of the Osprey until now and will take a look. Kinda similar to
Ahearnes but wider.

I’m intrigued by reviews and looks of the Albastache. Sorta middle road
between Noodles and Albatross. Wondering if brake cabling length need to be
changed switching from 46 Noodles to Albastaches?



On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:09 PM tc  wrote:

> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>
> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No
> MTB trails.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Christopher Murray]

I also have a set of trekking bars in the bin. I think they are Nashbar 
branded. I did several unsupported tours with them on my Bike Friday so they 
worked but I could never get them out of the “ok” range and into the “works 
well” range. It always felt like the low part was where the high part should be 
and the high part was where the low part should be. The hand positions are 
almost the opposite of Alba’s. That said, people love this type of bars and 
I’ve seen and talked to so many people (mostly Europeans) who can’t say enough 
good things about them. I would gladly pass them along to anyone who is 
interested in trying them. 

Cheers!
Chris


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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Tom,
I’ve been testing numerous bars on my singlespeeds (not QB/SO but definitely 
inspired by those) and most recently found the moustache bar to be “nearly 
perfect” for the kind of riding you describe.  “Nearly” because I occasionally 
wished they were a bit wider and at max stem height they were just below saddle 
and I also sometimes wished they were a bit higher.  I had considered trying to 
obtain an Albastache (wider, less drop, more backsweep) which I think would 
have cured all of those occasional desires but I instead just converted to a 
Jones 2.5 riser loop 660mm wide that I recently obtained in a trade... this was 
not the original plan for the Jones but while already planning to rebuild the 
singlespeed for winter fixed mode I decided to give it a try.  With a 
threadless 90mm riser stem and 2.5” rise of the bar the grips are perfectly 
level with saddle and the extra width and sweep felt great on today’s quick 
test ride in the snow.

Just prior to the moustache I was running a butterfly/trekking bar with 
same 90mm reach stem I used for the moustache.  I loved the multi-grip 
possibilities of the trekking bar and the 56cm width but struggled to find the 
perfect fore/aft position with stems I had available and occasionally struck my 
knees on the rearward flat section on out of saddle climbs.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Tom! The New Moustache (AKA Albastache) is a delight to ride singlespeed, 
and even more so fixed. I’m not sure why, but ss I mostly rode the curves and 
only rode the more upright outter position when cruising. Nothing changed on 
the Quickbeam except going to fixed gear and now I ride the outer position most 
of the time, except in situations where I may need the front brake or I just 
want a change of position.

As for stem height and length, that is so very bike and rider variable that 
anyone’s specific numbers may be misleading for what you need, so take my 
numbers with a grain of salt. In my case I ride a 
supposedly-too-large-for-my-90cm-pbh 66cm Quickbeam, with a 5cm stem and both 
seat and stem very low, but essentially even. When I see pictures of bikes from 
the late 1800’s and early 1900’s You can see it in action in all my recent 
posts starting with my most recent one here: 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/playing-on-the-peak

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Birdman]

I'm on my second Quickbeam and although I have tried a few upright bars, I 
always come back to the wide Noodles. I love the comfortable, flat ramps 
and multiple hand positions.  I *especially* like the leverage I get when 
climbing out of the saddle with hands on the hoods, which I find I do quite 
often on SS bikes.  Whenever I switched to more upright bars, I immediately 
missed that sense of leverage/comfort when standing up to climb. 

Best,

Isaac

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Christopher Murray]

I have a pair of Nitto Dove bars on my SS that work well. They were a less 
expensive, non-bar end compatible option from Riv. I think Nitto calls them the 
North Road. I have an extra set and a Tallux stem if you are interested. The 
bars and stem are together, have some cloth tape, but have never been used 
(though they have been inserted). Let me know if you are interested. I’m sure 
we can work something out.

Cheers,
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Jim M.]

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:34:04 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> It's not particular Rivish, but I really like the Salsa Cowbell on my BMC 
> Monstercross. Wide, flared, but still comfortable on the hoods. It's a 
> great all around bar.
>
> I like the Cowbell a lot too and ran them on my QB. Enough drop for long 
downhill tucks, with plenty of leverage for uphill grunts.

jim m
walnut creek, ca 

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Eric Daume]

It's not particular Rivish, but I really like the Salsa Cowbell on my BMC
Monstercross. Wide, flared, but still comfortable on the hoods. It's a
great all around bar.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:09 PM, tc  wrote:

> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>
> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No
> MTB trails.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, I get it -- you mean wider for grunt while standing, not wider for
control. So sorry!

But I have an opinion about that, too! Yes, wider is better, up to a point;
I love the Moustache bar when I stand and climb; but I dislike it for most
other purposes. But as a largely fixed gear rider for 20 years, I find that
my 38s feel just fine when I stand, and I stand a lot, and I like standing
and climbing. (BTW, lest you think I ride a 38 cm c-c frame, the best
fitting flat tt frame I owned was 60 cm c-c. My Rivs with slightly sloping
tts are 57 and 58, c-c.) I'd not choose a ss bar just for comfort when
standing to climb. Really, I don't even think about bar width when I'm out
of the saddle on my Rivs; but I do like the narrowish width when I'm
cruising along with elbows bent and hands are on the ramps or hoods.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I don't own a QB or SO, but I do have 3 ss-ers.
>
> I find that I want the same bars, or close to the same bars, on my dirt
> road bikes as on my pavement bikes, and I've tried all sorts of bars but
> come back to my favorite, the Maes Parallel, which I have on my 2 Riv Roads
> (38 cm) as well as on the dirt road Matthews -- whopping 42 cm wide, for
> control in sandy soil; though I find when I ride my Rivs in the same
> places, it's far less the narrow bar that makes control awkward as the ~28
> mm tires that simply don't track well if the sand is deeper than 1".
>
> My 3d ss-er has the wide (for me) original edition Moustache bar, but
> that's because it's a folder, and I want something compact and as close to
> 2 dimensional as possible that at least distantly resembles a drop bar.
>
> Of course, if you are riding singletrack, then a wider bar is better --
> trying technical singletrack on my 42 cm B 135'd Fargo was rather
> anxiety-making! But if you are riding flattish, or at least straightish,
> dirt and gravel, and the surfaces are firm, I don't see why you'd need a
> wider bar ...?
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:09 AM, tc  wrote:
>
>> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
>> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
>> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
>> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>>
>> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.
>> No MTB trails.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

I don't own a QB or SO, but I do have 3 ss-ers.

I find that I want the same bars, or close to the same bars, on my dirt
road bikes as on my pavement bikes, and I've tried all sorts of bars but
come back to my favorite, the Maes Parallel, which I have on my 2 Riv Roads
(38 cm) as well as on the dirt road Matthews -- whopping 42 cm wide, for
control in sandy soil; though I find when I ride my Rivs in the same
places, it's far less the narrow bar that makes control awkward as the ~28
mm tires that simply don't track well if the sand is deeper than 1".

My 3d ss-er has the wide (for me) original edition Moustache bar, but
that's because it's a folder, and I want something compact and as close to
2 dimensional as possible that at least distantly resembles a drop bar.

Of course, if you are riding singletrack, then a wider bar is better --
trying technical singletrack on my 42 cm B 135'd Fargo was rather
anxiety-making! But if you are riding flattish, or at least straightish,
dirt and gravel, and the surfaces are firm, I don't see why you'd need a
wider bar ...?

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:09 AM, tc  wrote:

> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>
> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No
> MTB trails.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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