[TANKS] Re: its about time I got off my butt and started my building again
Good stuff Pete, looking forward to battling :) On Jan 26, 11:02 am, "Chris. b" wrote: > Looking good, the more aussie tankers the better! > > Chris. b > > On Jan 25, 7:47 pm, Pete Curran wrote: > > > Yes it has been a couple of years since I last did some work on my > > tanks, so I pulled out the S tank, welder and some steel and got back > > to work. > > I have changed my plans (2 years will do that) and will build a steel > > frame inside the tank to mount the suspension and motors too. > > >http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/McRunBeck/tanks/ > > > Pete (under construction) Curran --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: its about time I got off my butt and started my building again
Looking good, the more aussie tankers the better! Chris. b On Jan 25, 7:47 pm, Pete Curran wrote: > Yes it has been a couple of years since I last did some work on my > tanks, so I pulled out the S tank, welder and some steel and got back > to work. > I have changed my plans (2 years will do that) and will build a steel > frame inside the tank to mount the suspension and motors too. > > http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/McRunBeck/tanks/ > > Pete (under construction) Curran --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: about time I got off my butt and started working on my tanks again
What kind of mounts are you going to use for the motors? They look pretty big and pre-geared. Any specs? Tom On Jan 25, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Pete Curran wrote: > > Yes it has been a couple of years since I last did some work on my > tanks, so I pulled out the S tank, welder and some steel and got > back to work. > I have changed my plans (2 years will do that) and will build a > steel frame inside the tank to mount the suspension and motors too. > > http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/McRunBeck/tanks/ > > Pete (under construction) Curran > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] about time I got off my butt and started working on my tanks again
Yes it has been a couple of years since I last did some work on my tanks, so I pulled out the S tank, welder and some steel and got back to work. I have changed my plans (2 years will do that) and will build a steel frame inside the tank to mount the suspension and motors too. http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/McRunBeck/tanks/ Pete (under construction) Curran --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: control arms/horns
don't know, doesn't seem to list anything, i'll be emailing them in a sec to find out Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: control arms/horns
What size shaft/wire does it mount to? On Jan 25, 2009, at 3:39 PM, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote: > ah, the search is over. someone at one of the sci-fi sites i > frequent found the exact part > > Click here: Dubro Long Steering Arm > > i'll have to see how i missed it > > Chris, > Odyssey Slipways > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: control arms/horns
ah, the search is over. someone at one of the sci-fi sites i frequent found the exact part _Click here: Dubro Long Steering Arm_ (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXD849&P=7) i'll have to see how i missed it Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: control arms/horns
sorry, not the same thing, can't really secure them to a rod to make it turn this is a listing for one very close to what i am looking for. the one i am looking for (if they are still made) have about 4 holes _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260314361836_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=26031436183 6) Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) There are control horns as well... http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=&FVSEARCH=control+horN+ +&search=Go **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: Tracks are turning!
Very cool vid, I like your tank. What pitch # roller chain is that and how much do each of your tracks weigh? I will be doing the same setup it looks like. I was at Princess Auto and picked up 18 8" lawn mower wheels. So the bottom half of my Tiger II will look like a Tiger I which is ok I suppose. Will be getting roller chain in a couple of weeks and some mild steel to make my track pads out of. Just need to finish my suspension and drive train. On Jan 25, 7:07 am, NavyShooter wrote: > Xirus, > > I'm based on the east coast (Halifax area) and don't really use MSN at > all. (Not enough hours in the day for everything) > > Drop me a line at my e-mail above and we can chat that way. > > Brad > > On Jan 24, 11:36 pm, Xirus wrote: > > > Email and MSN is m_pa...@hotmail.com > > > On Jan 24, 5:07 pm, NavyShooter wrote: > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat/web/Both%20Tracks.wmv > > > > There's the video of my tracks spinning away under power for the first > > > time! > > > > Woohoo! > > > > I've started adding wood to the hull as sheathing. I've got the first > > > panel installed on the bottom, with more to follow. Life is good!- Hide > > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: It lives, Dr Frankenstein! It lives!
I think a true walking machine for outdoor terrain might require something bigger than a 1/6 human, something like a 1/6 ÜBERSCHWERER KAMPFSCHREITPANZER that was linked to in the thread about the Church Tank. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: It lives, Dr Frankenstein! It lives!
I hate exams. I got a level 2 in my French sats. and that was with a lot of revision. I like the idea of remote controlled infantry. one of my mates managed to make a walking robot with £20. it was only 10-20cms tall and he had to cut one of the gears to connect the legs t the motor by hand. The gear broke and he didn't bother buying one simply because it could only walk in a straight line. On Jan 25, 10:26 am, Chris Malton wrote: > > Chris "I want to get building again, but these damned exams are in the > way!" M > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: Tracks are turning!
Xirus, I'm based on the east coast (Halifax area) and don't really use MSN at all. (Not enough hours in the day for everything) Drop me a line at my e-mail above and we can chat that way. Brad On Jan 24, 11:36 pm, Xirus wrote: > Email and MSN is m_pa...@hotmail.com > > On Jan 24, 5:07 pm, NavyShooter wrote: > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat/web/Both%20Tracks.wmv > > > There's the video of my tracks spinning away under power for the first > > time! > > > Woohoo! > > > I've started adding wood to the hull as sheathing. I've got the first > > panel installed on the bottom, with more to follow. Life is good!- Hide > > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: control arms/horns
There are control horns as well... http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=&FVSEARCH=control+horN++&search=Go On Jan 25, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Tom Lum wrote: > > Do you mean servo arms or servo horns? > Tom > > On Jan 25, 2:11 am, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote: >> i thought they were call control arms or control horns, but after >> searching >> places like Hobby Lobby and Tower Hobbys, i am starting to think >> they may have >> just change the name of the part. >> >> it's the part one would use on a rudder of a boat or for steering >> the nose >> wheel of a plane. i recall them as being nylon with a brass sleeve >> and a short >> screw in the side to hold it in place and have between 2 to 5 holes >> in it to >> attach your cable or rod to. >> >> I looked under plane parts as well as boat parts. >> >> what i did see was a few, short arms made of all metal. if they had >> longer >> arms and more holes, they would be ideal/prefect, but not quite up >> to what i >> need from them. >> >> any ideas where i can find some? >> >> I even was looking in Du-bro site, but wasn't having much luck there >> >> Chris, >> _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html >> ) >> **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in >> just 2 easy >> steps! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?red >> ... >> cemailfooterNO62) > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: control arms/horns
Do you mean servo arms or servo horns? Tom On Jan 25, 2:11 am, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote: > i thought they were call control arms or control horns, but after searching > places like Hobby Lobby and Tower Hobbys, i am starting to think they may have > just change the name of the part. > > it's the part one would use on a rudder of a boat or for steering the nose > wheel of a plane. i recall them as being nylon with a brass sleeve and a > short > screw in the side to hold it in place and have between 2 to 5 holes in it to > attach your cable or rod to. > > I looked under plane parts as well as boat parts. > > what i did see was a few, short arms made of all metal. if they had longer > arms and more holes, they would be ideal/prefect, but not quite up to what i > need from them. > > any ideas where i can find some? > > I even was looking in Du-bro site, but wasn't having much luck there > > Chris, > _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) > **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?red... > cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: It lives, Dr Frankenstein! It lives!
Phil, AMAZING! Great idea on those keyfobs. I'd love to see how they perform. I've got enough to worry about before I can go spending on that (namely T027, and FA006, which have already cost me enough!). I'm hooked though, so what does it matter. Can't wait to see these in action. By the way, is that your new tank shed? If so, well done on finishing that. I get the impression you've got a lot of *half* finished projects (so have I mind you). Time to finish them, I guess! Well done, I look forward to seeing what else you have to offer. P.S. Did hot glue solve the castle's "self-dismantling" issue? If so, I'd like to take credit for that. Chris "I want to get building again, but these damned exams are in the way!" M Phil wrote: > It lives! > > At last I can reveal my secret project for the winter: radio- > controlled infantry! > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/sasquevaneach/SV202839.jpg > > Older members will recall that I spent some time trying to get this > working a year or so ago. > > THE DREAM > My original concept was this: A half-track would rumble up; 4 > infantrymen would debus from the back, and march (yes, march as in > walking) to attack an enemy tank. 2 or 3 of the chaps might be shot, > but 1 or 2 would get through to beat up the enemy. Yeh, right. > > I spent some time trying to get a walking robot to work, and I got as > far as this:http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/sasquevaneach/ > Robot1001.jpg This would walk- just about- if you held it up so as not > to put any weight on it, and might be developed into something that > might work- just- on a nice flat table. However, working on a bumpy > field, and in conjunction with heavy radio-controlled tanks which > might occasionally bump into it, was clearly going to be impossible. > > I found a walking figure for £600, but I it looked fairly fragile. Not > the thing with Neil’s “challenged” driving skills anyway. Oh, here’s a > silly picture: > > http://www.robothut.robotnut.com/atomicbat.html > > Not entirely suitable. > > I tried various layouts for soldiers with wheels instead of legs, or > even tracks, but nothing that didn’t look, as my wife put it, “like a > tank with a head stuck on top”. > > I then went on to building tanks, but still pondered on infantry… > > ON THE ROLE OF INFANTRY ON THE RADIO-CONTROLLED BATTLEFIELD > On a real battlefield, infantry have always been able to attack and > destroy tanks. A rifle bullet inside a tank will ping around until it > hits something sticky. An anti-tank rifle, bazooka, panzerfaust or RPG > can attack it through armour. In WWII a Japanese officer leapt out of > the jungle, jumped on a tank and got the commander and gunner with his > katana. He was poking around inside for the radio operator when the > latter shot him (My father was a tank radio operator in Burma, and > told me the story- it wasn’t him though). > > From the point of view of a tank crew, infantry are virtually > invisible when hiding on cover; easy to kill when moving; and > dangerous when close. From the point of view of rc tank combat, that > translates as equivalent to a self-operating mine- a stationery single- > shot weapon with a degree of aiming- as envisaged in the rules. > > Trouble is though, I’m not interested in stationery things. I want it > to move. The one thing I didn’t want was to have a figure standing on > a powered base, like a wargames figure. > > The figure > OK as you can see I went with a powered base. The motors are these : > http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=43357&DOY=23m1#specifi > motors- the 30:1 ones similar to those we usually use for traversing > and suchlike- and the batteries will be 8 x 1.5 V 2,300 mAh > rechargeables. These are stacked inside the figures legs- in later > models I might try to get them under the base, which will increase > stability (and appearance) at the expense of ground clearance. I > considered having a separate 12V mini-battery for the radio, but > haven’t at the moment. > > ON RADIO CONTROL > I went for these key-fob transmitters: > http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=30323&doy=22m3 > You’re probably wondering why I didn’t go for a straightforward rc > unit using servos (adapted for continuous movement) for power. The > point is that I don’t see infantry on the RC battlefield as just tiny > slow single-shot tanks. To put it another way, I don’t want to play > with one soldier, but a whole army (well, say, 2 or 4) bwahahah! OK > sorry about that but with these controllers- which are coded- I can > have 4 separately controlled figures each with a separate controller, > and a 5th master controlled keyed to all 4 so that I can control them > separately or together (SQAUD left turn!) This was 1 or 2 can get shot > but the rest can carry on. A little- just a little- like real life. > > WEAPONS SYSTEM > My first thought was a spring-loaded bazooka. Springs are much less > trouble than compressed air
[TANKS] its about time I got off my butt and started my building again
Yes it has been a couple of years since I last did some work on my tanks, so I pulled out the S tank, welder and some steel and got back to work. I have changed my plans (2 years will do that) and will build a steel frame inside the tank to mount the suspension and motors too. http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/McRunBeck/tanks/ Pete (under construction) Curran --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] It lives, Dr Frankenstein! It lives!
It lives! At last I can reveal my secret project for the winter: radio- controlled infantry! http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/sasquevaneach/SV202839.jpg Older members will recall that I spent some time trying to get this working a year or so ago. THE DREAM My original concept was this: A half-track would rumble up; 4 infantrymen would debus from the back, and march (yes, march as in walking) to attack an enemy tank. 2 or 3 of the chaps might be shot, but 1 or 2 would get through to beat up the enemy. Yeh, right. I spent some time trying to get a walking robot to work, and I got as far as this:http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/sasquevaneach/ Robot1001.jpg This would walk- just about- if you held it up so as not to put any weight on it, and might be developed into something that might work- just- on a nice flat table. However, working on a bumpy field, and in conjunction with heavy radio-controlled tanks which might occasionally bump into it, was clearly going to be impossible. I found a walking figure for £600, but I it looked fairly fragile. Not the thing with Neil’s “challenged” driving skills anyway. Oh, here’s a silly picture: http://www.robothut.robotnut.com/atomicbat.html Not entirely suitable. I tried various layouts for soldiers with wheels instead of legs, or even tracks, but nothing that didn’t look, as my wife put it, “like a tank with a head stuck on top”. I then went on to building tanks, but still pondered on infantry… ON THE ROLE OF INFANTRY ON THE RADIO-CONTROLLED BATTLEFIELD On a real battlefield, infantry have always been able to attack and destroy tanks. A rifle bullet inside a tank will ping around until it hits something sticky. An anti-tank rifle, bazooka, panzerfaust or RPG can attack it through armour. In WWII a Japanese officer leapt out of the jungle, jumped on a tank and got the commander and gunner with his katana. He was poking around inside for the radio operator when the latter shot him (My father was a tank radio operator in Burma, and told me the story- it wasn’t him though). >From the point of view of a tank crew, infantry are virtually invisible when hiding on cover; easy to kill when moving; and dangerous when close. From the point of view of rc tank combat, that translates as equivalent to a self-operating mine- a stationery single- shot weapon with a degree of aiming- as envisaged in the rules. Trouble is though, I’m not interested in stationery things. I want it to move. The one thing I didn’t want was to have a figure standing on a powered base, like a wargames figure. The figure OK as you can see I went with a powered base. The motors are these : http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=43357&DOY=23m1#specifi motors- the 30:1 ones similar to those we usually use for traversing and suchlike- and the batteries will be 8 x 1.5 V 2,300 mAh rechargeables. These are stacked inside the figures legs- in later models I might try to get them under the base, which will increase stability (and appearance) at the expense of ground clearance. I considered having a separate 12V mini-battery for the radio, but haven’t at the moment. ON RADIO CONTROL I went for these key-fob transmitters: http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=30323&doy=22m3 You’re probably wondering why I didn’t go for a straightforward rc unit using servos (adapted for continuous movement) for power. The point is that I don’t see infantry on the RC battlefield as just tiny slow single-shot tanks. To put it another way, I don’t want to play with one soldier, but a whole army (well, say, 2 or 4) bwahahah! OK sorry about that but with these controllers- which are coded- I can have 4 separately controlled figures each with a separate controller, and a 5th master controlled keyed to all 4 so that I can control them separately or together (SQAUD left turn!) This was 1 or 2 can get shot but the rest can carry on. A little- just a little- like real life. WEAPONS SYSTEM My first thought was a spring-loaded bazooka. Springs are much less trouble than compressed air, I think. The only trouble is that I didn’t feel that a bazooka would really look right- I couldn’t see a standing figure charging across the battlefield with a shouldered bazooka, and if he was in the kneeling position then my opponents would say that he wasn’t really a big enough target. Another problem is that it could only be single-shot. Now, the rules assume single-shot but while that is fine for static models but imagine going to the trouble of creating a squad of moving infantrymen who charge up in a half-track, debus, charge tanks/guns Somme-style, losing 3 of their number, then arrive within their (very short) range then oops miss so let’s go home again. I think he should get a 2nd shot. I had an idea based on a medieval trebuchet- a spinning arm with 3 or 4 paintballs inside it- but having realised that that would never work I went for torsion-power, using pieces of luggage elastic. If you look at the left a
[TANKS] Re: control arms/horns
Try servocity.com they have most things to do with RC movement. Chris. b On Jan 25, 5:11 pm, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote: > i thought they were call control arms or control horns, but after searching > places like Hobby Lobby and Tower Hobbys, i am starting to think they may have > just change the name of the part. > > it's the part one would use on a rudder of a boat or for steering the nose > wheel of a plane. i recall them as being nylon with a brass sleeve and a > short > screw in the side to hold it in place and have between 2 to 5 holes in it to > attach your cable or rod to. > > I looked under plane parts as well as boat parts. > > what i did see was a few, short arms made of all metal. if they had longer > arms and more holes, they would be ideal/prefect, but not quite up to what i > need from them. > > any ideas where i can find some? > > I even was looking in Du-bro site, but wasn't having much luck there > > Chris, > _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) > **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?red... > cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
