[TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread TyngTech
These prototype questions come up every so often.  I was wondering, to 
those lurkers (and not-so lurkers) on the list.  How many of you would 
actually complete a combat ready tank if you could build that E-100, PL-01, 
or any other proto-design that's been discussed over the years?  Go ahead, 
be honest.

Steve Tyng


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Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread isaac goldman
^^ Stop telling us to put our money where our mouths are :P Id like to
build an E50 if the rules allowed it, but im not especially bothered they
dont, and even if they did id be in no rush to start...

There are two reasons imo why the super-heavy tanks are unlikely to work
well in the meta-game.
Firstly, same problems as real life; slow, cumbersome, big target, dont
like mud and soft ground etc.
Secondly, they are huge for no advantage in the game per the rules. If we
added a defensive rating of 5 for tanks that were over 100 tons (not that
im advocating this directly, just pointing out an option), then at least
there would be some advantage to being the size of a duplex...




On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, TyngTech  wrote:

> These prototype questions come up every so often.  I was wondering, to
> those lurkers (and not-so lurkers) on the list.  How many of you would
> actually complete a combat ready tank if you could build that E-100, PL-01,
> or any other proto-design that's been discussed over the years?  Go ahead,
> be honest.
>
> Steve Tyng
>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread Mike Mangus
 
 Think I have to respectfully disagree that they are a disadvantage.  The 
super-heavies can be built to the 36" rule versus the 1/6th rule.  That would 
lighten the tank considerably. 
 
 That is the beauty of the rules as they stand.  A person can build a tank for 
playbility, scaled realism, or even both.  Before building my first tank, I was 
fretting about which tank to build that would not give me a disadvantage.  
After finally making a battle, I see that tank choice is really more about 
building what I like and overcoming the obstacles of getting it built more than 
what advantage/disadvantage the tank might possibly have on the field.  In the 
end, just making a battle with my own tank was a better reward than waiting to 
build the "perfect" tank.
 
 As for Steve's question:  in all honestly I would like to build a prototype 
vehicle, but realistically know that it wouldn't happen soon or even within the 
next few years even if protos are approved for the game.
 
Mike
 

From: isaac goldman 
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Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100



^^ Stop telling us to put our money where our mouths are :P Id like to build an 
E50 if the rules allowed it, but im not especially bothered they dont, and even 
if they did id be in no rush to start... 

There are two reasons imo why the super-heavy tanks are unlikely to work well 
in the meta-game. 
Firstly, same problems as real life; slow, cumbersome, big target, dont like 
mud and soft ground etc.
Secondly, they are huge for no advantage in the game per the rules. If we added 
a defensive rating of 5 for tanks that were over 100 tons (not that im 
advocating this directly, just pointing out an option), then at least there 
would be some advantage to being the size of a duplex...





On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, TyngTech  wrote:

These prototype questions come up every so often.  I was wondering, to those 
lurkers (and not-so lurkers) on the list.  How many of you would actually 
complete a combat ready tank if you could build that E-100, PL-01, or any other 
proto-design that's been discussed over the years?  Go ahead, be honest. 
>
>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread isaac goldman
Even if you build for the 36 inch rule, you still need to scale the other
dimensions appropriately; height and width must be scaled down to match the
scale. The result is still a large target silhouette from the side and
rear...


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Mike Mangus  wrote:

>
>  Think I have to respectfully disagree that they are a disadvantage.  The
> super-heavies can be built to the 36" rule versus the 1/6th rule.  That
> would lighten the tank considerably.
>
>  That is the beauty of the rules as they stand.  A person can build a tank
> for playbility, scaled realism, or even both.  Before building my first
> tank, I was fretting about which tank to build that would not give me a
> disadvantage.  After finally making a battle, I see that tank choice is
> really more about building what I like and overcoming the obstacles of
> getting it built more than what advantage/disadvantage the tank might
> possibly have on the field.  In the end, just making a battle with my own
> tank was a better reward than waiting to build the "perfect" tank.
>
>  As for Steve's question:  in all honestly I would like to build a
> prototype vehicle, but realistically know that it wouldn't happen soon or
> even within the next few years even if protos are approved for the game.
>
> Mike
>
>
>   *From:* isaac goldman 
> *To:* rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2013 11:00 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100
>
>  ^^ Stop telling us to put our money where our mouths are :P Id like to
> build an E50 if the rules allowed it, but im not especially bothered they
> dont, and even if they did id be in no rush to start...
>
> There are two reasons imo why the super-heavy tanks are unlikely to work
> well in the meta-game.
> Firstly, same problems as real life; slow, cumbersome, big target, dont
> like mud and soft ground etc.
> Secondly, they are huge for no advantage in the game per the rules. If we
> added a defensive rating of 5 for tanks that were over 100 tons (not that
> im advocating this directly, just pointing out an option), then at least
> there would be some advantage to being the size of a duplex...
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, TyngTech  wrote:
>
> These prototype questions come up every so often.  I was wondering, to
> those lurkers (and not-so lurkers) on the list.  How many of you would
> actually complete a combat ready tank if you could build that E-100, PL-01,
> or any other proto-design that's been discussed over the years?  Go ahead,
> be honest.
>
> Steve Tyng
>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread isaac goldman
I should specify having said the above that I agree with you the rules are
well written from the standpoint that it matters only slightly what tank I
build, and when its from. My t34-85 wont be outclassed by the guy who built
an M103


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:44 PM, isaac goldman wrote:

> Even if you build for the 36 inch rule, you still need to scale the other
> dimensions appropriately; height and width must be scaled down to match the
> scale. The result is still a large target silhouette from the side and
> rear...
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Mike Mangus  wrote:
>
>>
>>  Think I have to respectfully disagree that they are a disadvantage.  The
>> super-heavies can be built to the 36" rule versus the 1/6th rule.  That
>> would lighten the tank considerably.
>>
>>  That is the beauty of the rules as they stand.  A person can build a
>> tank for playbility, scaled realism, or even both.  Before building my
>> first tank, I was fretting about which tank to build that would not give me
>> a disadvantage.  After finally making a battle, I see that tank choice is
>> really more about building what I like and overcoming the obstacles of
>> getting it built more than what advantage/disadvantage the tank might
>> possibly have on the field.  In the end, just making a battle with my own
>> tank was a better reward than waiting to build the "perfect" tank.
>>
>>  As for Steve's question:  in all honestly I would like to build a
>> prototype vehicle, but realistically know that it wouldn't happen soon or
>> even within the next few years even if protos are approved for the game.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>   *From:* isaac goldman 
>> *To:* rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2013 11:00 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100
>>
>>  ^^ Stop telling us to put our money where our mouths are :P Id like to
>> build an E50 if the rules allowed it, but im not especially bothered they
>> dont, and even if they did id be in no rush to start...
>>
>> There are two reasons imo why the super-heavy tanks are unlikely to work
>> well in the meta-game.
>> Firstly, same problems as real life; slow, cumbersome, big target, dont
>> like mud and soft ground etc.
>> Secondly, they are huge for no advantage in the game per the rules. If we
>> added a defensive rating of 5 for tanks that were over 100 tons (not that
>> im advocating this directly, just pointing out an option), then at least
>> there would be some advantage to being the size of a duplex...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, TyngTech  wrote:
>>
>> These prototype questions come up every so often.  I was wondering, to
>> those lurkers (and not-so lurkers) on the list.  How many of you would
>> actually complete a combat ready tank if you could build that E-100, PL-01,
>> or any other proto-design that's been discussed over the years?  Go ahead,
>> be honest.
>>
>> Steve Tyng
>>
>>
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[TANKS] The Silent Brother Speaks

2013-12-16 Thread Paul
Tankers,

I've seen a flurry of recent posts discussing the merits of different types and 
styles of tanks. As one of the tankers who had a 36" scale Russian heavy tank, 
T018 - KV-1, current owner of one of the smallest 1/6 scale German tank, T077 - 
Panzer II, and in the process of building a 36" scale American monster, M60A3, 
I've found that the following three factors are what I most worry about:

(1) Reliability of the tank when operated under battle conditions,
(2) Accuracy in firing paint at the adversary, and
(3) Efficiency in reincarnation.

In fact, I would say that the above list is prioritized with reliability being 
most important. Basically, if your tank can operate in whatever conditions we 
battle in, you're bound to have a good time and score some hits. I'm not proud 
and will gladly score the "mercy" kill when someone throws a track, we 
determine that their ball feed is no longer working, their gun is misfiring, or 
my favorite, their battery cut-off cut-off because they hit a tree backing up! 
Given that some of the venerable tanks (Tiger T001, Hetzer T010, T026 SU-100, 
and T040 Cromwell) are definitely showing their age, having a tank that is 
reliable on the battle field is key.

Accuracy for me is all about being able to quickly line up a target, fire, 
adjust, fire again, and then get moving! The tank destroyer gang enjoy the 
slow, get in your face, first one to budge is going to get blasted, style of 
battle. In either case, it's your ability to line up a target and fire before 
someone else does the same to you.

Lastly, regardless of whether you have a small tank, large tank, fast tank or 
slow tank, you're going to get painted. Therefore, the ability to quickly get 
back to base, clean off the offensive goo, reload and get back into the battle 
is important.

The above is offered for consideration. Bottomline: Build the type of tank you 
like, but be mindful of what it takes to survive the battle.

Paul

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RE: [TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread Guy Gregoire
Me I have one E-100  started already, I just love its rounded side hull.
Its 1/6 scale and... its big yes... but I don't care, as honestly I don't plan 
to use it in combat... 
even if it will be in working condition, RC and Marker.  I have a 1/6 KT that 
run wonderfully.
 
I have no doubt that if I show up with the E-100 I will be able to use it... 
even if for some
burocratic reason he don't register his hits and disses... after all .. the 
pleasure
of running it in the grass and fight... even if it offer the biggest target 
ever.. would be of far
superior interest than its entry in the book of record.

 As we speak.. only the frame of the lower hull of the E-100 is build, and its 
getting cold to do more for the winter, but next summer it will be the first 
thing I work on.
 
From: panthergol...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:46:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com

I should specify having said the above that I agree with you the rules are well 
written from the standpoint that it matters only slightly what tank I build, 
and when its from. My t34-85 wont be outclassed by the guy who built an M103 



On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:44 PM, isaac goldman  wrote:


Even if you build for the 36 inch rule, you still need to scale the other 
dimensions appropriately; height and width must be scaled down to match the 
scale. The result is still a large target silhouette from the side and rear...




On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Mike Mangus  wrote:



 
 Think I have to respectfully disagree that they are a disadvantage.  The 
super-heavies can be built to the 36" rule versus the 1/6th rule.  That would 
lighten the tank considerably. 
 
 That is the beauty of the rules as they stand.  A person can build a tank for 
playbility, scaled realism, or even both.  Before building my first tank, I was 
fretting about which tank to build that would not give me a disadvantage.  
After finally making a battle, I see that tank choice is really more about 
building what I like and overcoming the obstacles of getting it built more than 
what advantage/disadvantage the tank might possibly have on the field.  In the 
end, just making a battle with my own tank was a better reward than waiting to 
build the "perfect" tank.



 
 As for Steve's question:  in all honestly I would like to build a prototype 
vehicle, but realistically know that it wouldn't happen soon or even within the 
next few years even if protos are approved for the game.



 
Mike
 








From: isaac goldman 
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com 



Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100




^^ Stop telling us to put our money where our mouths are :P Id like to build an 
E50 if the rules allowed it, but im not especially bothered they dont, and even 
if they did id be in no rush to start...


There are two reasons imo why the super-heavy tanks are unlikely to work well 
in the meta-game. 
Firstly, same problems as real life; slow, cumbersome, big target, dont like 
mud and soft ground etc.
Secondly, they are huge for no advantage in the game per the rules. If we added 
a defensive rating of 5 for tanks that were over 100 tons (not that im 
advocating this directly, just pointing out an option), then at least there 
would be some advantage to being the size of a duplex...










On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, TyngTech  wrote:


These prototype questions come up every so often.  I was wondering, to those 
lurkers (and not-so lurkers) on the list.  How many of you would actually 
complete a combat ready tank if you could build that E-100, PL-01, or any other 
proto-design that's been discussed over the years?  Go ahead, be honest.


Steve Tyng





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Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
I will build a Maus one day in 1/6th scale just because I want to (maybe to
pull tree stumps, lol), but finances and marital situation have stalled
most of my forward tank progress.  I'm away from my tools all week and on
the weekends there always seems to be some teenage daughter activities or
household operational issues finding time to work on the tanks.  New shoes
for the Miata will take precedence over buying the new batteries for the
KV-2, etc, etc  Also with no operational tanks near me, a battle is
merely a pipe dream at this point.

Derek


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Guy Gregoire wrote:

> Me I have one E-100  started already, I just love its rounded side hull.
> Its 1/6 scale and... its big yes... but I don't care, as honestly I don't
> plan to use it in combat...
> even if it will be in working condition, RC and Marker.  I have a 1/6 KT
> that run wonderfully.
>
> I have no doubt that if I show up with the E-100 I will be able to use
> it... even if for some
> burocratic reason he don't register his hits and disses... after all ..
> the pleasure
> of running it in the grass and fight... even if it offer the biggest
> target ever.. would be of far
> superior interest than its entry in the book of record.
>
>  As we speak.. only the frame of the lower hull of the E-100 is build, and
> its getting cold to do more for the winter, but next summer it will be the
> first thing I work on.
>
> --
> From: panthergol...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:46:04 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100
> To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I should specify having said the above that I agree with you the rules are
> well written from the standpoint that it matters only slightly what tank I
> build, and when its from. My t34-85 wont be outclassed by the guy who built
> an M103
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:44 PM, isaac goldman wrote:
>
> Even if you build for the 36 inch rule, you still need to scale the other
> dimensions appropriately; height and width must be scaled down to match the
> scale. The result is still a large target silhouette from the side and
> rear...
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Mike Mangus  wrote:
>
>
>  Think I have to respectfully disagree that they are a disadvantage.  The
> super-heavies can be built to the 36" rule versus the 1/6th rule.  That
> would lighten the tank considerably.
>
>  That is the beauty of the rules as they stand.  A person can build a tank
> for playbility, scaled realism, or even both.  Before building my first
> tank, I was fretting about which tank to build that would not give me a
> disadvantage.  After finally making a battle, I see that tank choice is
> really more about building what I like and overcoming the obstacles of
> getting it built more than what advantage/disadvantage the tank might
> possibly have on the field.  In the end, just making a battle with my own
> tank was a better reward than waiting to build the "perfect" tank.
>
>  As for Steve's question:  in all honestly I would like to build a
> prototype vehicle, but realistically know that it wouldn't happen soon or
> even within the next few years even if protos are approved for the game.
>
> Mike
>
>
>   *From:* isaac goldman 
> *To:* rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2013 11:00 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100
>
>  ^^ Stop telling us to put our money where our mouths are :P Id like to
> build an E50 if the rules allowed it, but im not especially bothered they
> dont, and even if they did id be in no rush to start...
>
> There are two reasons imo why the super-heavy tanks are unlikely to work
> well in the meta-game.
> Firstly, same problems as real life; slow, cumbersome, big target, dont
> like mud and soft ground etc.
> Secondly, they are huge for no advantage in the game per the rules. If we
> added a defensive rating of 5 for tanks that were over 100 tons (not that
> im advocating this directly, just pointing out an option), then at least
> there would be some advantage to being the size of a duplex...
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, TyngTech  wrote:
>
> These prototype questions come up every so often.  I was wondering, to
> those lurkers (and not-so lurkers) on the list.  How many of you would
> actually complete a combat ready tank if you could build that E-100, PL-01,
> or any other proto-design that's been discussed over the years?  Go ahead,
> be honest.
>
> Steve Tyng
>
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[TANKS] Re: The Silent Brother Speaks

2013-12-16 Thread Fred Thomson


Very wise words, Paul.

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[TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread Fred Thomson


 Personally, I would not as there are many great production models 
available. Besides, having built the Bulldog (R.I.P. sniff, sniff), 
finished the Hetzer, started both the Ariete and Stug the one thing I have 
learned: The more complicated the tank the harder it is to build and the 
easier it breaks.

Cheers,
Fred

p.s. Merry Christmas everybody.

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Re: [TANKS] Re: The E-100

2013-12-16 Thread isaac goldman
@Guy

Considering how beautiful your Tiger II looks, I cant wait to see the E100
when its finished. Is it going to keep the K.T. company in the sitting room?


I certainly wont deny there are a lot of good production vehicles to choose
from already. Some vehicles, and im sure we all have a personal favourite
(the information as to which we jealously guard as being our top secret
super tank) , made it to design or trial but never went on to serial
production. Perhaps for nostalgia, perhaps for what they represent, they
call to us (and Rohan shall answer :) ).


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Fred Thomson wrote:

>
>
>  Personally, I would not as there are many great production models
> available. Besides, having built the Bulldog (R.I.P. sniff, sniff),
> finished the Hetzer, started both the Ariete and Stug the one thing I have
> learned: The more complicated the tank the harder it is to build and the
> easier it breaks.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>
> p.s. Merry Christmas everybody.
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