[TANKS] Re: CO2 versus Compressed Air
There are some simple ways to alleviate many of the drawbacks of Co2. An anti-syphon tube in your bottle will stop your gun sucking liquid Co2 but it needs to be set up correctly according to how the bottle is fixed in the tank. This will stop your gun freezing in all but the coldest weather. The addition of a remote hose between the tank and the gun will also help a lot. As for burst valves blowing, I've had one go in almost 30 years of playing paintball and that was caused by leaving it in the footwell of the car with the heater blowing hot air on it. It filled the car with fizzy vapour while I was doing 70 on the M56. The solution is not to leave your bottles in full sunlight or in the stream of hot air from your cars heater. If the burst disc does blow, they are pennies to replace and can be done easily in the field with the right size spanner. On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:07 PM UTC, Loic atFOA wrote: http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Tiger%20Side.jpg http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Tiger%20Turret%20Layout.jpg http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Tiger%20Front.jpg Fellow Tankers, I have listed below my findings between HPA (high pressure Air) and CO2. I know our hobby uses CO2 mainly. I just found out at great expense of time that under current cold air in Utah, my CO2 feed did not work properly, freezing/breaking paintballs and throwing dry ice through the barrel. I'm interested to post my findings on FOA website, but before I'd like to share it with you guys, hobbyist with much more experience on the specific field of Combat Tanks. Just for fun, I'm adding a few photos of the interior of our new ABS/metal Tiger I. You can see the QLoader and the coaxial laser pointer, which both work well. I have re-designed the T087 I took to Gettysburg last fall, and would like to replace it with our new ABS/inner metal frame Tiger I Ausf.E which photos I have attached. I will post videos of this tank performance in the next few days. The laser works great, the paintball is now fixed, and the radio has the two push buttons Tyng Tech suggested in one of his do it yourself posts. The new T087 has: MPSS Individual Suspension System TTMS Motorization System TTRS Turret Rotation System TTES Gun Elevation System CLPS Coaxial Laser Pointer System ECS Electronic Control System QLoader Paintball Feed Cheers from Utah HPA (High Pressure Air ) versus CO2 CO2 - Cost effective - Smaller tanks than HPA - Lighter tanks than HPA - Easy to refill (Paintball shop, Sporting Good Store, and Fire Extinguisher Refill stations) - Do not require regulators - Do not require re-testing and re-certification Drawbacks - Cools at it expands - affecting accuracy on extensive rapid fire - Cannot be used in cold weather - noticeable dry ice flying from barrel - Bottle is inclined to avoid liquid CO2 in marker, freezing O-rings and solenoids. Paintball will break easily when frozen. - Danger of bursting the relief valve if the tank is exposed to Sun. Valve will have to be replaced. - Should not be overfilled. Estimated Shots per tank Shots per tank depends on the velocity of your marker, barrel length, and outside temperature Size Weight Aluminum (lbs) Shots 3.5-oz 0.2 150 9-oz 0.6 350 12-oz 0.75 600 14-oz 0.875 700 16-oz 1.0 800 20-oz 1.25 1100 HPA (High Pressure Air) - All-weather performance - Regulator (allows to know when the tank is full) - Can position cylinder in any position Drawbacks - Lack of refill stations (Paintball Shops Scuba Fill Stations) - Larger tanks than CO2 - Heavier than CO2 - Fewer shots per tank than CO2 - More expensive to purchase - Re-tested and re-certified every 3-5 years ($20-$40) Estimated Shots per tank Shots per tank depends on the velocity of your marker, barrel length, and outside temperature Size (-cu) Weight Steel (lbs) Shots (psi) 3000 4500 45-cu 2.7 450 675 68-cu 2.3 680 1020 88-cu 2.3 Carbon Fiber 880 1320 96-cu 960 1440 110-cu 1100 1650 -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TANKS] Re: CO2 versus Compressed Air
If the tank was properly filled the heat from a car heater should be nowhere near enough heat to pop a burst disc. There was a rash of defective burst discs I heard about a few years back...maybe you had one of those CO2 paint ball cylinders at room temp at about 900psi Their burst discs are rated at 3000psi You'd have to get it well hotter than a car heater can achieve to get the psi high enough to pop the disc Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: pureteenl...@hotmail.com Sender: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:13:06 To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Subject: [TANKS] Re: CO2 versus Compressed Air There are some simple ways to alleviate many of the drawbacks of Co2. An anti-syphon tube in your bottle will stop your gun sucking liquid Co2 but it needs to be set up correctly according to how the bottle is fixed in the tank. This will stop your gun freezing in all but the coldest weather. The addition of a remote hose between the tank and the gun will also help a lot. As for burst valves blowing, I've had one go in almost 30 years of playing paintball and that was caused by leaving it in the footwell of the car with the heater blowing hot air on it. It filled the car with fizzy vapour while I was doing 70 on the M56. The solution is not to leave your bottles in full sunlight or in the stream of hot air from your cars heater. If the burst disc does blow, they are pennies to replace and can be done easily in the field with the right size spanner. On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:07 PM UTC, Loic atFOA wrote: http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Tiger%20Side.jpg http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Tiger%20Turret%20Layout.jpg http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Tiger%20Front.jpg Fellow Tankers, I have listed below my findings between HPA (high pressure Air) and CO2. I know our hobby uses CO2 mainly. I just found out at great expense of time that under current cold air in Utah, my CO2 feed did not work properly, freezing/breaking paintballs and throwing dry ice through the barrel. I'm interested to post my findings on FOA website, but before I'd like to share it with you guys, hobbyist with much more experience on the specific field of Combat Tanks. Just for fun, I'm adding a few photos of the interior of our new ABS/metal Tiger I. You can see the QLoader and the coaxial laser pointer, which both work well. I have re-designed the T087 I took to Gettysburg last fall, and would like to replace it with our new ABS/inner metal frame Tiger I Ausf.E which photos I have attached. I will post videos of this tank performance in the next few days. The laser works great, the paintball is now fixed, and the radio has the two push buttons Tyng Tech suggested in one of his do it yourself posts. The new T087 has: MPSS Individual Suspension System TTMS Motorization System TTRS Turret Rotation System TTES Gun Elevation System CLPS Coaxial Laser Pointer System ECS Electronic Control System QLoader Paintball Feed Cheers from Utah HPA (High Pressure Air ) versus CO2 CO2 - Cost effective - Smaller tanks than HPA - Lighter tanks than HPA - Easy to refill (Paintball shop, Sporting Good Store, and Fire Extinguisher Refill stations) - Do not require regulators - Do not require re-testing and re-certification Drawbacks - Cools at it expands - affecting accuracy on extensive rapid fire - Cannot be used in cold weather - noticeable dry ice flying from barrel - Bottle is inclined to avoid liquid CO2 in marker, freezing O-rings and solenoids. Paintball will break easily when frozen. - Danger of bursting the relief valve if the tank is exposed to Sun. Valve will have to be replaced. - Should not be overfilled. Estimated Shots per tank Shots per tank depends on the velocity of your marker, barrel length, and outside temperature Size Weight Aluminum (lbs) Shots 3.5-oz 0.2 150 9-oz 0.6 350 12-oz 0.75 600 14-oz 0.875 700 16-oz 1.0 800 20-oz 1.25 1100 HPA (High Pressure Air) - All-weather performance - Regulator (allows to know when the tank is full) - Can position cylinder in any position Drawbacks - Lack of refill stations (Paintball Shops Scuba Fill Stations) - Larger tanks than CO2 - Heavier than CO2 - Fewer shots per tank than CO2 - More expensive to purchase - Re-tested and re-certified every 3-5 years ($20-$40) Estimated Shots per tank Shots per tank depends on the velocity of your marker, barrel length, and outside temperature Size (-cu) Weight Steel (lbs) Shots (psi) 3000 4500 45-cu 2.7 450 675 68-cu 2.3 680 1020 88-cu 2.3 Carbon Fiber 880 1320 96-cu 960 1440 110-cu 1100 1650 -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To
Re: [TANKS] Re: CO2 versus Compressed Air
Co2 under 2 in diameter and any length do not need retesting. All others of larger diameters do... Last time I checked (a year ago). Mike Butts On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Mike Lyons mxly...@cox.net wrote: I believe CO2 tanks need re-testing with perhaps an exception for steel or aluminum tanks under 2 diameter and 2' length (and even that may be old information). On Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:01:07 PM UTC-5, Loic atFOA wrote: ... CO2 - Do not require re-testing and re-certification ... -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
