Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Pete Arundel]

Well if anyone manages to replicate the suspension and steering mechanisms 
on it I'll take my hat off to them!


On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:13:36 AM UTC, su100t34 wrote:
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> Bingo 
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>  Original message 
> From: Pete Arundel 
> Date:11/07/2015 4:16 PM (GMT-05:00) 
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> Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers 
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> Tetrarch?
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 4:22:49 PM UTC, su100t34 wrote:
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>> Tank hull for sale .Includes upper and lower tread molds and some already 
>> made. 8 Wheels and axles with steel framework welded by Frank. $150 plus 
>> shipping. 
>>
>> Will Montgomery 
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>>  Original message ----
>> From: Caleb Smith <3219...@gmail.com> 
>> Date:11/03/2015 9:19 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: R/C Tank Combat 
>> Subject: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers 
>>
>> "if you manage to fit a full sized marker in 8 and 1/4 inch, then well 
>> done you."
>>
>> I 'hope' I can fit it. It is going to be tight. I'm using a CAD program 
>> to see how thing will have to be positioned.  I'm also looking into 
>> possibly having the suspension plasma cut.  If I can get it cut, the 
>> suspension will mimick the real deal. If not, I have a more simplified 
>> suspension in mind that will be easier to produce but will only look like 
>> the real deal, not work like it.
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Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Pete Arundel]

Tetrarch?

On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 4:22:49 PM UTC, su100t34 wrote:
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> Tank hull for sale .Includes upper and lower tread molds and some already 
> made. 8 Wheels and axles with steel framework welded by Frank. $150 plus 
> shipping. 
>
> Will Montgomery 
>
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> Sent on a Virgin Mobile Samsung Galaxy S® III
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>  Original message 
> From: Caleb Smith <3219...@gmail.com > 
> Date:11/03/2015 9:19 PM (GMT-05:00) 
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> Subject: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers 
>
> "if you manage to fit a full sized marker in 8 and 1/4 inch, then well 
> done you."
>
> I 'hope' I can fit it. It is going to be tight. I'm using a CAD program to 
> see how thing will have to be positioned.  I'm also looking into possibly 
> having the suspension plasma cut.  If I can get it cut, the suspension will 
> mimick the real deal. If not, I have a more simplified suspension in mind 
> that will be easier to produce but will only look like the real deal, not 
> work like it.
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RE: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Doug Conn]

I wondered what happened to that WIP tank.

 

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Subject: RE: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

 

Tank hull for sale .Includes upper and lower tread molds and some already made. 
8 Wheels and axles with steel framework welded by Frank. $150 plus shipping. 

 

Will Montgomery 

 

 

 

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 Original message 

From: Caleb Smith 

Date:11/03/2015 9:19 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: R/C Tank Combat 

Subject: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers 

 

"if you manage to fit a full sized marker in 8 and 1/4 inch, then well done 
you."

I 'hope' I can fit it. It is going to be tight. I'm using a CAD program to see 
how thing will have to be positioned.  I'm also looking into possibly having 
the suspension plasma cut.  If I can get it cut, the suspension will mimick the 
real deal. If not, I have a more simplified suspension in mind that will be 
easier to produce but will only look like the real deal, not work like it.

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RE: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Scott Larson]

Where are you located? I'm nuying this from you.

Thanks
On Nov 7, 2015 10:22 AM, "'wsmontg5' via R/C Tank Combat" <
rctankcombat@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Tank hull for sale .Includes upper and lower tread molds and some already
> made. 8 Wheels and axles with steel framework welded by Frank. $150 plus
> shipping.
>
> Will Montgomery
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> Sent on a Virgin Mobile Samsung Galaxy S® III
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>  Original message 
> From: Caleb Smith <3219ca...@gmail.com>
> Date:11/03/2015 9:19 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: R/C Tank Combat
> Subject: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers
>
> "if you manage to fit a full sized marker in 8 and 1/4 inch, then well
> done you."
>
> I 'hope' I can fit it. It is going to be tight. I'm using a CAD program to
> see how thing will have to be positioned.  I'm also looking into possibly
> having the suspension plasma cut.  If I can get it cut, the suspension will
> mimick the real deal. If not, I have a more simplified suspension in mind
> that will be easier to produce but will only look like the real deal, not
> work like it.
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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Caleb Smith]

"if you manage to fit a full sized marker in 8 and 1/4 inch, then well done 
you."

I 'hope' I can fit it. It is going to be tight. I'm using a CAD program to see 
how thing will have to be positioned.  I'm also looking into possibly having 
the suspension plasma cut.  If I can get it cut, the suspension will mimick the 
real deal. If not, I have a more simplified suspension in mind that will be 
easier to produce but will only look like the real deal, not work like it.

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Mike Lyons]

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 3:54:22 PM UTC-4, neroc1 wrote:
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> ... Your completed Locust (if the same as mine) will be about 22 inches 
> long. I can pop mine under one arm and walk around with it. ...
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Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[neroc1]

>
> Loic, for your purposes your plan makes perfect sense ,
>
 

> The E10 is an odd little vehicle, my first thought was " mobile helli pad 
> with a hard on"
>
 
Neil R 

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RE: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Loic]

Ah ah Neil, Yes, I’ts a “bitch being right” for sure.

 

I’m an Engineer, so, like Mr. Donald Trump, I enjoy to be proven wrong! Because 
being wrong help me hone in to the right solution! But it is politically 
incorrect… (-;

 

My “thinking” of an “inexperience combatant” is that 3D combat is very 
difficult for my inexperienced and/or untalented brain. Here you are mentioning 
Mr. Tyng, but you may forget that Steve got both experience and talent. 

Dealing with two motors on a single stick is intuitive. But a combat where you 
have to elevate the gun, rotate the turret, and shooting at the same time takes 
talent and experience (and luck?). 

 

I hope to have the E-10 ready and firing for next year’s battles and we can 
compare notes?

 

“Les Français aiment un bon argument »

 

Cheers,

Loic

 

4 I have battled against the Tyng master and seen the Cromwell drive a big arc 
round my tank (T001 at the time) the turret was controlled to keep me in its 
sights and firing many shots with most of them scoring hits. this is not 
possible with a TD.
5 Sorry to be so argumentative , its a bitch being right..


Neil R

 

 

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RE: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Loic]

Neil,

 

And this is the strategy FOA decided to shy away from. I’m building an E-10 
right now with NO rotation on the turret. The problem with rotating turret is 
the “thinking” that you can shoot faster an opponent by using your traverse. It 
brings three issues:

 

1.   Rotating the turret exposes your sides (turret sides to forward 
opponents, and hull sides to the side opponents)

2.   A small tank can usually pivot its hull faster than a turret can rotate

3.   Without turret rotation, you have ONE stick for all your driving, and 
just ONE stick for your gun elevation. It simplifies the tasks to your brain in 
the middle of an “adrenaline’s full combat situation” 

 

Loic

 

 

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[neroc1]

My preference is to have a fully rotating turret in the battles I have been 
involved in, 
I think what Steve means is the turning ability of a small tank is so good 
that you dont really need a rotating turret. but for me a tank with a 
turret can shoot to the side (or rear) whilst driving forward. a small but 
beneficial ability in battle torn Gettysburg. I think your game play will 
be different with a TD, 

 if you manage to fit a full sized marker in 8 and 1/4 inch, then well done 
you.

Neil R

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[neroc1]

If I may I respond - 

1 It is your positioning (or your opponents excellent positioning) that 
exposes you side (or rear).
2, a non turreted tank can only fire upon an opponent whilst driving 
towards or away form it, a turreted tank can engage an enemy regardless its 
face.
3 a small tank can pivot AND turn its turret to face an opponent. 
4 I have battled against the Tyng master and seen the Cromwell drive a big 
arc round my tank (T001 at the time) the turret was controlled to keep me 
in its sights and firing many shots with most of them scoring hits. this is 
not possible with a TD.
5 Sorry to be so argumentative , its a bitch being right..

Neil R

>
>  
>
> 1.   Rotating the turret exposes your sides (turret sides to forward 
> opponents, and hull sides to the side opponents)
>
> 2.   A small tank can usually pivot its hull faster than a turret can 
> rotate
>
> 3.   Without turret rotation, you have ONE stick for all your 
> driving, and just ONE stick for your gun elevation. It simplifies the tasks 
> to your brain in the middle of an “adrenaline’s full combat situation” 
>
>  
>
> Loic
>
>  
>
>  
>

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Caleb Smith]

How would I go about doing a limited traverse?  It would seem that for the 
trouble of building a limited traverse I could just go for full traverse.  
Correct me if I'm wrong, please.  
On a side note, I cut down a Piranha today, removing everything that i could 
without damaging the gun. I got the body length down to 7 3\4".  I'm happy!

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[TyngTech]

Consider building like a TD with a limited traverse.  Full rotate in such a 
small tank is over kill.

ST

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 8:22:31 PM UTC-4, Caleb Smith wrote:
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> I do believe it will be tough fitting all the gear into that turret. I 
> think the scale turret is somewhere around 8 1\4" in diameter plus the 
> storage area in the back. The real deal had a basket the went into the 
> lower hull so I might do something like to get some extra room. I'm also 
> planning on molding a fiberglass turret top to save internal room.It's 
>  gonna be cramped, but I look forward to the challenge ahead.
> Caleb "claustrophobic already" Smith

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Caleb Smith]

I do believe it will be tough fitting all the gear into that turret. I think 
the scale turret is somewhere around 8 1\4" in diameter plus the storage area 
in the back. The real deal had a basket the went into the lower hull so I might 
do something like to get some extra room. I'm also planning on molding a 
fiberglass turret top to save internal room.It's  gonna be cramped, but I look 
forward to the challenge ahead.
Caleb "claustrophobic already" Smith

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Caleb Smith]

I do believe it will be tough fitting all the gear into that turret. I think 
the scale turret is somewhere around 8 1\4" in diameter plus the storage area 
in the back. The real deal had a basket the went into the lower hull so I might 
do something like to get some extra room. I'm also planning on molding a 
fiberglass turret top to save internal room.It's  gonna be cramped, but I look 
forward to the challenge ahead.
Caleb "claustrophobic already" Smith

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[neroc1]

I offer you the very best of luck fitting anything bigger than a .50 cal 
marker into an M22 turret. the Locust tank I built (T055) had a turret 
diameter of just over 9inch by 3inch high (mainly because that was how big 
my old chip pan was). I fitted a .50 cal marker.see pic- 

http://www.rctankcombat.com/order-of-battle/tanks/T055/08-large.jpg

I did think about fitting a .68 cal marker stood up in the turret and hull 
combined with only a little turret turning capability.but never got round 
to it. Your completed Locust (if the same as mine) will be about 22 inches 
long. I can pop mine under one arm and walk around with it.

Neil R

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Caleb Smith]

OK, that's good to know.  Right now, I'm looking at using a PMI Piranha for 
this and pocket the extra cash for something else.  I think with a few mods I 
can easily make it fit.

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[TyngTech]

Yep, an upright bottle or siphon.  FYI, I bet you could bypass the E1's 
built in regulator and run with a 150psi warship reg.  That could be an 
interesting and space saving option.  Maybe I'll pull the reg off the E1 
and check the factory pressure setting.

FYI, if discarding the E1's grip, there's an extra 1" of length on the back 
of the marker body that does nothing for marker operation and could be cut 
off.  

ST

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 10:01:32 PM UTC-4, Caleb Smith wrote:
>
> OK, that interesting news. Now when you say "dry" co2, is that using an 
> anti siphon tube or just keeping the bottle upright? 
> OTOH,the E1 looks like a great gun. I'll have to keep a look out on EBay 
> and see if I can't pick one up a used one for reduced price.

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Caleb Smith]

OK, that interesting news. Now when you say "dry" co2, is that using an anti 
siphon tube or just keeping the bottle upright? 
OTOH,the E1 looks like a great gun. I'll have to keep a look out on EBay and 
see if I can't pick one up a used one for reduced price.

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[TyngTech]

An HPA marker can run "dry" CO2 just fine.  It can be an issue if the 
o-rings used are not CO2 compatible as these may degrade at some point.  To 
fix this is to replace the o-rings with known CO2 compatible ones.  There 
are several sellers on eBay that sell CO2 compatible rebuild kits for most 
markers.  I intend to do this with my E1 if I ever finish up my little 
T-60.  FYI, my E1 shoots quite nicely on CO2 and it didn't explode in my 
hand or produce any of the other disasters the so called knowledgeable on 
the paintball forums always predict when running CO2.

ST

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:14:58 PM UTC-4, Caleb Smith wrote:
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> I'm beggining to realize that cheap and small don't mix.  I don't believe 
> any of the suggested markers will work.  Seems all the new guns are HPA 
> only, and I want to use co2. If a good option doesn't come up I might use a 
> cut down Piranha.

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[TyngTech]

Small and cheap do not mix in the paintball world.  Look at the Dangerous 
Products E1.  Same size as the Invert Mini but uses a standard, removable 
reg and is cheaper.

ST

On Saturday, October 10, 2015 at 9:35:44 PM UTC-4, Caleb Smith wrote:
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> It is looking like I might be able to build a tank this winter, so I'm 
> doing some preliminary research.  I'm looking for a short (body length 
> minus barrel) marker. Short is anything 8 inches or shorter. I would like 
> it to be .68 cal if that can be possible, but I could do .50 if there are 
> no other options. Price range?...as cheap as possible. :) 
> In case you're wondering, this will be for a M22 Locust. They are very 
> tiny so I need tiny marker.
> If you know of a marker that fits the criteria, please let me know.  I've 
> been reaserching but not finding much.
> Thanks,
> Caleb

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[TANKS] Re: Small Markers

[Caleb Smith]

I'm beggining to realize that cheap and small don't mix.  I don't believe any 
of the suggested markers will work.  Seems all the new guns are HPA only, and I 
want to use co2. If a good option doesn't come up I might use a cut down 
Piranha.

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