Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here

2015-10-12 Thread Khr_1991
After a little planning and talking with my dad, He would like to build a 
Tiger. I'd like a KV-2, so maybe a capture isn't necessary. 

http://www.monsterscooterparts.com/24-volt-450-watt-gear-reduction-motor-9-tooth-8mm-05t-chain-sprocket-1018.html

I'm thinking that would be the motor we would get. 450 watt, 420 RPM, and 
lead polarity swappable for reverse, so it won't stress it. 

I'd like to make it belt drive to the final drive though, in case something 
binds it would slip there before it starts breaking things.

I guess our next step is to decide if we are building 1 or 2, and what we 
are building.Then getting some dimensions and plans laid out, and go from 
there. 

I might be getting a better job soon, had to take an aptitude test. double 
the wages I'm making now, so hopefully I get it to support building one of 
these bad boys.

Does anyone have a good design on the gun elevation and firing, and what 
paintball marker they use? I want to use one of the standard .68 cal so I 
can go to a local store and pick the paintballs up. Could I get some 
pictures or a link to some of these tanks?


On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 2:12:35 AM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> My KV-2 I use a PVC barrel shroud although it doesn't look like I have 
> pics of that on my computer. I can probably take some of it though.
>
> I use the 450W version of these (model MY1016Z3):
>
>
> http://tncscooters.com/index.php?route=product/product=52_55_id=55
>
> No gear reduction necessary.  The final output drive of my tank is a 9 
> tooth to 9 tooth.  Speed of the motor is around 400RPM.  Plenty fast.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-cn5hHsGyo
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg_fDX56CJQ
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Khr_1991 <gamew...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Did you scale the tank to the paintball gun barrel? Can I see some 
>> pictures of this, I am thinking the German Captured KV-2 will be the first 
>> tank to build, just to get everything down and allow for extra room in the 
>> turret.
>>
>> What track system would look good on the KV? Would a treadmill track 
>> system work for this? I want it "saggy" like the actual tank had. 
>>
>> I do know the Pershing will have a hinged track system, and the Vertical 
>> Volute Spring Suspension. I'm not sure if this exact prototype of the tank 
>> is allowed, they were made, but never fielded. The turret became the 
>> Sherman 76mm turret. I know there is a rule about it, but this isn't too 
>> far out there, and 250 were made. I think it's close enough to the actual 
>> Pershing that it should count, right?
>>
>> Where should I look for scooter motors? Just a quick google search came 
>> up with a place called "electricscooterparts.com" Has anyone bought from 
>> there? They have a 400w 24v motor for $80 It says the shaft spins CCW, 
>> would reversing the polarity to reverse the motor damage a motor like this 
>> where it's specified, or should I look for something that says it is 
>> reversible. There is also a 350w with a gear reduction to 400rpm output 
>> that says it is reversible by switching polarity
>>
>> It seems everyone is using a Tri-Pact speed controller. Is that a simple 
>> on/off controller, no variable speeds? 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 7:49:41 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> My KV-2 is using 450W motors but mine weighs a ton with the steel 
>>> tracks.  The KV-2 in 1/6 scale is huge.  You could easily build it to the 
>>> 36" rule and have plenty of room in it.
>>>
>>> Derek
>>> On Oct 8, 2015 6:03 PM, "Ben Holko" <b...@holnet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Motor size would depend on the weight of your vehicle. Most people with 
>>>> these are using 300 watt, some 400 watt and if the vehicle is smaller and 
>>>> lighter then a pair of 250watt should suffice.
>>>>
>>>> All units operating well are running at 24v.
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> From: rctank...@googlegroups.com [rctank...@googlegroups.com] on 
>>>> behalf of Khr_1991 [gamew...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:13 AM
>>>> To: R/C Tank Combat
>>>> Subject: Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here
>>>>
>>>> How many watts should I look for on the the scooter motor? And I'm also 
>>>> going to go with the higher volts is more efficient than low voltage? 
>>>> Would 
>>>> 2 car batteries hooked up for 24v work, or would it not have enoug

Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here

2015-10-08 Thread Khr_1991
How many watts should I look for on the the scooter motor? And I'm also going 
to go with the higher volts is more efficient than low voltage? Would 2 car 
batteries hooked up for 24v work, or would it not have enough run time and 
weight too much.

I talked with my dad and he wants a tank from ww2. I like the Pershing, the T23 
with the vertical volume spring suspension. Would this be a legal tank?

I'm also thinking that a German Tank Destroyer or German Captured KV2 might be 
built after or before, so we have experience with building one, and we can 
battle each other. 

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RE: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here

2015-10-08 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
My KV-2 is using 450W motors but mine weighs a ton with the steel tracks.
The KV-2 in 1/6 scale is huge.  You could easily build it to the 36" rule
and have plenty of room in it.

Derek
On Oct 8, 2015 6:03 PM, "Ben Holko" <b...@holnet.net> wrote:

> Motor size would depend on the weight of your vehicle. Most people with
> these are using 300 watt, some 400 watt and if the vehicle is smaller and
> lighter then a pair of 250watt should suffice.
>
> All units operating well are running at 24v.
>
> Ben
>
> 
> From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [rctankcombat@googlegroups.com] on
> behalf of Khr_1991 [gamewes...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:13 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here
>
> How many watts should I look for on the the scooter motor? And I'm also
> going to go with the higher volts is more efficient than low voltage? Would
> 2 car batteries hooked up for 24v work, or would it not have enough run
> time and weight too much.
>
> I talked with my dad and he wants a tank from ww2. I like the Pershing,
> the T23 with the vertical volume spring suspension. Would this be a legal
> tank?
>
> I'm also thinking that a German Tank Destroyer or German Captured KV2
> might be built after or before, so we have experience with building one,
> and we can battle each other.
>
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RE: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here

2015-10-08 Thread Ben Holko
Motor size would depend on the weight of your vehicle. Most people with these 
are using 300 watt, some 400 watt and if the vehicle is smaller and lighter 
then a pair of 250watt should suffice.

All units operating well are running at 24v.

Ben


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of Khr_1991 [gamewes...@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here

How many watts should I look for on the the scooter motor? And I'm also going 
to go with the higher volts is more efficient than low voltage? Would 2 car 
batteries hooked up for 24v work, or would it not have enough run time and 
weight too much.

I talked with my dad and he wants a tank from ww2. I like the Pershing, the T23 
with the vertical volume spring suspension. Would this be a legal tank?

I'm also thinking that a German Tank Destroyer or German Captured KV2 might be 
built after or before, so we have experience with building one, and we can 
battle each other.

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Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here

2015-10-08 Thread Khr_1991
Did you scale the tank to the paintball gun barrel? Can I see some pictures 
of this, I am thinking the German Captured KV-2 will be the first tank to 
build, just to get everything down and allow for extra room in the turret.

What track system would look good on the KV? Would a treadmill track system 
work for this? I want it "saggy" like the actual tank had. 

I do know the Pershing will have a hinged track system, and the Vertical 
Volute Spring Suspension. I'm not sure if this exact prototype of the tank 
is allowed, they were made, but never fielded. The turret became the 
Sherman 76mm turret. I know there is a rule about it, but this isn't too 
far out there, and 250 were made. I think it's close enough to the actual 
Pershing that it should count, right?

Where should I look for scooter motors? Just a quick google search came up 
with a place called "electricscooterparts.com" Has anyone bought from 
there? They have a 400w 24v motor for $80 It says the shaft spins CCW, 
would reversing the polarity to reverse the motor damage a motor like this 
where it's specified, or should I look for something that says it is 
reversible. There is also a 350w with a gear reduction to 400rpm output 
that says it is reversible by switching polarity

It seems everyone is using a Tri-Pact speed controller. Is that a simple 
on/off controller, no variable speeds? 


On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 7:49:41 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> My KV-2 is using 450W motors but mine weighs a ton with the steel tracks.  
> The KV-2 in 1/6 scale is huge.  You could easily build it to the 36" rule 
> and have plenty of room in it.
>
> Derek
> On Oct 8, 2015 6:03 PM, "Ben Holko" <b...@holnet.net > wrote:
>
>> Motor size would depend on the weight of your vehicle. Most people with 
>> these are using 300 watt, some 400 watt and if the vehicle is smaller and 
>> lighter then a pair of 250watt should suffice.
>>
>> All units operating well are running at 24v.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> 
>> From: rctank...@googlegroups.com  [
>> rctank...@googlegroups.com ] on behalf of Khr_1991 [
>> gamew...@gmail.com ]
>> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:13 AM
>> To: R/C Tank Combat
>> Subject: Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here
>>
>> How many watts should I look for on the the scooter motor? And I'm also 
>> going to go with the higher volts is more efficient than low voltage? Would 
>> 2 car batteries hooked up for 24v work, or would it not have enough run 
>> time and weight too much.
>>
>> I talked with my dad and he wants a tank from ww2. I like the Pershing, 
>> the T23 with the vertical volume spring suspension. Would this be a legal 
>> tank?
>>
>> I'm also thinking that a German Tank Destroyer or German Captured KV2 
>> might be built after or before, so we have experience with building one, 
>> and we can battle each other.
>>
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Re: [TANKS] (Kind of) New Here

2015-10-07 Thread Frank Pittelli
1) The most important selection criteria for your tank should be: Pick 
the one that you think is cool.  You'll be spending way more time 
building and showing off your tank then you will be battling it.  So, 
despite the many past threads that talk about one "advantage" or 
another, just build the one that you want to build.


2) It takes roughly the same amount of time to build virtually any tank 
or tank destroyer.  The amount of time depends way more on your building 
skills, materials used and how nice you want things to be, then on the 
type of vehicle being built.  Size does matter, however.  The smaller 
the vehicle, the harder the build.  So, stick to something in the 3 ft 
range for your first vehicle.  You can still pick any vehicle, just 
scale it so that you have plenty of room to solve installation problems.


3) Power wheel motors (ie. kiddie car motors) are *not* a good choice 
because they simply don't have enough power to move a tracked vehicle in 
grass.  For not much more money, you should buy a pair of scooter 
motors.  They provide plenty of power, they don't abuse batteries and 
they'll last forever.


4) Yes, a Playstation wireless controller can be used with a C12C 
controller to operate a tank, but you can also buy an inexpensive 2.4Ghz 
R/C transmitter/receiver to operate the vehicle.  But, don't worry about 
the electronics until you have something to operate.  All you need to 
test things in the workshop is a couple of basic switches and/or relays 
and some wire.  Once the motors and tracks are working on the bench, 
it's a simple matter to purchase and wire up motor controllers and radio 
gear for remote control.


5) Fiberglass is plenty strong enough to withstand paintball hits.  The 
venerable T001 has been battled over a decade with a fiberglass hull and 
turret with no signs of failure.


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