[RDA-L] Simplified OPAC display

2011-11-03 Thread J. McRee Elrod
For a sample simple ISBD display, visit the OPAC SLC
created for Canadian Elecrtronic Library.

In a hitlist click "ISBD" to see that display.

Note that if you click "MARC" in the tool bar, you can search by MARC
field.  I really like being able to search by SMD.  

The drop down window gives you other options in Basic search, and
Advanced search gives you operators.

http://celarc.ca/


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[RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-03 Thread J. McRee Elrod
http://www.loc.gov/marc/transition/news/framework-103111.html

Reading LC's statement (see URL above) on plans for future
bibliographic control, led to some interesting offlist correspondence.  
I've received permission from the authors, Michael Gorman, Hal Cain,
and Bernhard Eversberg, to post their comments.   Bernhard plans to
expand on his comments and post them on RDA-l, so most of his comments
are removed from the version posted here.

I think "American Libraries" editors should approach Bernhard for an op
ed piece, similar to Michael's earlier one on RDA.

I said:

Looking at these links, I see very little in the way of actual
proposals,  just lots of generalities. Am I missing something?


Hal Cain wrote:

I haven't studied the statement closely. At a hasty reading, there  
didn't seem to be much that required serious attention.

I doubt LC has many remaining staff in the data management area who  
are competent to contribute to creating a new medium of recording and  
exchanging bibliographic data. I suspect Rebecca Guenther's retirement  
was strategic: "I don't want to be mixed up in this mess!" but I could  
of course be wrong. I have no contacts remaining inside LC, since Tony  
Franks has opted to go away in search of peace.

That leaves the enterprise prey to consultants. Alternatively it may  
be outsourced to OCLC.  I wonder where they think they'll get grants?

The likely outcome, as I see it, is that there will be an outline  
scheme, with a rudimentary crosswalk to MARC 21 (OCLC are good at that  
kind of thing, and will have to be on the inside anyway because LC  
cataloguing couldn't survive without OCLC) but there will be no  
consensus about its value and usefulness, by NLM and NAL.

I remain totally bemused by the blind pursuit of two conflicting  
goals: more simplicity (BIBCO "standard record" schemes) vs.  
complexity (RDA detail and the structure of the code).

Michael, I'm a fan of your "Concise AACR2" code. I wish RDA had been  
written (if it was truly needed, of which I'm still not completely  
convinced) in that style, with application manuals for particular  
types of resources.

[snip]


Michael Gorman wrote:

This begins with a gaseous piece of nonsense: "[MARC is] based on  
forty-year-old techniques for data management and is out of step with
programming styles of  today", and gets worse.  They want to change
for change's sake but have no idea what to do.  What we can be assured
of is that the result will be worse and the   slide toward
bibliographic chaos accelerated.  

MARC is a framework standard that defines bibliographic elements  
precisely.  RDA and metadata (faux) standards such as the Dublin Core
(a pathetically inadequate subset of MARC) will ensure that the
content   standards will be worse than before, so perhaps they deserve
a less precise   framework standard .



Bernhard Eversberg said in response to Michael's comments above:


A harsh verdict, and it doesn't come from just somebody.  This view 
needs to get out in the open. It borders on an "emperor's new clothes" 
situation.



Michael Gorman added:

I thought I should expand a little on my testy reply of yesterday (though
I meant every word of it).   
  
 MARC consists of sequential denominators of elements of access points and
bibliographic descriptions (plus some too-little used codes).  Those
denominators identify a wide range of real world bibliographic conditions
precisely (i.e., a particular combination of tag and code will specify
exactly what that condition is and, by implication, what it is not) but
does not dictate how that condition is expressed (hence the reason why the
term "MARC cataloguing" is a nonsense--the cataloguing defines what goes
into MARC, not the nature of MARC--the framework that contains and defines
the data).  That being so, we should ask: 
  
1.  Will the replacement for MARC have (a) the same level of precision,
(b) more precision, or (c) less?  And why? 

2.   MARC is defined by numeric tags and alphabetic codes, what is t  o
replace them?  Why?  

3.  My understanding is that vendors have based the programming for their
library systems on MARC.  How are they to migrate from MARC to non-MARC.
If the answer to 1., above, is a,   the transition would be easy but what's
the point?  If it is b or c, the transition would require a massive effort
that would not, I would have thought, be cost beneficial. 
  

English speakers call dried plums "prunes."  If it is decreed that, as
of January 1st, we call them "ghiwibels" and "ghiwibel" means 'prune' we
have gained nothing but suffered inconvenience.  If "ghiwibel" means either
'dried fruit' or 'fruit with a stone in it,' we have lost definition (the
language being poorer)  and suffered inconvenience.




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Re: [RDA-L] NISO offers itself as the standards body for future format

2011-11-03 Thread Jim Weinheimer
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote:


> Help with the creation of a new format would be great. What the library
> world needs here is, of course, an indefinite term commitment.
> And what we also need is a free and open standard, or else we can
> forget everything about opening up to other communities and freeing
> our data in the web for everybody to use. Libraries are there to
> make recorded knowledge universally available and useful. To assist
> this, today, they have to make their data universally available
> and useful, and with that huge body of data, the conventions that
> constitute its foundation. What we have instead is one not universally
> open entity in control of the data and another one in possession of the
> rules. Now, the format is to go into custody of a third?



Good point. I had simply assumed that what they make would be free. It
appears as if they do make them available for free, e.g. the Digital
Talking Book Standard at
http://www.niso.org/workrooms/daisy/Z39-86-2005.html. They also say
explicitly that they are available at no cost: "All NISO standards are
protected by copyright. NISO standards can be downloaded and reproduced for
noncommercial purposes only. NISO standards cannot be translated, modified,
redistributed, sold or repackaged in any form without the prior permission
of NISO." http://www.niso.org/standards

Still, this needs to be made very clear. For instance, I can imagine
libraries--and individual libraries--wanting to add their own namespaces to
whatever NISO would make, so the word "modified" would have to be
considered carefully. Plus, the translation makes me hesitant, although I
understand.

-- 

James L. Weinheimer  weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com
First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/
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Re: [RDA-L] NISO offers itself as the standards body for future format

2011-11-03 Thread Bernhard Eversberg

02.11.2011 22:06, James Weinheimer:


The process for moving MARC into today's information environment is
 important, as noted above. Wouldn't the process be better served
by utilizing the existing and open standards development processes
 already in place that have served our community so well in so many
 areas?"



The simple fact is that libraries need help. They need help for the
actual task of creating metadata; they need help to figure out what
types of metadata is needed today both by our patrons and for
collection management; and they need help to come up with formats.


Help with the creation of a new format would be great. What the library
world needs here is, of course, an indefinite term commitment.
And what we also need is a free and open standard, or else we can
forget everything about opening up to other communities and freeing
our data in the web for everybody to use. Libraries are there to
make recorded knowledge universally available and useful. To assist
this, today, they have to make their data universally available
and useful, and with that huge body of data, the conventions that
constitute its foundation. What we have instead is one not universally
open entity in control of the data and another one in possession of the
rules. Now, the format is to go into custody of a third?

B.Eversberg