Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
In some ways there is already a simplification in RDA-- the conflation of the 
FRAD Person and Name Entities.

In FRAD, a Person entity has a relationship to a Name entity, and the Name 
entity has its own attributes, such as Scope of Usage and Date of Usage. In 
FRAD, Name also applies to titles of works, expressions, and manifestations. 
In the RDA Element Set View, one can even see the FRAD entity Name listed 
apart from the Person/Family/Corporate Body entities.

Where the boundaries are can make a difference in what the data model can 
accomplish.

By separating out a biological person into separate bibliographic entities then 
one can also more easily align the data surrounding the usage of particular 
names, but this might not go as far as what FRAD offers. In RDA, the FRAD 
entities Person (as in bibliographical identity called Person) and Name are 
combined, so the simplification might also have some limitations.

I can also see a use for the Name entity having relationships to 
manifestations, for both title used and for form of the name of the author on 
the manifestation. One could then start with a Person entity or Work or 
Expression entity, go to a variant form of name used, and then follow a link to 
only those manifestations that used that variant form. This might assist in 
determining such issues as predominant usage of a form of a name, or act as a 
trigger for when a permanent name change occurs, facilitating decisions about 
creating new entities.


Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library
 

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Thomas said:




 Just a suggestion-- would not relationship designators serve as the data to 
 accomplish much of this. That is, without adding anything to existing 
 records, or deciding a priori that one entity is a super entity.

 For example, the use of the relationship designators real identity and 
 alternate identity would create an on-the-fly arrangement through 
 reciprocal relationships that would point to one entity as the real entity 
 when pseudonyms are used. Subsequently one could construct on-the-fly 
 displays with priority ranking (much like relevancy ranking done today by 
 placing hierarchical values on certain fields and subfields) where the real 
 entity would be given some prominence for the user. If there is only entity 
 it wouldn't matter if it's the real entity or a pseudonym-- specifying the 
 real identity would only need to occur when multiple entities start to appear.

In theory, of course you're absolutely right. What's more, these kind of 
relationship designators are already there in our German authority
records: The kind of relationship expressed in a 5XX field is always coded in a 
$4. E.g. there is a pair of codes vorg and nachf for predecessor 
(Vorgänger) and successor (Nachfolger), when there is a chronological split 
between corporate bodies. At the moment, real name and pseudonym are still 
together in one single authority record in our authority file, but they are 
already coded with pseu for pseudonym and nawi (wirklicher Name) for real 
name. If we're going to split them into separate records, these will be 
connected in 5XX, and the codes pseu/nawi will tell you (or a machine) that it 
is really the same person. So, in theory, you can easily keep the relationship 
between pseudonym and real name apart from a relationship between a person and, 
say, its brother (this relationship can also be put in a 500, but will be coded 
differently in $4).

If we had really good systems, these codes should certainly be enough to 
achieve what I'm thinking of. Perhaps they are indeed already enough in a 
linked data environment. But IT people tell me it is very hard to create a 
cluster of e.g. several chronologically linked corporate bodies on the fly (by 
following the links and interpreting the codes) in present OPAC systems. Even 
our Pica system, which is generally quite good with links, doesn't seem to be 
able to do this, and e.g. in an Aleph system it seems it would be almost 
unthinkable. As long as we have these limitations, a super identifier seems a 
good alternative. You'd still need software which can follow links and interpet 
codes, but this wouldn't have to be done on the fly, but could be done in some 
batch process on the data, outside of the OPAC system.

Admittedly, this would be a sort of crutch. But I must say that I'm getting a 
bit tired of waiting for the brilliant systems which are always, we're told, 
just around the corner. So I prefer a simple, workable solution any day. My 
motto nowadays is: Better a small and imperfect solution, which I can have 
today (or at least tomorrow), than having to wait for a big solution which 
perhaps may never 

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities Discovery Systems

2013-01-07 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller

Mary,

When we worked on our discovery system, we did include 'see' 
references and limited 'see also' references in the search. So 
searching for Julie Andrews also retrieves children's books by Julie 
Edwards (for example).  We decided not to include 551's since we were 
afraid it would generate too much 'noise'=false hits in the results.




It's good to see that see and see also references are made use of in 
discovery systems. Are you using a ranking to go with this, as well 
(e.g. less boost for see also references than for other elements)?


Yes, noise can certainly be a problem. On the basis of the links 
within the German authority file, we could e.g. provide somebody 
searching for Munich not only with documents about this city, but - 
among other things - with hits for all the persons which were born there 
or died there. Probably most people wouldn't really thank us for this, 
so we're not doing it. In the same manner, when somebody searches for 
librarian, we could display the hits for all people who are 
librarians. Again, probably most people wouldn't be too happy about this...


On the other hand, these are perfectly legitimate search questions which 
might be of enormous interest to some of our users. But it's hard to see 
how we could offer such specialized search possibilities in an ordinary 
catalog. I suppose we'll have to wait for linked data applications (or, 
perhaps rather: we must build these applications ourselves).


Heidrun

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Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A.
Stuttgart Media University
Faculty of Information and Communication
Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany
www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi



[RDA-L] Differentiating Names of Persons in RDA name authority records: Questions posted on RDA Cataloging, Google+ Community

2013-01-07 Thread salman haider
A question posted on RDA Cataloging https://plus.google.com/communities/
114381713914946747854, a Google+ Community.

Join community and discuss/answer/comment on a question on Differentiating
Names of Persons in RDA.

According to RDA: Additions to the name are given as instructed under
9.19.1.2–9.19.1.6
...
•9.19.1.2 (9.4 and 9.6): Title or other designation associated with the
person
–Required for certain names

•9.19.1.3 (9.3.2/9.3.3): Date of birth and/or death
–Give if available

•9.19.1.4 (9.5): Fuller form of name
–Add to differentiate (LC!)

•9.19.1.5 (9.3.4): Period of activity of person
–Add to differentiate

•9.19.1.6 (9.16): Profession or occupation
–Required for certain names; Can add to differentiate

QUESTION: Can we still use qualifiers to 100 field according to MARC X00 -
Personal Names-General Information to differentialte in Name Authority
Records of different persons with same name


http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/adx00.htmlhttp://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.loc.gov%2Fmarc%2Fauthority%2Fadx00.htmlh=oAQGa9rZ5AQGK8z1mIhKgOFDIzDAajCbGxAEElg-0wGdv1ws=1

can we use qualifier in subfield $c which is defined as:

$c - Titles and other words associated with a name
Includes qualifying information such as
•titles designating rank, office, or nobility, e.g., Sir
•terms of address, e.g., Mrs.
•initials of an academic degree or denoting membership in an organization,
e.g., F.L.A.
•a roman numeral used with a surname
•other words or phrases associated with the name, e.g., clockmaker, Saint.
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EXAMPLES OF SITUATIONS : suppose there is an NAR already established as
[100-1- Haider, Salman]. Now while cataloging we come across a different
person named as Salman Haider

Question 1: Can we use Dr. in subfield c to differentiate NAR. (e.g. only
information available on the resource Dr. Salman Haider ; no other
information available on the resource or on the web)
Question 2: Can we use Ph. D. in subfield to differentiate NAR (e.g. only
information available on the resource Salman Haider, Ph. D. ; no other
information available on the resource or on the web)
Question 3: Can we use period of activity of the person belonging to
20th/21st century in subfield to differentiate NAR (e.g. only information
available on the resource Salman Haider ; no other information available on
the resource or on the web)