[RDA-L] PCC RDA record examples

[Joan Wang]

Hi, there

I read 13 textual monograph record examples available on the website of Library
of Congress
.
I have some questions about a few records. I hope that these questions
could be clarified by our collective wisdom.

Record 7:

533   Printout.

How can I understand the 533 note? Does it mean that the manifestation
being described is a printout, but the main portion of the bibliographic
record is about the original one? It seems to conflict with the RDA spirit.
According to RDA, we are supposed to create a bibliographic record based on
the manifestation at hand and connect it to related manifestations. The
record has a 856 field. So I guess that the manifestation at hand is a
print-out of an online version. But the data about the “printout” is scarce
(or not so important). So an easy solution is to use 533 field.


Record  9:
264   3  Santa Barbara, California : ǂf Wootton Printing Co.

I do not think that sub-field f is available in 264 fields. Is it moved
from 260 field? I am also curious with the manufacture date. The sub-field
c is supposed to be absent if the date is unknown?



Record 10:

264  1  Helsingfors : ǂb [publisher not identified],  ǂc  1939.

264  3  ǂb F. Tilgmann

300  56 pages : ǂb illustrations.

490 1  Acta Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae. Nova series B.  ǂv  tom.
1, n:o 4

830 0  Acta Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae. ǂn Nova series B.  ǂv  tom.
1, n:o 4.

The second 264 field is supposed to be incomplete if other data is unknown?
Or we only need to provide relevant data that are not identified in the
first 264 field? The Library of Congress policy is “*give a complete
manufacture
statement, if manufacture data elements are being given in lieu of missing
publication and missing distribution elements*”.

Also, it is a full-level record, but the dimension is unknown, and there is
a period in the end of 300 field? For 490 and 830 fields, should we use a
semi-colon (rather than period) precede the sub-field v?


Record 12 and 13
700 1 2  Ogris, Alfred, ǂe author.  ǂt  976. (Record 12)

700 1 2  Sand, George, ǂe author. ǂt Leone Leoni. (Record 13)

PCC guideline 12 for the application of relationship designators says
“*Appendix
I relationship designators should not be used in a name/title access point
tagged MARC 700-711 or 800-811, or in a name/title linking field tagged
MARC 76x-78x*”. How can I understand the guideline 12? Is it applicable to
the two 700 fields?



Thank you very much for your time.



Regards,

Joan Wang
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Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D.
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
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Re: [RDA-L] PCC RDA record examples

[J. McRee Elrod]

Joan Wang posted:

>533   Printout.

Field 533 is out-of-date given the demise of the LCRI on reproduction
cataloguing.  If present, it means the item being described is a
printout, but 533 should not be used.

>The >record has a 856 field. 

The second indicator should be "1" for version of resource.  The 300
should be page numbers, not "online resource" or "PDF".

>So an easy solution is to use 533 field.

Bad solution.  A better one would be 856 41 $zPrintout of:$u ... An
alternative would be a 530 with $u; 776's $u is not for URL.

>264   3  Santa Barbara, California : =C7=82f Wootton Printing Co. >I
do not think that sub-field f is available in 264 fields. It

It isn't; 260 $f become 264  3 $b.  I suspect this type of error will
be quite common.  We have programmed to flip 264  3 to 260 $e$f$g for
AACR2 compatible export.  If we ever do retrospective conversion from
ACR2 to RDA, we would do the reverse, but so far no client has
requested that conversion.

>I am also curious with the manufacture date. The sub-field c is
>supposed to be absent if the date is unknown?

Only according to CONSER serial guidelines.  Best for patrons to make
a stab at the date, as opposed to an "unidentified" long phrase.

>The second 264 field is upposed to be incomplete if other data is
>unknown?

Fields 264 2 and 3 should be complete; 264  4 is $c only.

>but the dimension is unknown, and there is >a period in the end of
>300 field? For 490 and 830 fields, should we use a >semi-colon
>(rather than period) precede the sub-field v?

Field 300 has no $v.  A semicolon should precede $v in 490/830.

>PCC guideline 12 for the application of relationship designators says
>=E2=80=9C*Appendix I relationship designators should not be used in
>a name/title access point ...

The 700s you quoted are joint authors of the work, so no $t repeating
the main title is needed, as in analytical entries.  The LCPS you
quoted does not apply to these joint author entries.  (Did I
understand your question?)

Certainly in some of these cases, we should not catalogue by example.


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Re: [RDA-L] PCC RDA record examples

[J. McRee Elrod]

Joan said:

>I still wonder about "name/title access point tagged MARC 700-711". Does it
>mean that these 700-711 fields have names as well as titles?
 
700/711 may have just personal or corporate name, or name plus title.  
Title alone would be 730 or 740.

Early on I was told 7XX$a$t have no $e or $4 between the name and
title, to my surprise.  It seems inconsistent to me.

>
In your earlier post you cited:


>264  1  Helsingfors : =C7=82b [publisher not identified],  =C7=82c  193=

>490 1  Acta Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae. Nova series B.  =C7=82v  tom.

We would have entered:

264  1  $aHelsingfors [Sweden] :$bSocietatis Scientiarum Fennicae?].$c1939.

We would do a 710 for the society with relator $dissuing body, since we
don't know if they are the publisher for certain.

Lubetski would have just had [The Society] in 260$b.

Sommeone needs to do a editing job on those examples.  But then, the
same if true of the whole RDA.   The rewrite is still far short of
Michael Gorman's clarity in AACR2.


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Re: [RDA-L] PCC RDA record examples

[Joan Wang]

Thanks, Mac.

Yes. These examples need a proof-reading.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM, J. McRee Elrod  wrote:

>
> Joan said:
>
> >I still wonder about "name/title access point tagged MARC 700-711". Does
> it
> >mean that these 700-711 fields have names as well as titles?
>
> 700/711 may have just personal or corporate name, or name plus title.
> Title alone would be 730 or 740.
>
> Early on I was told 7XX$a$t have no $e or $4 between the name and
> title, to my surprise.  It seems inconsistent to me.
>
> >
> In your earlier post you cited:
>
>
> >264  1  Helsingfors : =C7=82b [publisher not identified],  =C7=82c
>  193=
>
> >490 1  Acta Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae. Nova series B.  =C7=82v
>  tom.
>
> We would have entered:
>
> 264  1  $aHelsingfors [Sweden] :$bSocietatis Scientiarum Fennicae?].$c1939.
>
> We would do a 710 for the society with relator $dissuing body, since we
> don't know if they are the publisher for certain.
>
> Lubetski would have just had [The Society] in 260$b.
>
> Sommeone needs to do a editing job on those examples.  But then, the
> same if true of the whole RDA.   The rewrite is still far short of
> Michael Gorman's clarity in AACR2.
>
>
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Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] PCC RDA record examples

[J. McRee Elrod]

A correction to my cut and paste supplied publisher:

Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae is possessive.  The Latin name of the
society is: Societas Scientiarum Fennica.  The Finnish name is
Suomen Tiedeseura.

So:

264  1 $aHelsingfors [Sweden] :$bSocietas Scientarium Fennica,$c1939.

Thanks to Michael Gorman.


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Re: [RDA-L] PCC RDA record examples

[Cravens, Maija A - WHS]

Please, note that Helsingfors (i.e. Helsinki) is in Finland, not Sweden.

Maija Salo Cravens
Cataloging and Collection Management
Library-Archives Division
Wisconsin Historical Society
816 State Street
Madison, WI 53706-1482
Phone: 608-264-6522
Email: maija.crav...@wisconsinhistory.org
Website: www.wisconsinhistory.org

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A correction to my cut and paste supplied publisher:

Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae is possessive.  The Latin name of the society 
is: Societas Scientiarum Fennica.  The Finnish name is Suomen Tiedeseura.

So:

264  1 $aHelsingfors [Sweden] :$bSocietas Scientarium Fennica,$c1939.

Thanks to Michael Gorman.


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Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms relation to work

[Joan Wang]

I think that we can expand the relationships to projects embodied in a
work, such as a legal case, a thesis, and a government policy.

Thanks,
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM, J. McRee Elrod  wrote:

> I've forgotten whether it was on Autocat or RDA-L that someone raised
> an objection to "chairperson" as the relator term for the chair of the
> issuing committee, saying the person was not chair of the work.
>
> The same could be said of other relators, e.g., "judge".  The person
> is the judge of the case described in the work, not of the work itself.
>
> I suspect most patrons could figure out what is meant in these cases.
>
>
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Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D.
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms relation to work

[Joan Wang]

I should say the intellectual content of a work :-)


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Joan Wang wrote:

> I think that we can expand the relationships to projects embodied in a
> work, such as a legal case, a thesis, and a government policy.
>
> Thanks,
> Joan Wang
> Illinois Heartland Library System
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM, J. McRee Elrod  wrote:
>
>> I've forgotten whether it was on Autocat or RDA-L that someone raised
>> an objection to "chairperson" as the relator term for the chair of the
>> issuing committee, saying the person was not chair of the work.
>>
>> The same could be said of other relators, e.g., "judge".  The person
>> is the judge of the case described in the work, not of the work itself.
>>
>> I suspect most patrons could figure out what is meant in these cases.
>>
>>
>>__   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
>>   {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
>>   ___} |__ \__
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D.
> Cataloger -- CMC
> Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
> 6725 Goshen Road
> Edwardsville, IL 62025
> 618.656.3216x409
> 618.656.9401Fax
>



-- 
Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D.
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax

[RDA-L] Relator terms relation to work

[J. McRee Elrod]

I've forgotten whether it was on Autocat or RDA-L that someone raised
an objection to "chairperson" as the relator term for the chair of the
issuing committee, saying the person was not chair of the work.

The same could be said of other relators, e.g., "judge".  The person
is the judge of the case described in the work, not of the work itself.

I suspect most patrons could figure out what is meant in these cases.


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Re: [RDA-L] PCC RDA record examples

[J. McRee Elrod]

>Please, note that Helsingfors (i.e. Helsinki) is in Finland, not Sweden.

Colour me doubly embarrassed!

There is a village in Sweden with that name, but the Society is in
Finland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki

So:

264  1 $aHelsingfors [Finland] :$bSocietas Scientarium Fennica,$c1939.

Should have taken as much time as I would have with the actual record!  
The many eagle eyes on this list are a great boon.

Hope somebody updates the sample PCC record.


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Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms relation to work

[Brenndorfer, Thomas]

"Judge" and similar relationship designators are already handled quite well in 
RDA.

There are two relationship elements to a work:

1. Creator

2. Other Person, Family or Corporate Body Associated with a Work


Under the second relationship element would fall such designators for roles 
that led to the creation of the work, such as judge, consultant, honouree, 
addressee, host institution, sponsoring body.

Such persons or bodies become core elements (RDA 18.3) when they are also used 
to form the first part of the authorized access point for the work, as 
indicated for special kinds of works in RDA Chapters 6.27-6.31. "Defendant" is 
such a role, and the instructions for the authorized access point for the court 
proceedings are in RDA 6.29.1.24. A "defendant" is not a creator in RDA.

Also, the absence of a specific designator does not preclude a person or body 
from being associated with a work. There are many cases where a relationship 
element exists but no specific designator exists.

There is great value in the lists of designators in the RDA appendixes. These 
can be viewed as a useful compendium of all the reasons access points are made, 
and the lists include the roles identified in AACR2 as important for added 
entries. Recording the designator serves to encode the thinking behind 
catalogers' decisions for access points, as does the broader relationship 
element which at a minimum establishes the basic category of relationship and 
that is needed at times for functional devices such as access points for works. 


Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library
 

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> Subject: [RDA-L] Relator terms relation to work
> 
> I've forgotten whether it was on Autocat or RDA-L that someone raised an
> objection to "chairperson" as the relator term for the chair of the issuing
> committee, saying the person was not chair of the work.
> 
> The same could be said of other relators, e.g., "judge".  The person is the
> judge of the case described in the work, not of the work itself.
> 
> I suspect most patrons could figure out what is meant in these cases.
> 
> 
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[RDA-L] Englsih/French relators

[J. McRee Elrod]

For any others who may be doing 040$bfre cataloguing, here is a list
of English relators in alphabetical order, with the French following.

Francophone cataloguers in Quebec and France would probably prefer a
French list i order by the French term, but for those of us less than
fully bilingual, this helps.


abridger  abr‚viateur 
actor acteur   
addressee destinataire   
animator  animateur   
annotator annotateur  
appellant appelant 
appellee  intim‚   
architect architecte  
arranger of music arrangeur de musique 
art director  directeur artistique 
artistartiste  
authorauteur   
autographer   signataire autographe   

binder   relieur  
book designer graphiste   
braille embosser  producteur braille   
broadcaster   diffuseur   

cartographer  cartographe 
casterfondeur  
choreographer chor‚graphe 
collection registrar conservateur de collections   
collector collectionneur 
collotyperphototypeur 
commentator   commentateur   
compiler  compilateur 
composer  compositeur 
conductor chef d'orchestre
contributor   contributeur [use when no exact term fits]
costume designer  cr‚ateur de costumes 
court governedtribunal r‚gi  
court reporterrapporteur judiciaire
creator   createur  [use when no exact term fits]
curator   conservateur   
current owner propri‚taire actuel  

dancerdanseur  
dedicatee d‚dicataire 
dedicator d‚dicateur  
defendant d‚fendeur   
degree granting institution   institution conf‚rant des grades universitaires 
depositor d‚posant 
designer  concepteur  
director  r‚alisateur 
director of photography directeur de la photographie  
donor donateur 
draftsman dessinateur 

editor‚diteur intellectuel 
editor of compilation   ‚diteur intellectuel de compilation 
editor of moving image work   monteur d'ouvres d'images anim‚es   
enacting jurisdiction   juridiction promulgatrice  
engraver  graveur  
etcheraquafortiste   

film director r‚alisateur de films 
film distributor  distributeur de films   
film producer producteur de films  
filmmaker cin‚aste 
former owner  ancien propri‚taire  

honouree  entit‚ honor‚e 
honouree of item  entit‚ honor‚e d'un item   
host  h“te  
host institution  institution h“te  

illuminator   enlumineur  
illustrator   illustrateur   
inscriber d‚dicateur  
instrumentalist   instrumentiste 
interviewee   interview‚  
interviewer   intervieweur   
inventor  inventeur   
issuing body  organisme de publication   

judge juge  
jurisdiction governed   juridiction r‚gie 

landscape architect  architecte paysagiste   
librettistlibrettiste 
lithographer  lithographe 
lyricist  parolier 

moderator mod‚rateur  
musical director  directeur musical 

narrator  narrateur   

on-screen presenter  pr‚sentateur … l'‚cran  

panelist  pan‚liste   
performer interprŠte  
photographer  photographe 
plaintiff demandeur   
platemakergraveur de planches  
praeses   praeses  
presenter pr‚sentateur   
printer   imprimeur   
printmake graveur d'estampes   
producer  producteur  
production company  soci‚t‚ de production   
production designer  chef d‚corateur   
programmerprogrammeur 
publisher organisme de publication   
puppeteer marionnettiste 

radio directorr‚alisateur d'‚missions de radio 
radio producerproducteur d'‚missions de radio  
recording engineer   ing‚nieur du son  
recordist op‚rateur d'enregistrement 
respondentr‚pondant   
restorationistrestaurateur   

screenwriter  sc‚nariste  
sculptor  sculpteur   
sellervendeur  
singerchanteur 
speaker   orateur  
sponsoring body   commanditaire  
stage directormetteur en scŠne  
storyteller   conteur  
surveyor  arpenteur   

teacher   enseignant  
television director  r‚alisateur d'‚missions de t‚l‚vision  
television producer  producteur d'‚missions de t‚l‚vision   
transcriber   transcripteur  
translatortraducteur  

writer of added commentary  auteur de commentaire ajout‚  
writer of added lyrics  auteur de paroles ajout‚es 
writer of added text  auteur de texte ajout‚