Re: [RDA-L] Deadlines reminder

[Danskin, Alan]

Judy,

 

Thanks for this.  It is very helpful.  I am going to be (even) late(r)
with the outstanding EURIG responses, as I simply have not had time to
look at them since last week.  I don't think this should  hold up the
two that have already been agreed.

 

Alan

 

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of JSC Secretary
Sent: 27 November 2013 23:12
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Deadlines reminder

 

Dear JSC,

 

Because there are so many deadlines "floating around in emails," Gordon
agreed that I should send a listing of current deadlines.  I'll update
the list via email as deadlines are added.  The list below includes
dates from the 2013 meeting actions table plus dates assigned after the
meeting via emails.  It doesn't include any of my tasks related to
editing for the February release.

 

Let me know if I've omitted any deadlines or given incorrect
information.

 

FYI:  Five of the more complicated proposals requiring additional work
now have Jan. 10-13 deadlines.  With only a few days between those
deadlines and my Jan. 15 deadline to send you the Sec final drafts, the
Sec final drafts for those five proposals may not be ready by that Jan.
15 deadline.  

 

Regards, Judy

 

= = = = =

 

?? -- remaining draft JSC responses to EURIG documents:  Alan

 

Nov. 29 -- example for 9.19.1.2:  Examples Group

 

Nov. 30 -- protocol for synchronization between JSC and ISBD RG:  Gordon

 

Nov. 30 -- comments on latest draft of Policy/1:  JSC reps

 

Nov. 30 -- revised draft of Editor's Guide to JSC:  Judy

 

Nov. 30 -- report to JSC on comparison of scope statements in ch. 25-28
with glossary definitions:  Judy

 

Nov. 30 -- listing to JSC of glossary terms with parenthetical
qualifiers:  Judy

 

Nov. 30 -- information to JSC about unresolved vocabulary
terms/definitions:  Judy

 

Dec. 1 -- report to JSC on comparison of wording in D.1.2:  Judy

 

Dec. 1 -- contact with ALA TF on places about being involved in JSC WG
on places:  Kathy

 

Dec. 3 -- comments on Fast Track entries:  JSC reps

 

Dec. 3 -- comments on draft of initial Outcomes announcement:  JSC reps

 

Dec. 6 -- comments on terms of reference for ROF Working Group:  JSC
reps

 

Dec. 6 -- comments on general terms of reference document:  JSC reps

 

Dec. 7 -- comments on draft JSC response to the ISBD RG response
involving ISBD/Discussion 1 and 2:  JSC reps

 

Dec. 8 -- comments on draft annual report:  JSC reps

 

Dec. 15 -- examples for variant access points (ALA/24):  Examples Group

 

Dec. 15 -- information to Gordon about problems with definition of
"projected" as a Media type:  JSC reps

 

Dec. 15 -- preparation of ALA/23/rev:  Kathy

 

Dec. 20 -- comments on terms of reference for places working group:  JSC
reps

 

Dec. 31 -- nominations for working group on places:  JSC reps

 

Dec. 31 -- report to JSC on "number" vs. "numeral" in RDA:  Judy

 

Jan. 1 -- draft to JSC of final Outcomes announcement:  Judy [JAK needs
to discuss this deadline with Gordon because precedes deadline for
comments on four follow-up documents and revision of ALA/23]

 

Jan. 10 -- comments on CCC/11/follow-up:  JSC reps

 

Jan. 10 -- comments on final Outcomes document:  JSC reps  

 

Jan. 13 -- comments on Music/3/follow-up:  JSC reps

 

Jan. 13 -- comments on BL/13/LC follow-up:  JSC reps

 

Jan. 13 -- probable deadline (not yet announced) for comments on
ALA/23/rev:  JSC reps

 

Jan. 13 -- posting of new Fast Track entries for April Update in Fast
Track log:  JSC reps

 

Jan. 15 -- distribution of Sec final document drafts for JSC review:
Judy

 

Jan. 15 -- revised draft of element analysis table:  Judy

 

Jan. 31 -- comments on Sec final document drafts:  JSC reps

 

Jan. 31 -- comments on revised draft of element analysis table:  JSC
reps

 

 


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Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designators for art technique books

[Danskin, Alan]

Jenny,

The choice of relationship designator should be determined by the role in 
relation to the resource being described. 

The artist is the creator of the art work and if the art work were being 
described, they may be designated artist.  However, if the art work is being 
used to illustrate another work, we have to assign the relationship the 
individual has to that resource i.e.  is as a contributor to an expression of 
the work, which can be refined to illustrator.

For example, E.H. Shepherd is the creator of a series of pictures of 
Winnie-the-Pooh, etc.

However, when these are included in an edition of The House at Pooh Corner, his 
relationship is that of illustrator.

If appropriate, a relationship to the work used as an illustration could be 
given, although most of us couldn't afford to do so.

Alan


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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Jenny Wright
Sent: 28 October 2013 10:52
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Relationship designators for art technique books

We've been discussing appropriate relationship designators for art technique 
books when the creator is the author of the instructions and the artist who 
created the demonstration pieces (whether watercolour or quilt).
Should they have two $e’s with artist and author or should they only be author? 
  Some cataloguers feel that when the creator is well known as a painter, say, 
they're inclined to add $e artist. I would like a stable basis for the 
decision, rather than how renowned the practitioner is, and therefore wondered 
what others thought?
Many thanks in advance 
Regards
Jenny Wright

Re: [RDA-L] Proposal to RDA 5.1.4 by EURIG

[Danskin, Alan]

Dear Yan,

 

I will take the liberty of stepping in and responding to this, as Judy may not 
be aware of the background to your enquiry.

 

The issue you refer to was one of several identified by the Technical Group on 
the adoption of RDA in France.  Many of the issues identified by this group 
were discussed by EURIG (the European RDA Interest Group) at the EURIG 
Technical Meeting, hosted by BNF, in Paris on 27 January 2012.

 

There was a consensus at the meeting that it would be desirable for RDA to 
provide alternative instructions that would not mandate any particular order of 
elements when constructing an access point.  However, EURIG has not prioritised 
this work and no proposal has been put to JSC and none is currently planned.

 

Kind regards,

 

Alan

 

 

Alan Danskin

Vice-Chair EURIG

British Library Representative to JSC

British Library

Boston Spa

Wetherby

West Yorkshire

LS23 7BY

 

Tel: +44(0)1937 546669

mobile: 07833401117

 

 

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Yan Lee
Sent: 21 October 2013 05:20
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Proposal to RDA 5.1.4 by EURIG

 

Dear Judy Kuhagen,

May I know what's going on about the proposal to RDA 5.1.4 by EURIG? Is there 
any discussion paper on this?

Proposal: No fixed order should be imposed upon the combination of an author’s 
name and the title of a Work. (RDA issues for discussion by EURIG, January 16, 
2012)

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Yan

 

On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:19 PM, JSC Secretary  
wrote:

The discussion paper listed below for the November 2013 JSC meeting is 
available on the public website (http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html); 
written responses are not required.

6JSC/Chair/9  [Element Set Discussion ("Notes on", "Details of", Source 
Consulted", etc.)]



Regards, Judy Kuhagen

JSC Secretary




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Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

[Danskin, Alan]

This is also the British Library's position.

 

Alan

 

Alan Danskin

Metadata Standards Manager

British Library

Boston Spa

Wetherby

West Yorkshire

LS23 7BY

 

Tel: +44(0)1937 546669

mobile: +44 (0)7833401117

 

 

 

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gary L Strawn
Sent: 30 September 2013 14:34
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

 

We are also retaining existing 245 $h for now, but not adding any more.
The information in these subfields can play an important part in the
automated generation of 33X fields, which we plan to do some time before
our migration to Alma.  After we use 245 $h to help generate the 33X
fields, we'll delete them.

 

Gary L. Strawn, Authorities Librarian, etc.   Twitter:
GaryLStrawn

Northwestern University Library, 1970 Campus Drive, Evanston IL
60208-2300

e-mail: mrsm...@northwestern.edu   voice: 847/491-2788   fax:
847/491-8306

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.   BatchCat version:
2007.25.428

 

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Miranda Nero
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:22 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

 

We have not removed GMD from AACR-2 records that were in our system
already or that we are bringing in from OCLC, and we are also not adding
them to RDA records. Adding a GMD to and RDA record creates extra work
that we don't have the time for. We are switching to Sierra in November
and because of the Material Type icons in the client display, we are
planning to remove all GMDs and add 33x fields to the records once we
have settled in with Sierra. The GMDs are very helpful in scanning in
Millennium (although we recommend our staff use the limit button to
distinguish between DVD and Blu-ray or Book on CD and Book on Cassette),
but in the minimal exposure the staff has had to Sierra so far, they
have looked straight to the Material Type icon. During this
transition/hybrid period, we haven't noticed much of an issue with the
lack of a GMD in some records.

 

Miranda Nero

Ocean State Libraries

 

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Dave Van Kleeck
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 3:29 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

 

As our ILS does not display icons, my director has asked us to add the
GMD to RDA records.  We do this with our local records only, not in
records we contribute to OCLC.  For us, the GMD is valuable to both
users and staff.  Sometime soon we hope to have the 33X fields enabled
for display and at that point we will reassess the value of the GMD in
combination with the 33X fields. 

 

Dave

 

David Van Kleeck
Cataloging & Technical Services
Holly Library 

A-B Tech Community College
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Asheville, NC 28801

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Karen Nelson
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:39 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

 

Hi, everyone;

 

Could we get some postings on what others are doing now with the GMD?
There are lots of opinions out there on this, I know. 

 

Accepting but not displaying in OPAC? 

Displaying? Etc.

 

Some rationales would be helpful too. My librarian thanks you!

 


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Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA

[Danskin, Alan]

As Kevin Randall pointed out:

"The guidelines are clearly stated in RDA 6.2.1.7:

Initial Articles
When recording the title, include an
initial article, if present.
Alternative:  Omit an initial article
(see appendix C) unless the title for a work is to be accessed under
that article (e.g., a title that begins with the name of a person or
place)."

So, either approach is permitted.  The choice will depend on your
context, as Kevin also noted:

"The LC-PCC PS says to apply the alternative"

The background to these alternative instructions is that theAACR2 rule
to omit the initial article from the Uniform Title (and other controlled
access points) was  perpetuated in RDA instructions for Preferred Title
for the Work in order to avoid wholesale changes to authorised headings
in authority records.  Nevertheless, JSC  recognised that the omission
of the article is not good practice because the resulting title does not
accurately represent the resource and (more importantly) may render the
title ungrammatical in inflected languages.

The omission posed a significant barrier to adoption of RDA by German
speaking communities.  In 2011 the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek put
forward  a change  proposal (6JSC/Chair/3) to designate the (existing)
instructions (to omit the initial article) as alternative instructions
and to introduce new instructions to enable the initial article to be
retained.  

The proposal was agreed by JSC and was implemented in RDA in April 2012.

Alan

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
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To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA

Jay Shorten posted:

>Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles?
 
RDA practice aside, this would not work in our present ILS's.  We should
not create records without regard for what our patrons must now use.

While most ILS have implemented the 245 filing indicator, I doubt many
have the 240 one.  Also, when the 240 moves to a 600$t or 700$t, there
should be no initial article.  There is also value in consistency with
legacy records for cross walk to Bibframe.  We do not yet know how
Bibframe will deal with uniform initial articles do we?

I would follow the RDA alternative and LCPCCPS, dropping that article.



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Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designator for author of the book for a musical

[Danskin, Alan]

We have been having this discussion too.  I agree that "author" would be
appropriate for the creator(s) of the  book. 

Alan



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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam Schiff
Sent: 11 June 2013 07:10
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Subject: [RDA-L] Relationship designator for author of the book for a
musical

Hi all,

What are people using for the author of the book for a musical?  The RDA
designator "librettist" seems to be for the sung words in a dramatic
musical work, rather than the spoken text.  I guess perhaps the correct
term would be "author"?  Or would people just use "librettist" for both
the words to the songs in a musical as well as the words spoken that
aren't sung?  Or perhaps use "lyricist" for the author of the words to
the songs and "librettist" for the author of the spoken words?

Thanks,

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Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
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[RDA-L] FW: RDA Implementation at the British Library

[Danskin, Alan]

 
>From the 1st April 2013, RDA : Resource Description and Access
 , replaced the Anglo-American Cataloguing
Rules, 2nd edition, as the British Library's official descriptive
cataloguing standard, for records added to the British National
Bibliography and British Library MARC Exchange files.  
 
British Library exchange files will continue to contain a mix of RDA and
AACR2 records over the foreseeable future.  The Library will continue to
re-use AACR2 records when no equivalent RDA record is available. DCRM

will continue to be used, where appropriate, for the description of rare
materials, but authorised access points and  other elements that are out
of scope of DCRM will be constructed following RDA, not AACR2.

 

The Library has a commitment to the enhancement of its legacy data;
including records converted from printed catalogues.  Amendments to
these records will generally be made in conformance with RDA. Records
will not be re-coded as RDA unless fully upgraded

 

The Library's contribution to LC/NACO Name Authority File
  switched to RDA during 2012.

 

 

kind regards,

 

Alan



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Re: [RDA-L] When will RDA truly arrive? Will it truly arrive?

[Danskin, Alan]

Martin,

Richard is right.  We are at the tipping point.  This year, British
Library, Library of Congress, Library and Archives Canada, National
Library of Australia and Deutsche Nationalbibliothek will all implement
RDA. Other UK legal deposit libraries are also preparing for
implementation this year.

As you may have seen, Bibliographic Data Service, who supply CIP data to
BL are also switching their cataloguing to RDA.  As our record
supply/book supply contracts are re-let, the required content standard
will change from AACR2 to RDA.

By end of March BL cataloguers will have switched to RDA and will no
longer create new AACR2 records (we will still derive them if there is
no equivalent RDA record).  During the course of this year, I expect
most new publications in BNB will have RDA records.  The number of new
AACR2 records in will diminish and continue to fall next year.  I can't
say when there will be no new AACR2 records, as experience shows that
major changes of this kind take a long time to work through.

Alan



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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
Sent: 22 January 2013 12:15
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] When will RDA truly arrive? Will it truly arrive?

Martin

The BL adopted RDA for authority records last year, and is currently
training its cataloguers in RDA for full implementation in March this
year. Personally I'd go for training in RDA now rather than AACR2, if
you can.

Cheers
Richard

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kelleher, Martin
Sent: 22 January 2013 10:26
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] When will RDA truly arrive? Will it truly arrive?

Hi all

We're going through a 'library review' here at the University of
Liverpool, which will include a substantial change in responsibilities,
including a switch from predominantly professional staff cataloguing to
nonprofessional staff, at least for copy cataloguing. 

At the moment, the plan is to train everyone in AACR2, because RDA never
really seems to actually arrive. It officially arrived 2-3 years ago,
yet the cataloguing world and it's records barely appeared to register
it - first there was the lengthy wait for LoC, NLM the BL and all the
other big libraries to accept it, then the revision, and then there were
proclamations of when they were to be adopted... this year - April, I
think?

Is this genuinely going to be the case? Are there going to be further
delays?? I don't want to push for the implementation of RDA if we're
still predominantly going to get AACR2 records for another 3 years!

Best wishes

 
Martin Kelleher
Electronic Resources/Bibliographic Services Librarian University of
Liverpool

[RDA-L] First issue v. latest issue - JSC Announcement

[Danskin, Alan]

 

JSC Announcement: First issue v. latest issue 

 

Recent discussions on RDA-L have high-lighted that in RDA the
description of resources issued in more than one part is based on the
earliest issued or lowest numbered part.(2.1.2.3) 

 

JSC acknowledges that this is not a FRBR requirement and creates a
barrier to the adoption of RDA.  JSC notes that different approaches
have different strengths and weaknesses: the earliest entry approach is
considered to be more economical; but the latest entry approach
emphasises convenience of the user.

 

JSC takes the view that data created under RDA should be sufficiently
flexible to support any approach, without compromising the capability to
control and link descriptions of serial resources.

 

JSC invites Deutsche Nationalbibliothek (DNB)  to prepare a discussion
paper for development of RDA to support a more flexible approach, while
sustaining the process of harmonization with ISSN Network and ISBD.

 

The discussion paper should consider changes to RDA guidelines and
instructions; evaluate probable impacts, including the effect on
bibliographic control and linking of serial descriptions.  Stakeholders
should be consulted and their views clearly represented.

 

JSC recognises that this is a substantial task, which will take some
time to realise.  In the interim, agencies following the latest entry
technique should continue to do so and may encode their records as RDA.
 
posted on behalf of JSC by,
 


 Alan Danskin 
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Re: [RDA-L] Outcomes Inaugural Meeting EURIG

[Danskin, Alan]

Dear all,

It is heartening to see so much transatlantic interest in EURIG but I
should explain this was a draft document circulated to EURIG members for
comment prior to public release via the EURIG Website.   These are not
the minutes of the meeting, which are being prepared, just the main
outcomes. The principle business of the meeting was to establish EURIG
formally and to set out some priorities for work.  A technical meeting
is scheduled for January 27th where the focus for discussion will be the
RDA instructions.

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Bernhard Eversberg
Sent: 15 December 2011 08:32
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Outcomes Inaugural Meeting EURIG

14.12.2011 22:34,  Gene Fieg:
> There are just two pages?  Stating that they had a meeting and plan 
> for more?
>

Considering it was a one-day meeting with, as per usual for inaugural
meetings, a lot of formalia on the agenda, what more could be expected?

On the "final agenda":

 
http://www.slainte.org.uk/eurig/docs/Inaugural/EURIG_Meeting_December_20
11_final.pdf

there was an hour and a half earmarked for "gathering topics to be
discussed" and topics for the next meeting in Paris 2012.
Mac had sent in a list, and I had added a supporting statement (for I
was unable to travel to Frankfurt that day). So there was at least
something that might have been "gathered" although we received no
confirmation yet. Whether it was on the table, and what else came up, I
don't know. To this moment, the official website doesn't tell more.

Then again, what do we know about what's actually happening or has
happened at the "Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative" front?
These things take time.

Doubtless, someone of those who met in Frankfurt and/or is involved in
the BFTI will be reading this list. Some informal statement about the
state of things would be welcome.

B.Eversberg

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[RDA-L] European RDA Interest Group (EURIG)

[Danskin, Alan]

Dear Colleagues,
 
I am delighted to bring to your attention the European RDA Interest
Group (EURIG) agreement which was signed at the Conference of European
National Libraries (CENL) meeting in Copenhagen last week.  Further
information  ,
including details of how to join EURIG can be found on the EURIG Website
 . 
 
EURIG exists to promote the common professional interests of all users,
and potential users, of RDA: Resource Description and Access, in Europe.

 
kind regards,
 
Alan
 
 


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Metadata Standards Manager


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[RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

[Danskin, Alan]

 Apologies for sharing this with the list.  It was intended to be a
reply to Richard Moore only.

Alan

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Danskin, Alan
Sent: 11 August 2011 09:43
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

Neither was I - although any large database (as we know) is likely to
contain errors.  You may like to draw Anthony's attention to Hal's
message, in case LC wish to rebut, or explain further.

Alan 

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
Sent: 11 August 2011 09:37
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

Hal 

>The initial work of correlating the data from the LC/NAF and the German

>authority files and the associated bibliographic records was so
effective 
>that it revealed thousands of errors in the LC/NAF -- duplicates, false

>attributions, errors with undifferentiated name records.  

I didn't know that. What was done about the errors?

Regards
Richard

_
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Authority Control Team Manager
The British Library

Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806
E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk
 

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

[Danskin, Alan]

Neither was I - although any large database (as we know) is likely to
contain errors.  You may like to draw Anthony's attention to Hal's
message, in case LC wish to rebut, or explain further.

Alan 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
Sent: 11 August 2011 09:37
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

Hal 

>The initial work of correlating the data from the LC/NAF and the German

>authority files and the associated bibliographic records was so
effective 
>that it revealed thousands of errors in the LC/NAF -- duplicates, false

>attributions, errors with undifferentiated name records.  

I didn't know that. What was done about the errors?

Regards
Richard

_
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Authority Control Team Manager
The British Library

Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806
E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk
 

[RDA-L] Message from JSC

[Danskin, Alan]

 
The Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA (JSC) welcomes the
decision by the US national libraries to implement RDA.  

 

The JSC looks forward to reviewing the full report and will then issue a
more detailed statement on our plans and priorities for achieving our
common goals.

 

The JSC will continue to work with all of our stakeholders, including:
the ISBD and FRBR Review Groups within IFLA; the Dublin Core Metadata
Initiative and the Open Metadata Registry, the MARC community; RDA/ONIX
Framework representatives; other rules makers, and ALA Publishing, to
encourage the widest possible adoption of RDA. 

 

kind regards,

 

Alan

 



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[RDA-L]

[Danskin, Alan]

 
The Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA (JSC) welcomes the
decision by the US national libraries to implement RDA.  

 

The JSC looks forward to reviewing the full report and will then issue a
more detailed statement on our plans and priorities for achieving our
common goals.

 

The JSC will continue to work with all of our stakeholders, including:
the ISBD and FRBR Review Groups within IFLA; the Dublin Core Metadata
Initiative and the Open Metadata Registry, the MARC community; RDA/ONIX
Framework representatives; other rules makers, and ALA Publishing, to
encourage the widest possible adoption of RDA. 

 

kind regards,

 

Alan

 



 Alan Danskin 
Chair Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA


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Re: [RDA-L] Place of publication in RDA (fwd)

[Danskin, Alan]

Dear Mac,

I hope you will forgive the delay in responding, there's a lot of
traffic on the list.

2.8.2 Instructs cataloguers to record the place of publication (which is
a transcribed element 2.8.1.4)

 "Include both the local place name (city, town, etc.) and the name of
the larger jurisdiction or jurisdictions (state, province, etc., and/or
country) if present on the source of information."

In your first example, both pieces of information come from the same
source, which is external to the resource.
In your second example, only "London" is on the resource.

This is a consistent application of RDA principles.  The resource is
being described in its own terms, which is sufficient for
identification, and an example of the "take what you see" approach.  The
cataloguer may also save some time on research. It is not clear what
benefit you perceive is derived from the addition of information about
the larger jurisdiction.

Kind regards,

Alan



 Alan Danskin 
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
Sent: 27 April 2011 03:24
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Place of publication in RDA (fwd)

So far I have seen no defense of this difference on or off list.

Mac


 Forwarded message 
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:54:42 -0700
From: "J. McRee Elrod" 
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: [RDA-L] Place of publication in RDA

It seems very strange to me that RDA would allow in MARC:

260  $a[London, Ontario]

but not

260  $aLondon [Ontario]

For the benefit of the patrons of our clients, we will add that
"[Ontario]" when lacking on the item, as we added "[Ont.]" with AACR2.

The inconsistency in adding jurisdictions was one of the worst parts of
AACR2 application, made worse by RDA.  I see no reason not to
consistently give needed information where expected.

   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
  ___} |__ \__

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

[Danskin, Alan]

Dear Mary Charles.

I can confirm Adam's response.  RDA merged separate AACR2 instructions relating 
to conferences, congresses, meetings, exhibitions and fairs into a single 
instruction: 11.2.2.11. As a consequence of this change, frequency is retained 
in the name of a conference (AACR2 24.7A1), congress or meeting and year of 
convocation is omitted from exhibitions, fairs, and festivals (AACR2 24.8A1).

Treating "events" consistently is a simplification of the instructions. The 
decision to include "frequency" in the name of the event is justified by the 
principle of representation if the event represents itself as an " Annual 
Conference" or the "Biennial Festival".

kind regards,

Alan
 



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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lasater, Mary Charles
Sent: 18 April 2011 12:58
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

Adam,

Thanks. 

Do you think that decision could be reconsidered, given the implications for 
'access' and RDA maintenance/fallout? It seems the 'bulk' of the current 
authority records/headings are for conference names. I've created a few of the 
others, but rarely. The less problematic change would be to treat fairs, 
exhibitions, festivals like conferences. I am certainly in favor of more 
consistency. 

I do not have access to the current version of RDA so I am unable to make 
proposals for changes. 

Mary Charles

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 3:39 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

Mary Charles,

Since no one yet has tried to give an explanation, and without searching 
through all of the JSC minutes, where it can probably be found, I think the 
short answer is that they wanted just one rule to cover both conferences, 
congresses, meetings, etc. and exhibitions, festivals, fairs, etc.  And in 
keeping with the principal of taking what you see for a name they decided not 
to drop off frequency words from conference names.  They were not dropped from 
exhibition/fair/festival names in AACR2.

Adam

^^
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Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
Box 352900
Seattle, WA 98195-2900
(206) 543-8409
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lasater, Mary Charles wrote:

> 
> I was also surprised by and concerned about this RDA change for 
> conference names. Would anyone be able to supply ?background? for this 
> decision? Is this a change because of other cataloging practices? Supposed to 
> reflect ?what you see? more closely or?
> 
>  
> 
> Mary Charles Lasater
> 
> Authorities Coordinator
> 
> Vanderbilt University
> 
>  
> 
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and 
> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.
> 
>  
> 
> I noticed that in recording and constructing conferences, that it is 
> now allowed to use frequency terms to modify the conference, like "annual".
> 
> I think that is a mistake, and goes against the implications of some 
> LCRIs that said to eliminate terms of frequency for other other publications.
> 
> It seems to me that you want the construction for a conference to 
> array together, whether they were annual, bienniel, quarterly, etc.
> 
> That way they would array by year of the conference, hopefully.  And 
> not be split by the term of frequency.  What if an Annual conference 
> becomes a Bienniel Conference, or vice versa.  I would say drop the 
> frequency term and only use
> |b Conference.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Gene Fieg
> Cataloger/Serials Librarian
> Claremont School of Theology
> gf...@cst.edu
> 
> 
>

Re: [RDA-L] RDA website maintenance

[Danskin, Alan]

Could you recall and resend as "JSC website..." to avoid ambiguity.

Alan

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To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA 
Sent: Thu Nov 18 09:11:29 2010
Subject: [RDA-L] RDA website maintenance

Dear Colleagues,

 

The RDA website will be unavailable on Tuesday 23rd November from 3.00 pm CST 
for a few hours in order to carry out essential maintenance. Only the JSC site 
will be effected. The RDA toolkit will remain available.

 

Regards,

 

Thurstan Young,

 

JSC Secretary 

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