Re: [RDA-L] Varying form of publisher's name on t.p./t.p. verso

[Karen Nelson]

I do have a - (ooh, almost said "final") - question related to this exchange.

What does RDA require when the place of publication on the title page is like 
this: Cambridge, Massachusetts, and London, England.

Both in $a, just as they are, including and, or two $a's, one for each city?

Karen Nelson
Capilano University

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Fox, Chris
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:03 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Varying form of publisher's name on t.p./t.p. verso

Trina,
This is one of the most logical, clear, direct explanation of a concept in RDA 
that I have ever heard or read.  I know this is a simple thing for most people, 
but for some of us struggling to understand and implement these new rules, 
either because we don't actually get to use it every day or because we don't 
have the time to really study the rules (and believe me, I know everyone is 
busy; I'm not implying that you all are not), an explanation like this really 
makes sense.  Hopefully, it will give people like me the ability to look for 
and apply the same kind of logic and reasoning concerning other rules.  Thanks 
for sharing your knowledge with us, Trina, and Mac as always.  I really 
appreciate it so much.
Chris

Chris Fox
Catalog Librarian
McKay Library
Brigham Young Univ.-Idaho
c...@byui.edu<mailto:c...@byui.edu>



From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Trina Pundurs
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:36 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Varying form of publisher's name on t.p./t.p. verso

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Dana Van Meter 
mailto:vanme...@ias.edu>> wrote:
[...]
My question is, in 2.2.2.2 when they say title page, they don't mean the t.p. 
verso, do they?  [...]
If I need to take the place of publication from the t.p. verso, should I then 
also take the publisher's name from the t.p. verso (follow rule 2.8.2.2)?

Hi Dana,
I find it helpful when struggling with a difficult 246 to begin by choosing and 
recording the publisher's name first, setting aside place for the moment.

So for your resource, applying 2.8.4.2 and taking the publisher's name from the 
same source as the title proper, you'd have
264 _1 ... $b Hordern House
and you are done with publisher's name.  There is no need to revisit it once 
you've recorded it.
After this you can turn your attention to place of publication.  Considering 
your resource again, 2.8.2.2 tells you that the first spot to look for place of 
publication is the same source as the publisher's name.  But there is no place 
of publication to be found there, so going back to 2.8.2.2 you can look 
anywhere else within the resource.  (And this does mean *anywhere*; there is 
nothing special or privileged about the t.p. verso.)  Once you choose your 
source, record the place of publication as it appears there.  Using t.p. verso 
as the source, you'd have
264 _1 $a Potts Point, NSW, Australia
(including "Australia" per 2.8.2.3)
Then finish up with date of publication.  You don't say whether there's a date 
on the title page -- if so, that's where you would take it from.  But if it 
appears only on the t.p. verso, you can take it from there, without brackets, 
per 2.8.6.2.
Put it all together and you get:
264 _1 $a Potts Point, NSW, Australia : $b Hordern House, $c 2004.

This can get frustrating, but as with all things, it gets easier the more you 
do it.
Trina

Trina Pundurs
Serials Cataloger
Library Collection Services
University of California, Berkeley
tpund...@library.berkeley.edu<mailto:tpund...@library.berkeley.edu>
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/
Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1990

Re: [RDA-L] Varying form of publisher's name on t.p./t.p. verso

[Karen Nelson]

I was just about to write the same thing, and Chris has said it all. Big thanks 
for this beautifully-done clarification.

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Fox, Chris
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:03 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Varying form of publisher's name on t.p./t.p. verso

Trina,
This is one of the most logical, clear, direct explanation of a concept in RDA 
that I have ever heard or read.  I know this is a simple thing for most people, 
but for some of us struggling to understand and implement these new rules, 
either because we don't actually get to use it every day or because we don't 
have the time to really study the rules (and believe me, I know everyone is 
busy; I'm not implying that you all are not), an explanation like this really 
makes sense.  Hopefully, it will give people like me the ability to look for 
and apply the same kind of logic and reasoning concerning other rules.  Thanks 
for sharing your knowledge with us, Trina, and Mac as always.  I really 
appreciate it so much.
Chris

Chris Fox
Catalog Librarian
McKay Library
Brigham Young Univ.-Idaho
c...@byui.edu



From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Trina Pundurs
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:36 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Varying form of publisher's name on t.p./t.p. verso

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Dana Van Meter 
mailto:vanme...@ias.edu>> wrote:
[...]
My question is, in 2.2.2.2 when they say title page, they don't mean the t.p. 
verso, do they?  [...]
If I need to take the place of publication from the t.p. verso, should I then 
also take the publisher's name from the t.p. verso (follow rule 2.8.2.2)?

Hi Dana,
I find it helpful when struggling with a difficult 246 to begin by choosing and 
recording the publisher's name first, setting aside place for the moment.

So for your resource, applying 2.8.4.2 and taking the publisher's name from the 
same source as the title proper, you'd have
264 _1 ... $b Hordern House
and you are done with publisher's name.  There is no need to revisit it once 
you've recorded it.
After this you can turn your attention to place of publication.  Considering 
your resource again, 2.8.2.2 tells you that the first spot to look for place of 
publication is the same source as the publisher's name.  But there is no place 
of publication to be found there, so going back to 2.8.2.2 you can look 
anywhere else within the resource.  (And this does mean *anywhere*; there is 
nothing special or privileged about the t.p. verso.)  Once you choose your 
source, record the place of publication as it appears there.  Using t.p. verso 
as the source, you'd have
264 _1 $a Potts Point, NSW, Australia
(including "Australia" per 2.8.2.3)
Then finish up with date of publication.  You don't say whether there's a date 
on the title page -- if so, that's where you would take it from.  But if it 
appears only on the t.p. verso, you can take it from there, without brackets, 
per 2.8.6.2.
Put it all together and you get:
264 _1 $a Potts Point, NSW, Australia : $b Hordern House, $c 2004.

This can get frustrating, but as with all things, it gets easier the more you 
do it.
Trina

Trina Pundurs
Serials Cataloger
Library Collection Services
University of California, Berkeley
tpund...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/
Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1990

[RDA-L] title page verso in 500 note

[Karen Nelson]

Hi, everyone;

Here is something I have not thought over until now.

I am adding a quoted note 500 in an imported copycat bib. I would normally 
attribute it thus:

--T. p. verso

Well, no abbrevations, so Title page verso. But, we are avoiding the Latin 
terms in RDA as often as poss., correct? So what are we calling the verso in 
layman's terms?

Thanks!

[RDA-L] Thank you

[Karen Nelson]

I spend a lot of time being grateful to all the generous people who share their 
expertise here. In this case, I am so pleased that so many took the trouble to 
comment on how they are handling GMD "in real time".

Karen Nelson
Capilano University

[RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

[Karen Nelson]

Hi, everyone;

Could we get some postings on what others are doing now with the GMD? There are 
lots of opinions out there on this, I know.

Accepting but not displaying in OPAC?
Displaying? Etc.

Some rationales would be helpful too. My librarian thanks you!

Re: [RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

[Karen Nelson]

Luckily I have kept this string ... still on the subject, I'm looking at a 
monograph (on scrapbooking) that includes as much image content as text, and 
lots of them are actually patterns.

So, two 336s (text and still image), but what does everyone do now re. patterns?

Karen

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Stewart, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:26 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

That is what we have decided to do as well.  For the more usual illustrated 
books, where the illustrations expand on or illuminate but are not central to 
the intellectual or artistic content, we just use the 336 for text.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Sandra Knapp 
mailto:sandra_kn...@wrdsb.on.ca>> wrote:
We have decided to include two 336s for text and still image when the title 
includes images or artwork which are and integral part of the story, as in 
picture books for children and graphic novels.

Sandra Knapp
Head Cataloguer
hours: 8:00 am to 3:30 pm, Mon-Fri.
Waterloo Region District School Board
Library Services Dept.
(519)570-0300 x4621

"If you don't have good quality cataloging, then you might as well take all the 
new materials the library receives, stick them in a giant bin, blindfold your 
patrons, and let them just grab random stuff from the bin and call it 
'research'."

Julie C. Swierczek



--
Richard A. Stewart
Cataloging Supervisor
Indian Trails Library District
355 Schoenbeck Road
Wheeling, Illinois 60090-4499
USA

Tel: 847-279-2214
Fax: 847-459-4760
rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.org
http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/

Re: [RDA-L] ] The "A" in RDA

[Karen Nelson]

Re. Mac's "two medieval stone masons being asked what they were doing.  One 
replied that he was chipping at a stone.  The other replied that he was 
building a cathedral.  As cataloguers, we need to stop just chippping stones, 
and return to cathedral building, a task we abandoned to the automation folk 
when we moved from card catalogues.  Our task should be to build catalogues, 
not just create bibliographic records".

I love this idea. And it does not necessarily preclude continuing to shape the 
best possible stones.

-Original Message-
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:59 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] ] The "A" in RDA

James said:

>... we have seen >lots and lots of discussion among catalogers about 
>the "D" (Description) but relatively little about "A" (Access).

Perhaps because RDA says nothing about indexing and display, both vital for 
access?

>... what about new methods of access *using the data we already have*?

Yes, what we most need is development of ILS/OPACs, as opposed to new rules or 
a new coding scheme.

I seem to recall a story of two medieval stone masons being asked what they 
were doing.  One replied that he was chipping at a stone.  The other replied 
that he was building a cathedral.  As cataloguers, we need to stop just 
chippping stones, and return to cathedral building, a task we abandoned to the 
automation folk when we moved from card catalogues.  Our task should be to 
build catalogues, not just create bibliographic records.


   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
  ___} |__ \__

Re: [RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

[Karen Nelson]

Right, that sounds like a good plan ... keep to what you know, as far as you 
can! Because I really don't see any other reason to choose differently.

Thanks again,  Joan!

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:19 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

Sheesh
As far as I known, illustrative content and color content are two separate 
elements in RDA. RDA does not tell us how to combine these two elements in one 
sub-field. I asked the question (long time ago) in this email list. I was told 
that currently we actually follow AACR2 practice to combine them. So the only 
difference you will see is no abbreviation. I was also told to record "chiefly 
illustrations" in 500 notes. For spelling, RDA provides two options: color or 
colour.
That is all I know. I hope that somebody else can give you more information :)
Thanks,
Joan Wang

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Karen Nelson 
mailto:knel...@capilanou.ca>> wrote:
Thanks for the replies, Joan and Darlene - but I am still confused, sorry. The 
way I learned (AACR2R) was:
300  45 p. : ill. (some col.) ... or (chiefly col.) ... or whatever.

That is to say, abbreviations and parentheses.

I am definitely an RDA novice, but I thought I knew that:

-There are to be no abbreviations, and we can use Canadian English 
spelling (so, "illustrations" and "colour" - or is it "coloured"??

-But am still unsure about word order and use of parentheses or not. 
Illustrations in colour, or Coloured illustrations? Some coloured, or Some in 
colour?  And is whatever chosen to go in parentheses still, or to follow a 
comma?
Sheesh.

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] On 
Behalf Of Joan Wang
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:32 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

Is it "45 pages : color illustrations"?

Thank you.
Joan Wang

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Darlene Taylor 
mailto:darlene.tay...@sait.ca>> wrote:
hi. The examples you are showing are mostly from the old cataloging 
rules,AACR2. They should be:

45 pages : illustrations (colour)
45 pages : illustrations (some colour)
45 pages : illustrations (chiefly colour)

Darlene Taylor, Instructor
Library Information Technology Program
SAIT Polytechnic
1301- 16 Ave. N.W.
Calgary, Alberta
T2M 0L4
403-284-8072

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] On Behalf 
Of Karen Nelson [knel...@capilanou.ca<mailto:knel...@capilanou.ca>]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:36 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: [RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

Help help.

I have read the RDA ToolKit instructions over and over, and looked at the 
workflows, and checked online...

Can't see that RDA actually says much about "how", but online I am seeing a 
whole lot of versions of how the recording of colour content is to be done. Are 
we agreed on anything?

I have seen:

300  45 p. : illustrations in colour
300  45 p. : coloured illustrations

300  45 p. : illustrations, some coloured
300  45 p. : illustrations, some in colour

300  45 p. : illustrations, chiefly coloured
300 45 p. : chiefly coloured illustrations

And many similar, but with the usual parentheses, though not so many include 
parentheses.

Which are correct? And why, please.



--
Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D.
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax



--
Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D.
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

[Karen Nelson]

Thanks for the replies, Joan and Darlene - but I am still confused, sorry. The 
way I learned (AACR2R) was:
300  45 p. : ill. (some col.) ... or (chiefly col.) ... or whatever.

That is to say, abbreviations and parentheses.

I am definitely an RDA novice, but I thought I knew that:

-There are to be no abbreviations, and we can use Canadian English 
spelling (so, "illustrations" and "colour" - or is it "coloured"??

-But am still unsure about word order and use of parentheses or not. 
Illustrations in colour, or Coloured illustrations? Some coloured, or Some in 
colour?  And is whatever chosen to go in parentheses still, or to follow a 
comma?
Sheesh.

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:32 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

Is it "45 pages : color illustrations"?

Thank you.
Joan Wang

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Darlene Taylor 
mailto:darlene.tay...@sait.ca>> wrote:
hi. The examples you are showing are mostly from the old cataloging 
rules,AACR2. They should be:

45 pages : illustrations (colour)
45 pages : illustrations (some colour)
45 pages : illustrations (chiefly colour)

Darlene Taylor, Instructor
Library Information Technology Program
SAIT Polytechnic
1301- 16 Ave. N.W.
Calgary, Alberta
T2M 0L4
403-284-8072

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] On Behalf 
Of Karen Nelson [knel...@capilanou.ca<mailto:knel...@capilanou.ca>]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:36 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: [RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

Help help.

I have read the RDA ToolKit instructions over and over, and looked at the 
workflows, and checked online...

Can't see that RDA actually says much about "how", but online I am seeing a 
whole lot of versions of how the recording of colour content is to be done. Are 
we agreed on anything?

I have seen:

300  45 p. : illustrations in colour
300  45 p. : coloured illustrations

300  45 p. : illustrations, some coloured
300  45 p. : illustrations, some in colour

300  45 p. : illustrations, chiefly coloured
300 45 p. : chiefly coloured illustrations

And many similar, but with the usual parentheses, though not so many include 
parentheses.

Which are correct? And why, please.



--
Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D.
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax

[RDA-L] 7.17 Colour content

[Karen Nelson]

Help help.

I have read the RDA ToolKit instructions over and over, and looked at the 
workflows, and checked online...

Can't see that RDA actually says much about "how", but online I am seeing a 
whole lot of versions of how the recording of colour content is to be done. Are 
we agreed on anything?

I have seen:

300  45 p. : illustrations in colour
300  45 p. : coloured illustrations

300  45 p. : illustrations, some coloured
300  45 p. : illustrations, some in colour

300  45 p. : illustrations, chiefly coloured
300 45 p. : chiefly coloured illustrations

And many similar, but with the usual parentheses, though not so many include 
parentheses.

Which are correct? And why, please.

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

[Karen Nelson]

Many thanks!

KN

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Benjamin A Abrahamse
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:43 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

Karen,

You are correct. MARC field 264 is repeatable for successive publication 
statements (e.g., for a serial or integrating resource). For a book published 
simultaneously in two countries, or jointly by two publishers, it works just 
like the MARC 260.

See: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html

Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems
MIT Libraries
617-253-7137

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Karen Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:34 PM
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

So, I get this bit now.

But here's another question, can't find any clues in the resources so far.

On t.p. verso of a title for which I have an RDA bib: the US and Canadian 
publication information.
I know I do not have to include the latter, but in a Canadian university 
library, I still want to.
Is the correct 264 as follows:

264_1$aNew York, NY :$bRandom House, Inc. ;$aToronto :$bRandom House of Canada 
Limited,|c[2012]

Or do I use two 264's?

I think the above is still correct, right? Two 264's (for publishers, that is, 
not for two entities performing different functions, such as pub and dist) are 
for multi-part & serials only?

This I hope will be my last question today. I will soon be giving Mac a run for 
his money as most frequent poster!
;)
KN

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of M. E.
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:07 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

Karen Nelson mailto:knel...@capilanou.ca>> wrote:
But I am still wondering about the issue of the author holding copyright ... 
does her name go in the second 264, if a second one is kept? Haven't seen it 
done so far.

The 264 field dedicated to copyright is for the date alone--that's it.  So all 
you'll get is:

- 264 -4 $c (c)2013

See RDA 2.11 for the instructions, if you have a copy.

If you want to get into the copyright weeds, there's the 542 field:
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd542.html

--
Mark K. Ehlert
Minitex
<http://www.minitex.umn.edu/>

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

[Karen Nelson]

So, I get this bit now.

But here's another question, can't find any clues in the resources so far.

On t.p. verso of a title for which I have an RDA bib: the US and Canadian 
publication information.
I know I do not have to include the latter, but in a Canadian university 
library, I still want to.
Is the correct 264 as follows:

264_1$aNew York, NY :$bRandom House, Inc. ;$aToronto :$bRandom House of Canada 
Limited,|c[2012]

Or do I use two 264's?

I think the above is still correct, right? Two 264's (for publishers, that is, 
not for two entities performing different functions, such as pub and dist) are 
for multi-part & serials only?

This I hope will be my last question today. I will soon be giving Mac a run for 
his money as most frequent poster!
;)
KN

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of M. E.
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:07 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

Karen Nelson mailto:knel...@capilanou.ca>> wrote:
But I am still wondering about the issue of the author holding copyright ... 
does her name go in the second 264, if a second one is kept? Haven't seen it 
done so far.

The 264 field dedicated to copyright is for the date alone--that's it.  So all 
you'll get is:

- 264 -4 $c (c)2013

See RDA 2.11 for the instructions, if you have a copy.

If you want to get into the copyright weeds, there's the 542 field:
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd542.html

--
Mark K. Ehlert
Minitex
<http://www.minitex.umn.edu/>

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

[Karen Nelson]

Thanks, everyone! I'll get there eventually... I hope.

I'm so glad our administrator agreed to fork out for the print version of RDA. 
I get so embroiled in ToolKit, even with all those online tutorials! Somehow, I 
still just love stuff on an actual PAGE. Call me a Luddite.

kn

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of M. E.
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:07 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

Karen Nelson mailto:knel...@capilanou.ca>> wrote:
But I am still wondering about the issue of the author holding copyright ... 
does her name go in the second 264, if a second one is kept? Haven't seen it 
done so far.

The 264 field dedicated to copyright is for the date alone--that's it.  So all 
you'll get is:

- 264 -4 $c (c)2013

See RDA 2.11 for the instructions, if you have a copy.

If you want to get into the copyright weeds, there's the 542 field:
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd542.html

--
Mark K. Ehlert
Minitex
<http://www.minitex.umn.edu/>

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

[Karen Nelson]

What Dana has just posted is very helpful (great timing!) and I have just 
noticed that Mac answered a very similar one from me last time I was fiddling 
with some RDA bibs. Should've checked my saved replies, note to self.

But I am still wondering about the issue of the author holding copyright ... 
does her name go in the second 264, if a second one is kept? Haven't seen it 
done so far.

Karen

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Subject: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

I am just getting my toes wet with some RDA copy cataloguing based on LC bibs.

Looking at the bib for Louise Erdrich's Round House, LCCN 2012005381.
There is a 260 in this one still. I want to edit it to 264(s). So far, I have 
included:

264_1|aNew York, NY :|bHarper,|c[2012]  or maybe [2012?]
264_4 |ccopyright 2012


My queries:
Since the author is identified on the tp verso as copyright holder, do I 
include her in the second (copyright) 264? I don't think I have seen that done, 
but does not to do so imply that Harper has the copyright?

Should the square-bracketed inferred date in the first 264 have a question 
mark, or not. LC had it in 260 without copyright symbol. Haven't checked the 
publisher's website yet.

This level of question will give someone a laugh, if nothing else.

Karen

[RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

[Karen Nelson]

I am just getting my toes wet with some RDA copy cataloguing based on LC bibs.

Looking at the bib for Louise Erdrich's Round House, LCCN 2012005381.
There is a 260 in this one still. I want to edit it to 264(s). So far, I have 
included:

264_1|aNew York, NY :|bHarper,|c[2012]  or maybe [2012?]
264_4 |ccopyright 2012


My queries:
Since the author is identified on the tp verso as copyright holder, do I 
include her in the second (copyright) 264? I don't think I have seen that done, 
but does not to do so imply that Harper has the copyright?

Should the square-bracketed inferred date in the first 264 have a question 
mark, or not. LC had it in 260 without copyright symbol. Haven't checked the 
publisher's website yet.

This level of question will give someone a laugh, if nothing else.

Karen

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

[Karen Nelson]

Haha. 

My librarian nearly had a fit when she discovered that I, as a new cataloguing 
technician, was deriving edition statements from CIP info. 

>From this you can see that she agrees with your local practice, and we 
>continue to work on that basis.

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:41 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

Our previous local practice was to never consider CIP data printed in the book 
as part of the "other preliminaries" that were valid as a prescribed source of 
information under AACR2 2.0B2.

RDA 2.2.2.1 says "Use as the preferred source of information a source forming 
part of the resource itself..."

Is CIP data printed in the book "part of the resource"?

Specifically, if the CIP includes an edition statement that does not appear 
anywhere else in the volume, should it be included in the bibliographic record?

--

Michael L. Cohen
Interim Head, Cataloging Department
General Library System
University of Wisconsin-Madison 
324C Memorial Library   
728 State Street
Madison, WI 53706-1494
Phone: (608) 262-3246Fax: (608) 262-4861
Email: mco...@library.wisc.edu

[RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

[Karen Nelson]

I am just looking at an LC record for a title which includes significant 
coloured illustrations. There are two 336's: one for text and one for still 
image.

I see the point, but of all the LC's RDA records for illustrated titles so far, 
this is the only one I've encountered handled this way - all others have had 
only the one 336, for text.

Comments, please! What is everyone else doing?

Karen Nelson
Capilano University

[RDA-L] Query re. 264 in RDA Toolkit

[Karen Nelson]

Hi, everyone;

I'm playing in my new sandbox and can't figure out why 260 - and not 264 - 
appears in Toolkit Tools tab under Mapping (RDA to MARC and MARC to RDA).

Thanks!