LC PCC PS 1.7.1 is a guideline for all notes, including a 504. As you say, 504
does not contain quoted data. Since the instruction for square brackets says
they are to be used only in the case of quoted data, they should not be used
for the case of unprinted page numbers. This is a departure from past practice.
Hope this helps,
Lizzy
Elizabeth Schroeder
Cataloging/Metadata Librarian
Cardinal Stritch University Library
Phone: 414-410-4258
E-mail: eeschroed...@stritch.edumailto:eeschroed...@stritch.edu
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
I don't see how LC PCC PS 1.71. applies to this. The one example given simply
gives the pages. The past practice would indicate that those page numbers are
actually printed in the item. If not, then the pages not numbered would be put
in brackets, so that if p. 310 were not printed the note would read (pages
[310]-325.
If both 310 and 325 were not printed, it would be (pages [310]-[325] (meaning
that pages 311-324 are printed
If none of the pages numbers are printed, but only implied, the extent of the
bibliography would be (p. [310-325]
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Gene Fieg
gf...@cst.edumailto:gf...@cst.edu wrote:
Just a note here: 504 is not a quoted note, but one that is constructed:
Includes bibliographical references ()
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dana Van Meter
vanme...@ias.edumailto:vanme...@ias.edu wrote:
Thanks everyone. I did see rule 1.7.1 at some point in my RDA travels, and
then forgot about it. I agree that it probably should apply in the case of the
504. I hate that cataloging in RDA feels like assembling a puzzle every single
time. I wish that one didn't have to jump to all over the place to find out
how one thing should be done.
Thanks again.
-Dana
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You'd omit the brackets, according to LC-PSS 1.7.1, which says Do not use
square brackets in notes except when they are used in quoted data, and gives
this example:
500http://desktop.loc.gov/saved/Mabibl_500 ##
$aTypes of prayer wheels found in south central Tibet, by Mei Lin: pages
310-375.
Not ... pages [310]-[375].
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Michelle Cronquist
North Caroliniana Cataloger
Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Subject: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
Hello. I've rooted around RDA several times trying to find an answer to this
question and I can't find one anywhere. Is there any direction anywhere in RDA
or in the policy statements that tell you what to do when you are noting that
bibliographical references are present and are noting the page numbers the
references fall on, and where either the starting or ending (though usually the
starting) page is not numbered in the book itself. In AACR2 we would put the
correct page number inside square brackets. In most of the cases of this
situation I've seen in the RDA copy that's out there, I see people just citing
the page number without the square brackets. I've only seen someone use square
brackets once or twice. The AACR2 in me hates to put the page number without
the square bracket when the page is not numbered in the book itself, which is
generally the case with most of the books I catalog, as the heading
Bibliography (or Bibliographical References, or whatever the case may be)
usually appears a bit lower down on the page, and thus the page number is
usually skipped on the starting page for the bibliographical references. I've
looked at rule 7.16.1.3 and the LC-PCC PS for 7.16.1.3 and neither mentions
what to do in a bibliographical references note when the starting (or ending)
page is not numbered in the book itself.
Is this mentioned anywhere in RDA, or in an LC-PCC PS? If it's not, can
someone from LC monitoring this list please add this to the LC-PCC PS for
7.16.1.3 so I don't have to hem and haw every time I encounter this situation?
Thanks very much for your help,
Dana Van Meter
Cataloging Librarian
Historical Studies-Social Science Library
Institute for Advanced Study
Princeton, NJ 08540
vanme...@ias.edumailto:vanme...@ias.edu
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Gene Fieg
