Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field
itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be
programmed to display the data with a label like Thesis: or something
similar.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
asch...@uw.edu
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From: Basma Chebani
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Dear Mr. Elrod,
Thank you all for your clarifications.
I am not sure what to put in 502|a.
Can I use the term Thesis or Dissertation in 502|a ??
At the end of your reply you have mentioned On the other hand, we do not
use the 505 subfields. I think you don't use 502 subfields. Correct?
Thank you.
Basma Chebani
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From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:14 PM
To: Basma Chebani
Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Basma Chebani said:
Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA
for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples.
This seems more a matter of MARC than RDA.
We use the new 502 subfields, but retain the old punctuation (contra PCC).
So far as we know, none of our clients have ILS which supply the
punctuation. If there ever is such, I hope they are sophisticated enough
not to double the punctuation.
I don't like the omission of Thesis etc. in the examples of subfield coded
502's.
On the other hand, we do not use the 505 subfields.
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
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Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Adam,
As you say, in the structured 502 $a is not used. In which case $g Thesis would
be helpful, incorrect, or superfluous?
Jack
Jack Wu
Franciscan University of Steubenville
j...@franciscan.edu
Adam Schiff asch...@u.washington.edu 10/25/2013 3:42 AM
In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field
itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be
programmed to display the data with a label like Thesis: or something
similar.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
asch...@uw.edu
-Original Message-
From: Basma Chebani
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:20 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Dear Mr. Elrod,
Thank you all for your clarifications.
I am not sure what to put in 502|a.
Can I use the term Thesis or Dissertation in 502|a ??
At the end of your reply you have mentioned On the other hand, we do not
use the 505 subfields. I think you don't use 502 subfields. Correct?
Thank you.
Basma Chebani
-Original Message-
From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:14 PM
To: Basma Chebani
Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Basma Chebani said:
Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA
for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples.
This seems more a matter of MARC than RDA.
We use the new 502 subfields, but retain the old punctuation (contra PCC).
So far as we know, none of our clients have ILS which supply the
punctuation. If there ever is such, I hope they are sophisticated enough
not to double the punctuation.
I don't like the omission of Thesis etc. in the examples of subfield coded
502's.
On the other hand, we do not use the 505 subfields.
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Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
In article
b0a8016e9ea6684cb471c70a64917206039352b10...@aub-ex.win2k.aub.edu.lb, you
wrote:
I am not sure what to put in 502|a.
I'm told 502$a is reserved for the full note, with no subfields, and
should not be used for the lacking Thesis, Dissertation, or other
term. I am told it should go first in $g. Nobody will arrest you if
you use $a.
Concerning which term to use, use the term the item uses to describe
itself in the language of the item, e.g., Thesis from A Thesis
submitted in partial fulfillment of the Requirements
At the end of your reply you have mentioned On the other hand, we
do not use the 505 subfields. I think you don't use 502 subfields.
We do use subfield codes in 502 dissertation note, for greater
granularity, and in case there is every searching or limitation of
searching by one of those elements. We do not use subfields in 505
Contents, because titles have initial articles, and author's names are
in direct order, so are not suitable for indexing. The are accessed
by keyword searching.
Adam said:
In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field
itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be
programmed to display the data with a label like Thesis: or something
similar.
Whether it calls itself a thesis, dissertation, honour essay, or a non
English term would be important to some.
Just how many ILS are programed to display a print constant, and a
print constant not always accurate at that? Reminds me of calling a
100 criminal defendant Author:.
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Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
I think it depends on what your system does with the display of the field. If
it provides a label in front of the data like “Thesis:” or “Thesis information”
then adding something in $g is superfluous. Also, can your system display the
text in $g in front of the other data? If not, I think it would just look odd.
Adam
From: Jack Wu
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:32 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Adam,
As you say, in the structured 502 $a is not used. In which case $g Thesis would
be helpful, incorrect, or superfluous?
Jack
Jack Wu
Franciscan University of Steubenville
j...@franciscan.edu
Adam Schiff asch...@u.washington.edu 10/25/2013 3:42 AM
In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field
itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be
programmed to display the data with a label like Thesis: or something
similar.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
asch...@uw.edu
-Original Message-
From: Basma Chebani
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:20 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Dear Mr. Elrod,
Thank you all for your clarifications.
I am not sure what to put in 502|a.
Can I use the term Thesis or Dissertation in 502|a ??
At the end of your reply you have mentioned On the other hand, we do not
use the 505 subfields. I think you don't use 502 subfields. Correct?
Thank you.
Basma Chebani
-Original Message-
From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:14 PM
To: Basma Chebani
Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Basma Chebani said:
Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA
for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples.
This seems more a matter of MARC than RDA.
We use the new 502 subfields, but retain the old punctuation (contra PCC).
So far as we know, none of our clients have ILS which supply the
punctuation. If there ever is such, I hope they are sophisticated enough
not to double the punctuation.
I don't like the omission of Thesis etc. in the examples of subfield coded
502's.
On the other hand, we do not use the 505 subfields.
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Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Thanks Adam for the clarification.
Jack
Adam Schiff asch...@u.washington.edu 10/25/2013 1:51 PM
I think it depends on what your system does with the display of the
field. If it provides a label in front of the data like “Thesis:” or
“Thesis information” then adding something in $g is superfluous.
Also, can your system display the text in $g in front of the other data?
If not, I think it would just look odd.
Adam
From: Jack Wu
( mailto:j...@franciscan.edu)
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:32 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Adam,
As you say, in the structured 502 $a is not used. In which case $g
Thesis would be helpful, incorrect, or superfluous?
Jack
Jack Wu
Franciscan University of Steubenville
j...@franciscan.edu
Adam Schiff asch...@u.washington.edu 10/25/2013 3:42 AM
In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field
itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should
be
programmed to display the data with a label like Thesis: or something
similar.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
asch...@uw.edu
-Original Message-
From: Basma Chebani
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:20 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Dear Mr. Elrod,
Thank you all for your clarifications.
I am not sure what to put in 502|a.
Can I use the term Thesis or Dissertation in 502|a ??
At the end of your reply you have mentioned On the other hand, we do
not
use the 505 subfields. I think you don't use 502 subfields. Correct?
Thank you.
Basma Chebani
-Original Message-
From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:14 PM
To: Basma Chebani
Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Basma Chebani said:
Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA
for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples.
This seems more a matter of MARC than RDA.
We use the new 502 subfields, but retain the old punctuation (contra
PCC).
So far as we know, none of our clients have ILS which supply the
punctuation. If there ever is such, I hope they are sophisticated
enough
not to double the punctuation.
I don't like the omission of Thesis etc. in the examples of subfield
coded
502's.
On the other hand, we do not use the 505 subfields.
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[RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Hello, Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples. The simple one : 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. The complex one: 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. MARC examples: 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. 502 ##$aInaug.--Diss.--Heidelberg, 1972. 502 ##$aKarl Schmidt's thesis (doctoral)--Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich, 1965. 502 ##$aMémoire de stage (3e cycle)--Université de Nantes, 1981. 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. 502 ##$bM.A.$cInternational Faith Theological Seminary, London$d2005. 502 ##$bM.A.$cMcGill University$d1972$gInaugural thesis. 502 ##$gKarl Schmidt's thesis$bDoctoral$cLudwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich $d1965. 502 ##$aHeidelberg, Phil. F., Diss. v. 1. Aug. 1958 (Nicht f. d. Aust.)$oU 58.4033. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.html Please asdvise Basma Chebani Head of Cataloging and Metadata Services Department University Libraries / Jafet American University of Beirut Beirut - Lebanon Tel: 961-1-35 ext.2614 basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lbmailto:basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lb
Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Hi, Basma-I've been following the complex one in your list of examples, using the subfields b, c and d, as you illustrated. Rick McRae Catalog / Reference Librarian Sibley Music Library Eastman School of Music (585) 274-1370 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Basma Chebani Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:36 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hello, Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples. The simple one : 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. The complex one: 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. MARC examples: 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. 502 ##$aInaug.--Diss.--Heidelberg, 1972. 502 ##$aKarl Schmidt's thesis (doctoral)--Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich, 1965. 502 ##$aMémoire de stage (3e cycle)--Université de Nantes, 1981. 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. 502 ##$bM.A.$cInternational Faith Theological Seminary, London$d2005. 502 ##$bM.A.$cMcGill University$d1972$gInaugural thesis. 502 ##$gKarl Schmidt's thesis$bDoctoral$cLudwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich $d1965. 502 ##$aHeidelberg, Phil. F., Diss. v. 1. Aug. 1958 (Nicht f. d. Aust.)$oU 58.4033. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.html[loc.gov]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.htmlk=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0Ar=0gSrvKjT%2BPIH1qowPkG1DEFVe%2BzWbUgoo68Hts%2BU92Q%3D%0Am=5C7%2Fre0fGPOtW1uZEYfy98IxDEXeYlT440Lp8uNRGbc%3D%0As=1fbc718fd5697a00e336265bebbf84f43b7a03a4f2dace2a043b436f6f023dc5 Please asdvise Basma Chebani Head of Cataloging and Metadata Services Department University Libraries / Jafet American University of Beirut Beirut - Lebanon Tel: 961-1-35 ext.2614 basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lbmailto:basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lb
Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
RDA appears to consider each piece of data as separate elements (RDA rules 7.9.2, 7.9.3, 7.9.4). Also, the example in the LC-PCC PS for RDA 7.9.1.3 uses the more complex MARC coding with the subfields b, c, d. We've also been using the coding with the separate subfields in order to make the metadata more granular. Adam Zukowski Metadata Librarian Albert S. Cook Library Towson University (410)704-5318 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hi, Basma-I've been following the complex one in your list of examples, using the subfields b, c and d, as you illustrated. Rick McRae Catalog / Reference Librarian Sibley Music Library Eastman School of Music (585) 274-1370 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Basma Chebani Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:36 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hello, Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples. The simple one : 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. The complex one: 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. MARC examples: 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. 502 ##$aInaug.--Diss.--Heidelberg, 1972. 502 ##$aKarl Schmidt's thesis (doctoral)--Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich, 1965. 502 ##$aMémoire de stage (3e cycle)--Université de Nantes, 1981. 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. 502 ##$bM.A.$cInternational Faith Theological Seminary, London$d2005. 502 ##$bM.A.$cMcGill University$d1972$gInaugural thesis. 502 ##$gKarl Schmidt's thesis$bDoctoral$cLudwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich $d1965. 502 ##$aHeidelberg, Phil. F., Diss. v. 1. Aug. 1958 (Nicht f. d. Aust.)$oU 58.4033. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.html[loc.gov]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.htmlk=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0Ar=0gSrvKjT%2BPIH1qowPkG1DEFVe%2BzWbUgoo68Hts%2BU92Q%3D%0Am=5C7%2Fre0fGPOtW1uZEYfy98IxDEXeYlT440Lp8uNRGbc%3D%0As=1fbc718fd5697a00e336265bebbf84f43b7a03a4f2dace2a043b436f6f023dc5 Please asdvise Basma Chebani Head of Cataloging and Metadata Services Department University Libraries / Jafet American University of Beirut Beirut - Lebanon Tel: 961-1-35 ext.2614 basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lbmailto:basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lb
Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Hi Basma, LC-PCC policy statement for 7.9 says to record the sub-elements... in the appropriate subfield[s] of MARC field 502, without AACR2-style punctuation between the sub-fields and has an example with $b $c $d. It also has an AACR2-style example, with note AACR2-style note; uses $a only. It seems if you follow LC/PCC practice, you would use $b $c $d, the complex one. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu McRae, Rick rmc...@esm.rochester.edu 10/24/2013 9:38 AM Hi, Basma—I’ve been following the “complex one” in your list of examples, using the subfields b, c and d, as you illustrated. Rick McRae Catalog / Reference Librarian Sibley Music Library Eastman School of Music (585) 274-1370 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Basma Chebani Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:36 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hello, Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples. The simple one : 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. The complex one: 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. MARC examples: 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. 502 ##$aInaug.--Diss.--Heidelberg, 1972. 502 ##$aKarl Schmidt's thesis (doctoral)--Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich, 1965. 502 ##$aMémoire de stage (3e cycle)--Université de Nantes, 1981. 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. 502 ##$bM.A.$cInternational Faith Theological Seminary, London$d2005. 502 ##$bM.A.$cMcGill University$d1972$gInaugural thesis. 502 ##$gKarl Schmidt's thesis$bDoctoral$cLudwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich $d1965. 502 ##$aHeidelberg, Phil. F., Diss. v. 1. Aug. 1958 (Nicht f. d. Aust.)$oU 58.4033. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.html[loc.gov] ( https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.htmlk=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0Ar=0gSrvKjT%2BPIH1qowPkG1DEFVe%2BzWbUgoo68Hts%2BU92Q%3D%0Am=5C7%2Fre0fGPOtW1uZEYfy98IxDEXeYlT440Lp8uNRGbc%3D%0As=1fbc718fd5697a00e336265bebbf84f43b7a03a4f2dace2a043b436f6f023dc5) Please asdvise Basma Chebani Head of Cataloging and Metadata Services Department University Libraries / Jafet American University of Beirut Beirut – Lebanon Tel: 961-1-35 ext.2614 basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lb Scanned by for virus, malware and spam by SCM appliance
Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Basma Chebani said:
Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA
for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples.
This seems more a matter of MARC than RDA.
We use the new 502 subfields, but retain the old punctuation (contra
PCC). So far as we know, none of our clients have ILS which supply
the punctuation. If there ever is such, I hope they are sophisticated
enough not to double the punctuation.
I don't like the omission of Thesis etc. in the examples of subfield
coded 502's.
On the other hand, we do not use the 505 subfields.
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
{__ | / Special Libraries Cataloguing HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
___} |__ \__
Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
We have been using the more complex 502, coded out as of the last batch of school papers. Our systems librarian was able to edit the display so that it generated a Thesis statement that our bibliographers would like. our 502 ‡b M. Phil. ‡c School of Advanced Air and Space Studies ‡d 2012. generates: Dissertation Note: M. Phil. -- School of Advanced Air and Space Studies, 2012. //SIGNED// Patricia Fogler Chief, Cataloging Section (AUL/LTSC) Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center DSN 493-2135 Comm (334) 953-2135 Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Zukowski, Adam Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:48 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA RDA appears to consider each piece of data as separate elements (RDA rules 7.9.2, 7.9.3, 7.9.4). Also, the example in the LC-PCC PS for RDA 7.9.1.3 uses the “more complex” MARC coding with the subfields b, c, d. We’ve also been using the coding with the separate subfields in order to make the metadata more granular. Adam Zukowski Metadata Librarian Albert S. Cook Library Towson University (410)704-5318 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hi, Basma—I’ve been following the “complex one” in your list of examples, using the subfields b, c and d, as you illustrated. Rick McRae Catalog / Reference Librarian Sibley Music Library Eastman School of Music (585) 274-1370 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Basma Chebani Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:36 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hello, Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples. The simple one : 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. The complex one: 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. MARC examples: 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. 502 ##$aInaug.--Diss.--Heidelberg, 1972. 502 ##$aKarl Schmidt's thesis (doctoral)--Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich, 1965. 502 ##$aMémoire de stage (3e cycle)--Université de Nantes, 1981. 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. 502 ##$bM.A.$cInternational Faith Theological Seminary, London$d2005. 502 ##$bM.A.$cMcGill University$d1972$gInaugural thesis. 502 ##$gKarl Schmidt's thesis$bDoctoral$cLudwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich $d1965. 502 ##$aHeidelberg, Phil. F., Diss. v. 1. Aug. 1958 (Nicht f. d. Aust.)$oU 58.4033. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.html[loc.gov] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliogr aphic/concise/bd502.htmlk=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0Ar=0gSrvKjT%2BPIH1 qowPkG1DEFVe%2BzWbUgoo68Hts%2BU92Q%3D%0Am=5C7%2Fre0fGPOtW1uZEYfy98IxDEXeYlT 440Lp8uNRGbc%3D%0As=1fbc718fd5697a00e336265bebbf84f43b7a03a4f2dace2a043b436 f6f023dc5 Please asdvise Basma Chebani Head of Cataloging and Metadata Services Department University Libraries / Jafet American University of Beirut Beirut – Lebanon Tel: 961-1-35 ext.2614 basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lb smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Also, I believe OCLC is going to be converting old simple 502s into the more granular version with multiple subfields. That was enough for my institution to go ahead and adopt the new format. Alex Kyrios Metadata and Catalog Librarian University of Idaho 208-885-2513 akyr...@uidaho.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:50 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA We have been using the more complex 502, coded out as of the last batch of school papers. Our systems librarian was able to edit the display so that it generated a Thesis statement that our bibliographers would like. our 502 ‡b M. Phil. ‡c School of Advanced Air and Space Studies ‡d 2012. generates: Dissertation Note: M. Phil. -- School of Advanced Air and Space Studies, 2012. //SIGNED// Patricia Fogler Chief, Cataloging Section (AUL/LTSC) Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center DSN 493-2135 Comm (334) 953-2135 Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Zukowski, Adam Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:48 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA RDA appears to consider each piece of data as separate elements (RDA rules 7.9.2, 7.9.3, 7.9.4). Also, the example in the LC-PCC PS for RDA 7.9.1.3 uses the “more complex” MARC coding with the subfields b, c, d. We’ve also been using the coding with the separate subfields in order to make the metadata more granular. Adam Zukowski Metadata Librarian Albert S. Cook Library Towson University (410)704-5318 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hi, Basma—I’ve been following the “complex one” in your list of examples, using the subfields b, c and d, as you illustrated. Rick McRae Catalog / Reference Librarian Sibley Music Library Eastman School of Music (585) 274-1370 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Basma Chebani Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:36 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA Hello, Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples. The simple one : 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. The complex one: 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. MARC examples: 502 ##$aThesis (M.A.)--University College, London, 1969. 502 ##$aInaug.--Diss.--Heidelberg, 1972. 502 ##$aKarl Schmidt's thesis (doctoral)--Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich, 1965. 502 ##$aMémoire de stage (3e cycle)--Université de Nantes, 1981. 502 ##$bPh.D$cUniversity of Louisville$d1997. 502 ##$bM.A.$cInternational Faith Theological Seminary, London$d2005. 502 ##$bM.A.$cMcGill University$d1972$gInaugural thesis. 502 ##$gKarl Schmidt's thesis$bDoctoral$cLudwig-Maximilians-Universität, Munich $d1965. 502 ##$aHeidelberg, Phil. F., Diss. v. 1. Aug. 1958 (Nicht f. d. Aust.)$oU 58.4033. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/bd502.html[loc.gov] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliogr aphic/concise/bd502.htmlk=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0Ar=0gSrvKjT%2BPIH1 qowPkG1DEFVe%2BzWbUgoo68Hts%2BU92Q%3D%0Am=5C7%2Fre0fGPOtW1uZEYfy98IxDEXeYlT 440Lp8uNRGbc%3D%0As=1fbc718fd5697a00e336265bebbf84f43b7a03a4f2dace2a043b436 f6f023dc5 Please asdvise Basma Chebani Head of Cataloging and Metadata Services Department University Libraries / Jafet American University of Beirut Beirut – Lebanon Tel: 961-1-35 ext.2614 basma.cheb...@aub.edu.lb
Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Dear Mr. Elrod,
Thank you all for your clarifications.
I am not sure what to put in 502|a.
Can I use the term Thesis or Dissertation in 502|a ??
At the end of your reply you have mentioned On the other hand, we do not use
the 505 subfields. I think you don't use 502 subfields. Correct?
Thank you.
Basma Chebani
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From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:14 PM
To: Basma Chebani
Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA
Basma Chebani said:
Can anyone help me in deciding which example I have to follow in RDA
for Dissertation Note since both forms are accepted in MARC examples.
This seems more a matter of MARC than RDA.
We use the new 502 subfields, but retain the old punctuation (contra PCC). So
far as we know, none of our clients have ILS which supply the punctuation. If
there ever is such, I hope they are sophisticated enough not to double the
punctuation.
I don't like the omission of Thesis etc. in the examples of subfield coded
502's.
On the other hand, we do not use the 505 subfields.
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