Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and stereographic

2012-10-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Carrier Type includes Media Type as a constituent attribute, which means 
Carrier Type volume includes unmediated and would therefore exclude 
stereographic for the intermediation attribute. One can't combine volume 
and stereographic, and stereographic by itself would at least point to 
Carrier Type other.

The stereographic carriers include stereograph card, stereograph disc, and 
other.
http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/rdacarrier.html


Carrier Type other would have to be used with media type stereographic for 
carriers that are different from the two defined ones:

Stereograph card - mapped to 007 (non-projected graphic) /01 = h for 
photoprint ... (opaque stereographs are included here)
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd007k.html

Stereograph disc - mapped to 007 (projected graphic) /01 = s for slide ... 
Includes modern stereographs, e.g. Viewmaster reels
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd007g.html

For recording extent, RDA 3.4.4.3 instructions for multiple images in a single 
carrier might be appropriate - basically resulting in something in the form of 
25 stereograph images in 1 volume, along with using Carrier type = other 
and Media type = stereographic.
Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library


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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz
Sent: October 25, 2012 11:00 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

On Friday, October 26, 2012, Greta de Groat wrote:
We also ran into problems with a book that consisted almost entirely of 
stereographic images, but volume isn't listed under stereographic carriers so 
we weren't sure we could use 337 stereographic with 338 volume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoscope
Apparently, stereographic images can also appear on slides, printed sheets, and 
iPhones, so, I would say that the carrier list might need updating for this 
media, but until that happens, it seems to me that the only option, to mirror 
the media, would be to use 'other' as the carrier type.

But I'm assuming that you also have text in this resource, so perhaps the logic 
might be that as long as you record *a* carrier type you are covered.

So, I would say to myself what I have here are still images (Content) that can 
be accessed using a stereographic viewer (Media) or can be viewed unmediated 
(Media)-although not the way they were intended, although you can apparently 
force your eyes to see stereographically without a viewer-in a volume 
(Carrier), so:

Content Type (336$a): still image
Content Type (336$a): text
Media Type (337$a): stereographic
Media Type (337$a): unmediated
Carrier Type (338$a): volume
Extent (300$a): [n] pages
Nature of the Content(500$a): Stereographic images with commentary text

So, let me ask Greta's question again: is it ok to list a Media Type, without 
also listing its specifically corresponding Carrier Type, as long as you *do* 
list a carrier type for other contents?

Deborah

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Deborah Fritz
TMQ, Inc.
debo...@marcofquality.commailto:debo...@marcofquality.com
www.marcofquality.comhttp://www.marcofquality.com

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Greta de Groat
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:39 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

We also ran into problems with a book that consisted almost entirely of 
stereographic images, but volume isn't listed under stereographic carriers so 
we weren't sure we could use 337 stereographic with 338 volume.

Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries



Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and stereographic

2012-10-27 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas Brennndorfer said:

Carrier Type includes Media Type as a constituent attribute, which
means Carrier Type volume includes unmediated and would therefore
exclude stereographic for the intermediation attribute. One can't
combine volume and stereographic, and stereographic by itself
would at least point to Carrier Type other.

This seems to me to be theory over common sense.  If the stereographic
images are in a volume, that is what one has. 

It seems to me that an instruction to use the actual carrier would be
fine; less work than adding every possible carrier to every media
category.  Those carriers given under media type are representative,
not exhaustive.  Combinations which have not occurred to us will
happen.

People talk of escaping the MARC straight jacket{.  RDA as described
by Thomas is even a greater straight jacket.  The least we owe patrons
is truth in description, and that includes calling a volume a volume.


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Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and stereographic

2012-10-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
 -Original Message-
 From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca]
 Sent: October 27, 2012 1:54 PM
 To: Brenndorfer, Thomas
 Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
 Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and
 stereographic
 
 Thomas Brennndorfer said:
 
 Carrier Type includes Media Type as a constituent attribute, which
 means Carrier Type volume includes unmediated and would therefore
 exclude stereographic for the intermediation attribute. One can't
 combine volume and stereographic, and stereographic by itself
 would at least point to Carrier Type other.
 
 This seems to me to be theory over common sense.  If the stereographic
 images are in a volume, that is what one has.



No, that's not what you have. You still need a separate intermediary device for 
the carrier.


Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library


Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA -- Carrier Type and stereographic

2012-10-27 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas said of stereographic images in a volume:

No, that's not what you have. You still need a separate intermediary
device for the carrier.

Yes, that is what you have.  You need a separate intermediate device
to ser the images *in* the carrier in 3D.  The volume can be pulled
from the shelf and flipped through to select images to be viewed.

How is other more helpful to patrons. when what they will find on
the shelf is a volume?  We seem to have lost sight of the purpose of
our bibliographic records in a fog of theory.  Records are created to
facilitate access.  That should include being specific and true in
labels, including not saying other, when one has a volume.

Field 338 is repeating, and has repeating $a.  A second term could be
added for the medium within the carrier if wished.

We will call a volume a volume, regardless of content.  It will be
interesting to see what MARCReport makes of that.  Clients don't like
it when we lie.

Mac


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