Re: [RDA-L] French-language book ... with summary in French

2013-10-11 Thread Stewart, Richard
Good points on both sides.  Much probably depends on context.  The user
looking for an item in another language than English in our public library
is likely to be more comfortable with that language than with English; in
an academic library I might expect the reverse.  For us it is probably a
good policy to provide the summary in both languages where it is
practical--it isn't always, due to the usual constraints of time.


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jack Wu j...@franciscan.edu wrote:

  I suppose to assume the user is fluent in language of the item would be
 sound if to use the item does need a good command of the language, as
 in cases of classic in the original. While if the item can also be useful
 by someone without good command of the language, the reverse would be
 true.

 A summary note, particularly when lengthy, is sort of a freely transcribed
 table of contents, on the other hand it can be no more than a brief general
 note. Table of contents is always in language of the text, on the other
 hand, a general note is always in the language of cataloging.

 So I think if a note exists, and is applicable, I would leave it alone,
 and to construct a note, I would stop where I'm competent to do, to provide
 one lengthy or brief, in either or both languages.

 Jack

 Jack Wu
 Franciscan University of Steubenville
 j...@franciscan.edu

  J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca 10/10/2013 6:55 PM 

 Kevin said:

 But that is making the assumption that the person using the catalog
 to find the item is fluent in the language of the item.


 More common in my experience is someone looking for an item in his/her
 first languge, and having difficulty with English.  That's why we add
 RVM and Bilendix subject headings to records for French and Spanish
 materials. I understood some US libraries were doing that now?


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Re: [RDA-L] French-language book ... with summary in French

2013-10-10 Thread Kevin M Randall
Mac Elrod wrote:

 In hand: a book in French, ... the summary, ... is in French
 
 If the patron can read the text, s/he can read the summary.

But that is making the assumption that the person using the catalog to find the 
item is fluent in the language of the item.  There could be any number of 
reasons people may consult a record in the catalog and need to understand the 
notes in the record, without having any need to actually read the resources 
themselves.  If the *catalog* is understood by the user to be in a given 
language, the user has every right to expect all records to be in that language.

Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
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(847) 491-2939

Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!


Re: [RDA-L] French-language book ... with summary in French

2013-10-10 Thread Lisa Hatt
On 10/10/2013 2:34 PM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edu wrote:

 Mac Elrod wrote:

 In hand: a book in French, ... the summary, ... is in French

 If the patron can read the text, s/he can read the summary.

 But that is making the assumption that the person using the catalog
 to find the item is fluent in the language of the item.  There could
 be any number of reasons people may consult a record in the catalog
 and need to understand the notes in the record, without having any
 need to actually read the resources themselves.

Not because RDA prohibits or prescribes either choice, since we are not 
doing RDA cataloging here yet, but for the few Spanish items I catalog 
(our primary non-English language), it's seemed reasonable to me to 
include a summary in Spanish (generally by transcribing from somewhere 
on the item), and then an English summary as well, whether found on an 
English translation of the title, or taking a stab at translation 
myself, though the result may be briefer and drier. (My Spanish is quite 
rusty 18 years after high school, but has so far been sufficient to 
handle Spanish YA fiction.)

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Cataloging
DeAnza College Library
408-864-8459

Re: [RDA-L] French-language book ... with summary in French

2013-10-10 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Kevin said:

But that is making the assumption that the person using the catalog
to find the item is fluent in the language of the item.


More common in my experience is someone looking for an item in his/her
first languge, and having difficulty with English.  That's why we add
RVM and Bilendix subject headings to records for French and Spanish
materials. I understood some US libraries were doing that now?


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