Re: [rdiff-backup-users] Is rdiff-backup outdated?

2013-05-14 Thread Dominic Raferd

Hello Ans,

I have been using rdiff-backup for about 4 1/2 years and have found it 
very stable and reliable. I created and maintain a Windows wrapper for 
rdiff-backup called TimeDicer http://www.timedicer.co.uk/index and of 
course use it (and therefore rdiff-backup) every day.


There are two versions of rdiff-backup in common use: 1.2.8 is the 
'stable' version (which I use), 1.3.3 is 'unstable' but is actually 
stable too by all accounts. No significant difference in functionality I 
think.


I have repositories (archives) going back 4 1/2 years and can retrieve 
versions of files that have since changed and been backed up daily going 
back to the beginning of that time. Although I have never needed to do 
that, I have on several occasions needed to recover files from the past 
(i.e. earlier than the most recent backup) and rdiff-backup has 
delivered the goods and been a life-saver (OK not quite literally).


I wrote a page about backup technologies when I was - as you now are - 
researching them, and it might help you - here: 
http://www.timedicer.co.uk/finding_a_backup_solution


Weaknesses of rdiff-backup?

1. It was not designed with security in mind - indeed the most recent
   backup is stored 'in the clear' - a related tool 'duplicity' (which
   however uses forward deltas instead of reverse deltas) addresses
   this if you need it.
2. Some reports of problems when backing up *to* a Windows file system
   destination, and there are some unconfirmed problems with storing
   Windows ACLs; however I have found it totally reliable for non-ACL
   Windows file backup to Linux machine/file system (and recovery
   therefrom).
3. It lacks a really robust and usable verification system (it does
   allow verification but I understand it does not do a 100% job, which
   is a bit of an oxymoron) - however my experience is that it backup
   repositories are reliable nevertheless. For TimeDicer I wrote a
   script
   http://www.timedicer.co.uk/programs/help/timedicer-verify.sh.php
   which can do 100% verification (by repeated runs of rdiff-backup
   with --verify-at-time).
4. Not great over unstable connections (e.g. internet) - it works but
   is not recommended (repeated failures might lead to repository
   corruption). I always run rdiff-backup to a destination on our local
   LAN (via TimeDicer) and then use rsync to backup the repositories
   offsite (via timedicer-mirror
   http://www.timedicer.co.uk/programs/help/timedicer-mirror.sh.php).
5. Although you can remove 'old history' for all files in a repository
   (e.g. all backups older than six months, say), there is no easy way
   to remove specific files or directories from a backup repository
   without removing the whole repository. Because all previous history
   is retained, if you inadvertently backup a source which contains
   data you don't want to keep (and might bloat the backup), it is no
   good just correcting the backup for next time, because rdiff-backup
   will keep the unwanted files in its 'history'. Workaround is to
   regress the whole repository back to the time before the mistake
   occurred (losing all subsequent changes) and then resume backups
   with the now-corrected source specification. I wrote a script
   http://www.timedicer.co.uk/programs/help/rdiff-backup-regress.sh.php
   which can help with this.
6. No maintainer - fixed! Thanks Ned!

In summary, rdiff-backup is not outdated and remains a fantastic and 
practical tool - and it is free and open-source.


HTH

Dominic

On 13/05/13 21:41, Ans Alghamdi wrote:

Hi,

I just find it a bit odd that this powerful tool does not have any bug 
fix (if there are any) since 2009!


So is it outdated, or its so powerful that there is no need for any 
update?


I've already posted this quastion on serverfault at:

http://serverfault.com/questions/507259/is-rdiff-backup-outdated?


(P.S. The reason behind this is that I'm looking for a backup tool. 
rdiff-backup really suits my needs but the lack of bug fixes/active 
development is what is keeping me away)





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[rdiff-backup-users] Is rdiff-backup outdated?

2013-05-13 Thread Ans Alghamdi
Hi,

I just find it a bit odd that this powerful tool does not have any bug fix (if 
there are any) since 2009! 

So is it outdated, or its so powerful that there is no need for any update?

I've already posted this quastion on serverfault at:

http://serverfault.com/questions/507259/is-rdiff-backup-outdated?


(P.S. The reason behind this is that I'm looking for a backup tool. 
rdiff-backup really suits my needs but the lack of bug fixes/active development 
is what is keeping me away)




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Re: [rdiff-backup-users] Is rdiff-backup outdated?

2013-05-13 Thread Greg Freemyer
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Ans Alghamdi ansd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I just find it a bit odd that this powerful tool does not have any bug fix
 (if there are any) since 2009!

 So is it outdated, or its so powerful that there is no need for any update?

 I've already posted this quastion on serverfault at:

 http://serverfault.com/questions/507259/is-rdiff-backup-outdated?


 (P.S. The reason behind this is that I'm looking for a backup tool.
 rdiff-backup really suits my needs but the lack of bug fixes/active
 development is what is keeping me away)

You have good timing.  rdiff-backup has been without a maintainer for
a while.  That changed a couple days ago.

http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/rdiff-backup-users/2013-05/msg8.html

fyi: I've been using it since 10 years or so ago.  It's a great tool
and I haven't really noticed a couple year gap without a maintainer.

The first task Edward (the new maintainer) seems to be chasing is
cleaning up the website.

Greg

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Re: [rdiff-backup-users] Is rdiff-backup outdated?

2013-05-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (rdiff-backup)
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 backup=nedharvey@nongnu.org [mailto:rdiff-backup-users-
 bounces+rdiff-backup=nedharvey@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Ans
 Alghamdi
 
 I just find it a bit odd that this powerful tool does not have any bug fix (if
 there are any) since 2009!
 
 So is it outdated, or its so powerful that there is no need for any update?
 
 I've already posted this quastion on serverfault at:
 
 http://serverfault.com/questions/507259/is-rdiff-backup-outdated?
 
 (P.S. The reason behind this is that I'm looking for a backup tool. 
 rdiff-backup
 really suits my needs but the lack of bug fixes/active development is what is
 keeping me away)

This is a really good question, and right now, I can't provide a simple answer. 
 For the last ~3 years, it has been unmaintained.  I just became the new 
maintainer, but I haven't done anything yet except fix broken links on the 
webpage and start reading the code.  I have at least some vague plans to revive 
maintenance with other people, but like everyone else, I'm a volunteer with 
non-infinite time, and it's yet to be seen how much contribution we'll actually 
gain here.

I can say this much:  I've spoken with lots and lots of IT people out there, 
who swear by rdiff-backup, rsnapshot, and rsync.  There certainly do exist 
bugs, as is also true for everything else.  But the anecdotal evidence is very 
high, that it's still a reliable product.

I guess I'll have to go post the same answer on that serverfault page.   ;-)

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