[RE-wrenches] Aps 130
To all wrench's installing or have installed this module, I would recommend checking the "factory jumper" in the j-box, I found several panels that had improper crimping on this jumper. In many cases the wire slid out of the lug with little or no effort at all. Carl Hansen&Sun Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] monitoring
On Jun 7, 2010, at 8:41:58 PM, "Philip Boutelle" wrote: I'd be curious to hear what anyone else has experienced with eGuage Thanks Phillip and Wrenches, I will give the eGuage a shot, thanks. Don ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure
I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two adjacent solder joints on one cell. Carl, Hansen&Sun Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure
Carl, There was a thread here about this when GE first bought out the assets of Astropower. As I recall, GE didn't take on the liabilities and provides no warranty coverage on AP120s. I would hope to hear that I'm wrong about this, as we installed some AP120s too, but I haven't seen anything on this list about warranties. Allan Sindelar Allan@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc. 3201 Calle Marie Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com On 6/8/2010 9:13 AM, Carl Hansen wrote: I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two adjacent solder joints on one cell. Carl, Hansen&Sun Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure
Carl, Here's an excerpt from a news release that went out in late-December: "Motech Industries Inc. (6244. TW) has signed an agreement to acquire GE Energy¹s (NYSE: GE) Delaware solar module assembly operation. The plant, which is located in Newark, Delaware assembles crystalline silicon based photovoltaic modules and currently employs 75 people. Financial terms were not disclosed. With the acquisition, Motech will be granted the rights to use GE Energy¹s module trademark for two years. In addition, Motech will assume the responsibility to provide warranty services to GE¹s existing module clients. Motech has been a supplier of solar cells to GE Energy for the past four years." David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer On 6/8/10 10:13 AM, "Carl Hansen" wrote: > I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it > seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? > The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two > adjacent solder joints on one cell. > > Carl, > Hansen&Sun Electric > > ___ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure
Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to the early GE product. In the U.S. we call that "business". Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Brearley Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl, Here's an excerpt from a news release that went out in late-December: "Motech Industries Inc. (6244. TW) has signed an agreement to acquire GE Energy¹s (NYSE: GE) Delaware solar module assembly operation. The plant, which is located in Newark, Delaware assembles crystalline silicon based photovoltaic modules and currently employs 75 people. Financial terms were not disclosed. With the acquisition, Motech will be granted the rights to use GE Energy¹s module trademark for two years. In addition, Motech will assume the responsibility to provide warranty services to GE¹s existing module clients. Motech has been a supplier of solar cells to GE Energy for the past four years." David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer On 6/8/10 10:13 AM, "Carl Hansen" wrote: > I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it > seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? > The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two > adjacent solder joints on one cell. > > Carl, > Hansen&Sun Electric > > ___ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure
Has anyone been chronicling the curious morphological progressions of PV module manufacturers over the years? I'd be curious to know how that has flowed, and maybe why precisely. From my current distant remove from all this action what I see is endless revolving doors or brand new doors looking for a convenient passing hole. Is that how all the bucks get recycled for a spell and then the buckeroos go on to the next best opportunity elsewhere? I think there's a fitting name for that inclination but I conveniently forget it. - Original Message - From: "Bill Brooks" To: "'RE-wrenches'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to the early GE product. In the U.S. we call that "business". Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Brearley Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl, Here's an excerpt from a news release that went out in late-December: "Motech Industries Inc. (6244. TW) has signed an agreement to acquire GE Energy¹s (NYSE: GE) Delaware solar module assembly operation. The plant, which is located in Newark, Delaware assembles crystalline silicon based photovoltaic modules and currently employs 75 people. Financial terms were not disclosed. With the acquisition, Motech will be granted the rights to use GE Energy¹s module trademark for two years. In addition, Motech will assume the responsibility to provide warranty services to GE¹s existing module clients. Motech has been a supplier of solar cells to GE Energy for the past four years." David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer On 6/8/10 10:13 AM, "Carl Hansen" wrote: I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two adjacent solder joints on one cell. Carl, Hansen&Sun Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Real world PV production
CA Wrenches, What does a PV system in a hot, smoggy or dusty area of California actually produce, in kWh/kWp/year? Not an ideal system that is washed every month, but real-world, average system figures, verified by a production meter. Thanks, -Kelly Kelly Keilwitz, P.E. Whidbey Sun & Wind Renewable Energy Systems 987 Wanamaker Rd. Coupeville, WA 98239 ke...@whidbeysunwind.com PH & FAX: 360.678.7131 NABCEP Certified PV Installer WA Electrical Administrator ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure
Fellow Wrenches, Is there any variation in the "business model" of _any_ other takeover of now defunct module manufacturers? e.g.. Siemens - Shell - SolarWorld? I was recently at one of the solar industries current profit centers, dba "training", which featured, among others, ET Solar (single and multicrystal manufacturer based in China). The subject of warranty came up and the presenter stated that their quality and power output warranty was backed up with warranty insurance such that if ET would not be around in ten days or ten/twenty years the insurance would still be available. Comments? Thanks, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Bill Brooks" To: "'RE-wrenches'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to the early GE product. In the U.S. we call that "business". Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Brearley Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl, Here's an excerpt from a news release that went out in late-December: "Motech Industries Inc. (6244. TW) has signed an agreement to acquire GE Energy¹s (NYSE: GE) Delaware solar module assembly operation. The plant, which is located in Newark, Delaware assembles crystalline silicon based photovoltaic modules and currently employs 75 people. Financial terms were not disclosed. With the acquisition, Motech will be granted the rights to use GE Energy¹s module trademark for two years. In addition, Motech will assume the responsibility to provide warranty services to GE¹s existing module clients. Motech has been a supplier of solar cells to GE Energy for the past four years." David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer On 6/8/10 10:13 AM, "Carl Hansen" wrote: > I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it > seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? > The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two > adjacent solder joints on one cell. > > Carl, > Hansen&Sun Electric > > ___ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure ERRATA
Fellow Wrenches, I'm still interested if _any_ takeover manufacturer has ever supported the previous warranty. In regards to the local ET Solar presentation, and a follow up phone call to their California location, I have misstated that there is _any_ warranty once ET goes bust. (Evidently, that piece of training was too technical for me to get it right the first time.) Apologies, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Bill Loesch" To: "RE-wrenches" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Fellow Wrenches, Is there any variation in the "business model" of _any_ other takeover of now defunct module manufacturers? e.g.. Siemens - Shell - SolarWorld? I was recently at one of the solar industries current profit centers, dba "training", which featured, among others, ET Solar (single and multicrystal manufacturer based in China). The subject of warranty came up and the presenter stated that their quality and power output warranty was backed up with warranty insurance such that if ET would not be around in ten days or ten/twenty years the insurance would still be available. Comments? Thanks, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Bill Brooks" To: "'RE-wrenches'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to the early GE product. In the U.S. we call that "business". Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Brearley Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl, Here's an excerpt from a news release that went out in late-December: "Motech Industries Inc. (6244. TW) has signed an agreement to acquire GE Energy¹s (NYSE: GE) Delaware solar module assembly operation. The plant, which is located in Newark, Delaware assembles crystalline silicon based photovoltaic modules and currently employs 75 people. Financial terms were not disclosed. With the acquisition, Motech will be granted the rights to use GE Energy¹s module trademark for two years. In addition, Motech will assume the responsibility to provide warranty services to GE¹s existing module clients. Motech has been a supplier of solar cells to GE Energy for the past four years." David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer On 6/8/10 10:13 AM, "Carl Hansen" wrote: > I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it > seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? > The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two > adjacent solder joints on one cell. > > Carl, > Hansen&Sun Electric > > ___ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure
Hello Jim, Astropower's evolution is characteristic of some of the changes that happen to PV manufacturers, but Astropower's legal problems are not typical. Some very talented people worked at Astropower. They made good solar cells and modules. The company had it heyday. See http://www.allbusiness.com/banking-finance/financial-markets-investing-securities/6113472-1.html followed by http://guntherportfolio.blogspot.com/2007/05/astropower-saga-continues-fraud-claims.html and possibly ending with http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2009/lr20938.htm For a chronology, see http://guntherportfolio.blogspot.com/2006/08/astropower-decline-of-solar.html Regarding your comment about revolving doors, it may seem that way because good ideas and good people hang in there. I think that one of the fundamental problems with PV is that is so darn attractive to both idealists and opportunists. At the wrench level, many of us techno-environmentalists were attracted to this wonderful electric generator that almost magically consumes and emits nothing. Our involvement with PV borders on obsession. The same attraction (sometimes not so idealistically) occurs at the manufacturing level where scientists, engineers, marketing & sales people, and managers are constantly stirring the pot resulting in change that often drives wrenches crazy. Arco Solar popularized the PV change game. Some of you may recall when Arco Solar announced that it was committed for 10 years to making 1 ft by 4 ft modules only to change to 13-inch wide modules the very next year. That was that start of the industry's constant model churning that has resulted in umpteen different shapes, sizes, and colors that change as often as fashion clothes. Arco management loved PV enough to invest $150 million over 10 years into Arco Solar - which benefited Siemens - which then went to Shell - which is now SolarWorld. Astropower's launch and crash took less time than Arco Solar, but was driven by the same fundamental motivation - a desire to make big bucks in technology followed by the realization that PV is not a billionaire maker. Nevertheless, there are few better ways for techno-twits to earn money while waiting patiently for "foul your nest and move west" to be replaced by sustainability. Joel Davidson - Original Message - From: "James A. Hartley" To: "RE-wrenches" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Has anyone been chronicling the curious morphological progressions of PV module manufacturers over the years? I'd be curious to know how that has flowed, and maybe why precisely. From my current distant remove from all this action what I see is endless revolving doors or brand new doors looking for a convenient passing hole. Is that how all the bucks get recycled for a spell and then the buckeroos go on to the next best opportunity elsewhere? I think there's a fitting name for that inclination but I conveniently forget it. - Original Message - From: "Bill Brooks" To: "'RE-wrenches'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to the early GE product. In the U.S. we call that "business". Bill. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Real world PV production
1433 kWh/kW/year 20 each Siemens SP75 single crystal silicon solar modules Array mounted 6 inches above comp shingle roof Array azimuth 205 degrees; tilt 18 degrees 1 each SMA SWR2100U inverter Culver City, 5 miles north of LAX and 5 miles east of Pacific Ocean Low to medium air quality but mostly better than the rest of the Los Angeles basin Average maximum summer temp. 81 degrees F. Average minimum winter temp. 46 degrees F. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind" To: "RE Wrenches listserve" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Real world PV production CA Wrenches, What does a PV system in a hot, smoggy or dusty area of California actually produce, in kWh/kWp/year? Not an ideal system that is washed every month, but real-world, average system figures, verified by a production meter. Thanks, -Kelly Kelly Keilwitz, P.E. Whidbey Sun & Wind Renewable Energy Systems 987 Wanamaker Rd. Coupeville, WA 98239 ke...@whidbeysunwind.com PH & FAX: 360.678.7131 NABCEP Certified PV Installer WA Electrical Administrator ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure ERRATA
When Shell bought Siemens, I had a helluva time getting a replacement for an "Earthsafe" kit _...@#$&*&^%GC-1_ (mailto:^...@#$&*&^GC-1) 1kW inverter. But after many months and working every angle, I finally received a replacement. But I was just about to start a small claims action (HAA!). Pat Redgate Ameco Solar PS Who warranties PhotoWatt modules? In a message dated 6/8/2010 5:36:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, solar1onl...@charter.net writes: Fellow Wrenches, I'm still interested if _any_ takeover manufacturer has ever supported the previous warranty. In regards to the local ET Solar presentation, and a follow up phone call to their California location, I have misstated that there is _any_ warranty once ET goes bust. (Evidently, that piece of training was too technical for me to get it right the first time.) Apologies, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Bill Loesch" To: "RE-wrenches" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Fellow Wrenches, Is there any variation in the "business model" of _any_ other takeover of now defunct module manufacturers? e.g.. Siemens - Shell - SolarWorld? I was recently at one of the solar industries current profit centers, dba "training", which featured, among others, ET Solar (single and multicrystal manufacturer based in China). The subject of warranty came up and the presenter stated that their quality and power output warranty was backed up with warranty insurance such that if ET would not be around in ten days or ten/twenty years the insurance would still be available. Comments? Thanks, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Bill Brooks" To: "'RE-wrenches'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to the early GE product. In the U.S. we call that "business". Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Brearley Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl, Here's an excerpt from a news release that went out in late-December: "Motech Industries Inc. (6244. TW) has signed an agreement to acquire GE Energy¹s (NYSE: GE) Delaware solar module assembly operation. The plant, which is located in Newark, Delaware assembles crystalline silicon based photovoltaic modules and currently employs 75 people. Financial terms were not disclosed. With the acquisition, Motech will be granted the rights to use GE Energy¹s module trademark for two years. In addition, Motech will assume the responsibility to provide warranty services to GE¹s existing module clients. Motech has been a supplier of solar cells to GE Energy for the past four years." David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer On 6/8/10 10:13 AM, "Carl Hansen" wrote: > I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it > seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? > The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two > adjacent solder joints on one cell. > > Carl, > Hansen&Sun Electric > > ___ > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure ERRATA
BP replaced all 12 of my underperforming Solarex MSX64s under warranty around 2002. Allan Sindelar Allan@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc. 3201 Calle Marie Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com On 6/8/2010 6:37 PM, Bill Loesch wrote: Fellow Wrenches, I'm still interested if _any_ takeover manufacturer has ever supported the previous warranty. In regards to the local ET Solar presentation, and a follow up phone call to their California location, I have misstated that there is _any_ warranty once ET goes bust. (Evidently, that piece of training was too technical for me to get it right the first time.) Apologies, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Bill Loesch" To: "RE-wrenches" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Fellow Wrenches, Is there any variation in the "business model" of _any_ other takeover of now defunct module manufacturers? e.g.. Siemens - Shell - SolarWorld? I was recently at one of the solar industries current profit centers, dba "training", which featured, among others, ET Solar (single and multicrystal manufacturer based in China). The subject of warranty came up and the presenter stated that their quality and power output warranty was backed up with warranty insurance such that if ET would not be around in ten days or ten/twenty years the insurance would still be available. Comments? Thanks, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Bill Brooks" To: "'RE-wrenches'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to the early GE product. In the U.S. we call that "business". Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Brearley Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure Carl, Here's an excerpt from a news release that went out in late-December: "Motech Industries Inc. (6244. TW) has signed an agreement to acquire GE Energy¹s (NYSE: GE) Delaware solar module assembly operation. The plant, which is located in Newark, Delaware assembles crystalline silicon based photovoltaic modules and currently employs 75 people. Financial terms were not disclosed. With the acquisition, Motech will be granted the rights to use GE Energy¹s module trademark for two years. In addition, Motech will assume the responsibility to provide warranty services to GE¹s existing module clients. Motech has been a supplier of solar cells to GE Energy for the past four years." David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer On 6/8/10 10:13 AM, "Carl Hansen" wrote: I have a warrantee issue with an Astropower 120, from what I've read it seems GE bought them out. Does anyone have contact info at hand for GE ? The panel is showing two burn marks on the backing at the point of two adjacent solder joints on one cell. Carl, Hansen&Sun Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cg
