Re: [RE-wrenches] Morningstar relay driver configuration help

2011-04-14 Thread Mick Abraham
Sorry, bad terminology on my part.

I was wishing for software that could do more than set the relay driver to
respond to programmed parameters.

If a training application could instruct the human on a wide range of end
results, relay driver action that would be appropriate for each one, and
the action of external components which would help meet those results,
etc...that's more of what I was wishing for.

Jolliness,

Mick Abraham, Proprietor
www.abrahamsolar.com

Voice: 970-731-4675


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Hugh h...@scoraigwind.co.uk wrote:

 At 10:30 -0600 13/4/11, Mick Abraham wrote:

 I wish that M-star had some wizard type Windows software that could lead
 one through the setup.


 The wizard is the only way I know of for setting it up.  I use 'MS view'
 and choose the relay driver wizard.  I see they have a new edition out last
 month so I will download and try that.
 http://www.morningstarcorp.com/en/support/item.cfm?ItemId=400
 Seems pretty self-explanatory to me but the manual is there for reference
 too.

 I did not know that there was any other way to set them up.
 --
 Hugh Piggott

 Scoraig
 http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk

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[RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric

2011-04-14 Thread jay peltz
HI All,

I saw a company, german if memory serves, that makes solar electric modules and
solar thermal panels that are the same size and shape.

I have a client that really wants them to integrate.

Anybody know which company this is or maybe there are many?

thanks,

jay

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Re: [RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric

2011-04-14 Thread Brian Mehalic
Hey Jay,
Think it might be the Schuco MPE/MP 02 model:

http://www.schueco.com/web/us/commercial/solarstrom_und_waerme/products/photovoltaic_systems/pv_modules/Schueco_MPE_modules_in_the_MP02_series

Brian

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote:

 HI All,

 I saw a company, german if memory serves, that makes solar electric modules
 and
 solar thermal panels that are the same size and shape.

 I have a client that really wants them to integrate.

 Anybody know which company this is or maybe there are many?

 thanks,

 jay

 peltz power
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[RE-wrenches] Tall L-feet

2011-04-14 Thread North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
YamahaGenerators.com EF2400iS-HC - Premium Inverter Generators -
   Wrenches
  after a brief search of roof-mount www sites I was not able to find a
taller aluminum L-foot than the standard 3 inch tall style. I recall that
Unirac makes a double wide one but about 2 inches taller would do the trick.
  Thanks as always
  Jim Duncan
  North Texas Renewable Energy
  NABCEP Certified Solar PV
  Installer No.031310-57
  TECL 27398
  nt...@1scom.net
  817.917.0527
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Tall L-feet

2011-04-14 Thread William Miller

Jim:

Direct power makes a bent tall foot.  This item is made from flat 
aluminum stock that has been bent.  I have avoided them because an extruded 
foot seems stronger than one made from bent metal.  This item may work for 
you, however.


See page 8 of this 
catalog:  http://www.dpwsolar.com/pdf/lit/SL-ML-1034-2P_DPWPwerRailCat.pdf


William Miller


At 11:24 AM 4/14/2011, you wrote:


 Wrenches
after a brief search of roof-mount www sites I was not able to find a 
taller aluminum L-foot than the standard 3 inch tall style. I recall that 
Unirac makes a double wide one but about 2 inches taller would do the trick.

Thanks as always
Jim Duncan
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[RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

2011-04-14 Thread Jonathan Hill
Can anyone tell me if batteries are covered by the federal tax credit? Thanks.
Jonathan Hill, senior system design engineerSierra Solar Systems563C Idaho Maryland RoadGrass Valley, CA 95945Celebrating our 30th year in solar!tech info and foreign orders:(530) 273-6754order line: (888) ON-SOLAR (US only)FAX:(530) 273-1760e-mail:mailto:solar...@sierrasolar.comworld wide web:http://www.sierrasolar.comCheck out our 2 minute video at:http://www.sierrasolar.com/articles.php?article_id=42

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Tall L-feet

2011-04-14 Thread Doug Wells


Jim,

Ecofasteners makes a variety of feet attachments.
At one point they made up to 6 feet.
Worth a shot if your looking for prefab.
http://www.ecofastensolar.com/


Doug Wells
The Solar Specialists
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Re: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

2011-04-14 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Qualified solar electric property is defined as:

 

(2) Qualified solar electric property expenditure 

The term qualified solar electric property expenditure means an
expenditure for property which uses solar energy to generate electricity
for use in a dwelling unit located in the United States and used as a
residence by the taxpayer. 

 

In the case of a system with PV, charge controllers, a hybrid inverter
that is grid interactive and uses a battery, the battery is integral to
and required for the system to work. In that case, yes - it's a part of
the solar energy system that is required to generate electricity for use
in the dwelling unit. The batter is no less integral to the system than
the inverter, which also qualifies. From what I understand, the tax
credit includes all hardware and labor up to the point of
interconnection. None of the house A/C wiring including the main
distribution panel and branch circuit wiring would qualify.

 

I know SEIA put out an FAQ about tax credits, but I'm not sure if it has
a definition clarification. Maybe check DSIRE.org.

 

 

Now if you are asking about batteries themselves with no solar energy, I
think the answer would be no. However, I'm not clear on whether
replacement batteries for an existing solar energy system would qualify
(or a replacement inverter for that matter).

 

Jason Szumlanski

Fafco Solar

 

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Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:44 PM
To: RE-wrenches RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

 

Can anyone tell me if batteries are covered by the federal tax credit?
Thanks.

 

Jonathan Hill, senior system design engineer

Sierra Solar Systems

563C Idaho Maryland Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945

Celebrating our 30th year in solar!

tech info and foreign orders:  (530) 273-6754 

order line: (888) ON-SOLAR (US only)   FAX:  (530) 273-1760

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Re: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

2011-04-14 Thread Dana
All my OG clients have taken the 30% fed and no issues here.

 

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Of Jonathan Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:44 PM
To: RE-wrenches RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

 

Can anyone tell me if batteries are covered by the federal
tax credit? Thanks.

 

Jonathan Hill, senior system design engineer

Sierra Solar Systems

563C Idaho Maryland Road

Grass Valley, CA 95945

Celebrating our 30th year in solar!

tech info and foreign orders:  (530) 273-6754 

order line: (888) ON-SOLAR (US only)   FAX:  (530) 273-1760

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Re: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

2011-04-14 Thread Jeff Irish
A commercial customer of ours, who is an attorney, investigated this at length 
with the IRS because he was pursuing the 30% in form of a grant.  The wording 
he got back was that if the batteries were 100% charged by solar then yes.  So 
if you can prove that the PV generates more annual energy than that needed to 
charge and keep the batteries charged, that battery charging is the priority, 
and only excess energy is sent to other loads and the grid, then maybe that's 
compliant?  At this point I think I'm supposed to say that I'm an engineer and 
not qualified to be giving tax advice.  Hope this helps some.

Jeff Irish, PE
Hudson Valley Clean Energy
and Adirondack Solar


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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:06 PM
To: 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

All my OG clients have taken the 30% fed and no issues here.

Dana Orzel
Great Solar Works, Inc
E - d...@solarwork.com
V - 970.626.5253
F - 970.626.4140
C - 970.209.4076
web - www.solarwork.com

Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988
Do not ever believe anything, but seriously trust through action.

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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:44 PM
To: RE-wrenches RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

Can anyone tell me if batteries are covered by the federal tax credit? Thanks.

Jonathan Hill, senior system design engineer
Sierra Solar Systems
563C Idaho Maryland Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945
Celebrating our 30th year in solar!
tech info and foreign orders:  (530) 273-6754
order line: (888) ON-SOLAR (US only)   FAX:  (530) 273-1760
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world wide web:  http://www.sierrasolar.com
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[RE-wrenches] Tar and Gravel Roof Moint

2011-04-14 Thread Eric Thomas
Anyone have experience mounting a tilt up array over a tar and gravel roof?
Weatherproofing, best practices for finding rafters, type of standoffs etc.
The residential roof in question has over 3 of tar (!) so im thinking 6
stanchion to tilt legs. Any ideas or lessons learned would be helpful.

Thanks,

Eric Thomas
Solar Epiphany
Seattle
NABCEP Certified PV
WA Electrical Contractor SOLAREL911NR
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Re: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

2011-04-14 Thread penobscotsolar
We have about a dozen battery based systems that the clients have taken
advantage of the 30% Fed. Tax Credit. They haven't had any response that
would indicate a problem.

Daryl DeJoy
NABCEP Certified PV installer
Penobscot Solar Design




 A commercial customer of ours, who is an attorney, investigated this at
 length with the IRS because he was pursuing the 30% in form of a grant.
 The wording he got back was that if the batteries were 100% charged by
 solar then yes.  So if you can prove that the PV generates more annual
 energy than that needed to charge and keep the batteries charged, that
 battery charging is the priority, and only excess energy is sent to other
 loads and the grid, then maybe that's compliant?  At this point I think
 I'm supposed to say that I'm an engineer and not qualified to be giving
 tax advice.  Hope this helps some.

 Jeff Irish, PE
 Hudson Valley Clean Energy
 and Adirondack Solar

 
 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
 [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dana
 Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:06 PM
 To: 'RE-wrenches'
 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

 All my OG clients have taken the 30% fed and no issues here.

 Dana Orzel
 Great Solar Works, Inc
 E - d...@solarwork.com
 V - 970.626.5253
 F - 970.626.4140
 C - 970.209.4076
 web - www.solarwork.com

 Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988
 Do not ever believe anything, but seriously trust through action.

 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
 [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan
 Hill
 Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:44 PM
 To: RE-wrenches RE-wrenches
 Subject: [RE-wrenches] tax credit on batteries

 Can anyone tell me if batteries are covered by the federal tax credit?
 Thanks.

 Jonathan Hill, senior system design engineer
 Sierra Solar Systems
 563C Idaho Maryland Road
 Grass Valley, CA 95945
 Celebrating our 30th year in solar!
 tech info and foreign orders:  (530) 273-6754
 order line: (888) ON-SOLAR (US only)   FAX:  (530) 273-1760
 e-mail:  mailto:solar...@sierrasolar.com
 world wide web:  http://www.sierrasolar.com
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[RE-wrenches] Enphase and battery charging?

2011-04-14 Thread RM You
Hi Wrenches,

Has anyone set up an Enphase inverter system to provide battery charging? E.G. 
the Enphase output fed into the AC-In on an Outback or Magnum? Have a customer 
with a 2.5kw system that wants to enable his system in the event of a prolonged 
grid outage. I understand the Enphase needs a grid signal to operate so is 
there a way to achieve that or is that like perpetual motion ;)


Best Regards,
Ron Young
earthRight Products - Solareagle.com
Alternative Energy Solutions ~ Renewable Energy Products

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Tar and Gravel Roof Mount

2011-04-14 Thread William Miller

Eric:

Yeah, hire a roofer!

Actually, 6 DPW Power posts, Oatey flashings and this 
procedure: 
http://millersolar.com/practices/Technical_Procedures/Flat_Overlay/flat_overlay.html


Works with roll and gravel roofs.

Good luck,

William Miller


At 02:08 PM 4/14/2011, you wrote:

Anyone have experience mounting a tilt up array over a tar and gravel 
roof? Weatherproofing, best practices for finding rafters, type of 
standoffs etc. The residential roof in question has over 3 of tar (!) so 
im thinking 6 stanchion to tilt legs. Any ideas or lessons learned would 
be helpful.


Thanks,

Eric Thomas
Solar Epiphany
Seattle
NABCEP Certified PV
WA Electrical Contractor SOLAREL911NR
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Re: [RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric

2011-04-14 Thread jay peltz
Hi Brian,

thanks, I couldn't find anything at this link?

j

On Apr 14, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Brian Mehalic wrote:

 Hey Jay,
 Think it might be the Schuco MPE/MP 02 model:
 
 http://www.schueco.com/web/us/commercial/solarstrom_und_waerme/products/photovoltaic_systems/pv_modules/Schueco_MPE_modules_in_the_MP02_series
 
 Brian
 
 On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote:
 HI All,
 
 I saw a company, german if memory serves, that makes solar electric modules 
 and
 solar thermal panels that are the same size and shape.
 
 I have a client that really wants them to integrate.
 
 Anybody know which company this is or maybe there are many?
 
 thanks,
 
 jay
 
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[RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric

2011-04-14 Thread Antony Tersol

Jay,

A module that was shown at Intersolar last year:

HybridModul Wiosun PV-Therm

www.wiosun.de

manufactured by Solarzentrum Allgau www.sza-pv.de

They have SRCC certification, but not sure they are actually importing yet.

If you have trouble finding contact info contact me off-list.

Regards,

Antony Tersol


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Re: [RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric

2011-04-14 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
I don't see it there either. You may have to call them

Vaporware??

Brian T



From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of jay peltz
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 4:40 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric

Hi Brian,

thanks, I couldn't find anything at this link?

j

On Apr 14, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Brian Mehalic wrote:


Hey Jay,
Think it might be the Schuco MPE/MP 02 model:

http://www.schueco.com/web/us/commercial/solarstrom_und_waerme/products/photovoltaic_systems/pv_modules/Schueco_MPE_modules_in_the_MP02_series

Brian
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, jay peltz 
j...@asis.commailto:j...@asis.com wrote:
HI All,

I saw a company, german if memory serves, that makes solar electric modules and
solar thermal panels that are the same size and shape.

I have a client that really wants them to integrate.

Anybody know which company this is or maybe there are many?

thanks,

jay

peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric

2011-04-14 Thread Mick Abraham
Try this:

www.schuco-us.com

The phone number at the Union City, CA branch is:

510 477 0500

Jolliness,

Mick Abraham, Proprietor
www.abrahamsolar.com

Voice: 970-731-4675


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Brian Teitelbaum
bteitelb...@aeesolar.comwrote:

 I don’t see it there either. You may have to call them



 Vaporware??



 Brian T







 *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:
 re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *jay peltz
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 14, 2011 4:40 PM
 *To:* RE-wrenches
 *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] solar thermal/electric



 Hi Brian,



 thanks, I couldn't find anything at this link?



 j



 On Apr 14, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Brian Mehalic wrote:



 Hey Jay,

 Think it might be the Schuco MPE/MP 02 model:




 http://www.schueco.com/web/us/commercial/solarstrom_und_waerme/products/photovoltaic_systems/pv_modules/Schueco_MPE_modules_in_the_MP02_series



 Brian

 On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote:

 HI All,

 I saw a company, german if memory serves, that makes solar electric modules
 and
 solar thermal panels that are the same size and shape.

 I have a client that really wants them to integrate.

 Anybody know which company this is or maybe there are many?

 thanks,

 jay

 peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Heavy Duty Modules?

2011-04-14 Thread Chris
Hi Todd, 

I concur with your conclusion’s as we do mount on poles some as high as 15’ to 
bottom of modules depending on average winter snow pack, here in the Sierra 
around Truckee. We do have one client with taller pole mounts but he’s out of 
the ordinary.

 

Sincerely,

Chris Worcester

Solar Wind Works
NABCEP Certified PV Installer
Phone: 530-582-4503
Fax: 530-582-4603
 http://www.solarwindworks.com/ www.solarwindworks.com
 mailto:ch...@solarwindworks.com ch...@solarwindworks.com
Proven Energy Solutions

 

From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of 
toddc...@finestplanet.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:10 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Heavy Duty Modules?

 

Hi Doug,

 

I had a customer's roof mount system break modules this spring after yet 
another record Mount Shasta snow event. This one brought 8' in 10 days.

 

The situation here was 15 Evergreen 190 watt modules (rated for 80#/sq ft), on 
a DPW power rail mount, on a 6/12 pitch, comp roof. Ice dams were not removed 
so the bottom edge of 5 module's frames were peeled off the glass... without 
the frame's support, 2 of the module's glass broke. Evergreen did not warranty 
the damage.

 

From Evergreen:

 

The observed damage is attributable to weather related effects, not 
manufacturing or workmanship issues with the panels.

You are correct, we do guarantee our panels for up to 80 pounds / sq. ft.  
However, that is for a uniform load.  The installation manual, page 3 
(attached), has the following warning:

The maximum permissible loads apply to uniformly distributed

wind or snow loading. Care should be taken to avoid mounting

panels in areas that are prone to drifting snow, icicle and/or ice dam

formation.

 

I have come to the conclusion that the only real way to mount PV modules in 
heavy snow country is on a pole mount with a steep winter angle and enough 
ground clearance (minimum 6' from the bottom edge of the array to the ground) 
to allow the snow to keep sliding off the array all winter. A roof mount might 
still work, but it would need to be greater than ~8/12 pitch (not so good for 
summer production) and accessible to manual snow removal in those critical 
situations like we had here a couple of weeks ago.

 

One of my most difficult challenges is trying to design my installations to 
mitigate winter snow damage. I realize very few list members have to deal with 
these kinds of severe conditions, but any feedback on my empirical conclusions 
would be welcome.

 

Todd

 

 

On Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:44am, Doug Wells 
dwe...@thesolarspecialists.com said:

 
 
 Wrenches,
 
 Can anyone recommend a panel that is built with more strength or
 ability to handle greater load.
 I am installing on a shallow pitched roof and am concerned about snow
 build up in this particular location.
 I know you guys out in the Sierra's get a lot more snow than we do.
 What modules are up to the challenge?
 Are there any new military spec modules like the old MSX 120's?
 Any experience or guidance is appreciated.
 
 Doug Wells
 Morrisville, VT 05661
 NABCEP Certified PV
 Vermont Solar Partner
 The Solar Specialists
 www.thesolarspecialists.com
 802-498-5856
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase and battery charging?

2011-04-14 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have done it with both Magnum 4024AE and with Outback GVFX 3524 it worked 
just 
fine, The problem I have had is when the power that is AC coupled power gets to 
high the Grid tie inverter kicks off, it has been sujested the frequency 
shifts.  If you want to do 2.5 kW then you would want about 5kW of inverter.  
Either two outbacks, or two Magnum 4024 PAE

BTW other wrenches have said this is a violation of Enphase warrentee.  
Darryl 





From: RM You solarea...@solareagle.com
To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 5:56:20 PM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Enphase and battery charging?

Hi Wrenches, 

Has anyone set up an Enphase inverter system to provide battery charging? E.G. 
the Enphase output fed into the AC-In on an Outback or Magnum? Have a customer 
with a 2.5kw system that wants to enable his system in the event of a prolonged 
grid outage. I understand the Enphase needs a grid signal to operate so is 
there 
a way to achieve that or is that like perpetual motion ;)


Best Regards,
Ron Young
earthRight Products - Solareagle.com
Alternative Energy Solutions ~ Renewable Energy Products
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