Re: [RE-wrenches] 230 50 hz kWh meters
Hi Jay, You might give the folks at Vision Meters a call; email: ka...@visionmetering.com phone: 803-628-0035 web: http://www.visionmetering.com Chris Worcester Solar Wind Works NABCEP Certified PV Installer Office 530-582-4503 Cell 530-448-9692 Fax 530-582-4603 www.solarwindworks.com ch...@solarwindworks.com -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of jay peltz Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:25 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] 230 50 hz kWh meters Hi All, Does anyone know of either dial or EZ read kWh meters that can work with 230v 50 hz, 100 amp is more than enough thanks jay peltz power ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Adding Charge Controller(s)
Hello, Looked at a system today that consisted of the following: 15 - Kyocera 158W modules 3 - Kyocera 185W modules 1 - Outback MX60 8 - New Trojan L16RE (48V system) 1 - Xantrex SW Plus 6 months ago he swapped out his old charge controller to the new MX60 and purchased the new batteries at that time. The array wiring did not change and is wired in 6 strings of 3. (confusing to the MX60?) He is now adding 4 Kyocera 240W modules. He also purchased another MX60 for this array. From my perspective, removing the 3 185W modules and getting them on their own controller would be a better use of the modules. The system currently does not have any disconnects on the PV side. There are fuses in the combiner boxes on the array, but no disconnects inside at the charge controller. So adding 3 charge controllers, and now needing to add GFDI, means a box of some kind needs to be added to house these breakers. Outbacks GFPs and panel mount breakers will work, but what is the best mounting solution for these? One DC Flexware enclosure? It will of course allow for all the DC OCPD and allow for the landing of the output of the charge controllers. Or is there another enclosure/OCPD solution I should look at? Thanks as always! Jesse ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding Charge Controller(s)
Hi Jeffe, I don't know the specs on those Kyocera, but if they are the same VOC then they are fine together. As to a enclosure for the CC's, I'd look at Midnight. They have about a million different boxes, you'll find one that will do the job for you I'm sure. Depending on the area, you might look at a midnight 150v, or 200v or 250v controller, as you can then run all in series. jay peltz power On Oct 24, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Jesse Dahl wrote: Hello, Looked at a system today that consisted of the following: 15 - Kyocera 158W modules 3 - Kyocera 185W modules 1 - Outback MX60 8 - New Trojan L16RE (48V system) 1 - Xantrex SW Plus 6 months ago he swapped out his old charge controller to the new MX60 and purchased the new batteries at that time. The array wiring did not change and is wired in 6 strings of 3. (confusing to the MX60?) He is now adding 4 Kyocera 240W modules. He also purchased another MX60 for this array. From my perspective, removing the 3 185W modules and getting them on their own controller would be a better use of the modules. The system currently does not have any disconnects on the PV side. There are fuses in the combiner boxes on the array, but no disconnects inside at the charge controller. So adding 3 charge controllers, and now needing to add GFDI, means a box of some kind needs to be added to house these breakers. Outbacks GFPs and panel mount breakers will work, but what is the best mounting solution for these? One DC Flexware enclosure? It will of course allow for all the DC OCPD and allow for the landing of the output of the charge controllers. Or is there another enclosure/OCPD solution I should look at? Thanks as always! Jesse ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Security on a ground mount?
We've got a system to go up in the student ghetto in the middle of town, so of course we got drunks and little pirates. Height has always been a solution but requires a lot beefier (pronounced expensive) support pipes. What security measures does everyone recommend of a system that is low enough to unbolt? Thanks all. image002.jpgattachment: Bill Dorsett.vcf___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Security on a ground mount?
Weld 'em in a steel frame. Even then, a battery operated cutoff tool will have the frames open in minutes. Height will really slow them down but make sure they can't back up a vehicle and pull the array down…...Yes, I have had that happen. Larry On Oct 24, 2013, at 1:37 PM, William Dorsett wmdors...@sbcglobal.net wrote: We’ve got a system to go up in the student ghetto in the middle of town, so of course we got drunks and little pirates. Height has always been a solution but requires a lot beefier (pronounced “expensive”) support pipes. What security measures does everyone recommend of a system that is low enough to unbolt? Thanks all. image002.jpg Bill Dorsett.vcf___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding Charge Controller(s)
Jay , The modules have different electrical specs... I'd like to use the midnight because the new array in series is at 148V. We see -40F. He already has the Outback 60 on site. That's why with 2 existing outback products I figure the Flexware route would work best. Thanks! Jesse Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:26 PM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote: Hi Jeffe, I don't know the specs on those Kyocera, but if they are the same VOC then they are fine together. As to a enclosure for the CC's, I'd look at Midnight. They have about a million different boxes, you'll find one that will do the job for you I'm sure. Depending on the area, you might look at a midnight 150v, or 200v or 250v controller, as you can then run all in series. jay peltz power On Oct 24, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Jesse Dahl wrote: Hello, Looked at a system today that consisted of the following: 15 - Kyocera 158W modules 3 - Kyocera 185W modules 1 - Outback MX60 8 - New Trojan L16RE (48V system) 1 - Xantrex SW Plus 6 months ago he swapped out his old charge controller to the new MX60 and purchased the new batteries at that time. The array wiring did not change and is wired in 6 strings of 3. (confusing to the MX60?) He is now adding 4 Kyocera 240W modules. He also purchased another MX60 for this array. From my perspective, removing the 3 185W modules and getting them on their own controller would be a better use of the modules. The system currently does not have any disconnects on the PV side. There are fuses in the combiner boxes on the array, but no disconnects inside at the charge controller. So adding 3 charge controllers, and now needing to add GFDI, means a box of some kind needs to be added to house these breakers. Outbacks GFPs and panel mount breakers will work, but what is the best mounting solution for these? One DC Flexware enclosure? It will of course allow for all the DC OCPD and allow for the landing of the output of the charge controllers. Or is there another enclosure/OCPD solution I should look at? Thanks as always! Jesse ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding Charge Controller(s)
http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/practices/Technical_Procedures/SW_Upg rade/_SW_Upgrade.html From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Dahl Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:14 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Adding Charge Controller(s) Hello, Looked at a system today that consisted of the following: 15 - Kyocera 158W modules 3 - Kyocera 185W modules 1 - Outback MX60 8 - New Trojan L16RE (48V system) 1 - Xantrex SW Plus 6 months ago he swapped out his old charge controller to the new MX60 and purchased the new batteries at that time. The array wiring did not change and is wired in 6 strings of 3. (confusing to the MX60?) He is now adding 4 Kyocera 240W modules. He also purchased another MX60 for this array. From my perspective, removing the 3 185W modules and getting them on their own controller would be a better use of the modules. The system currently does not have any disconnects on the PV side. There are fuses in the combiner boxes on the array, but no disconnects inside at the charge controller. So adding 3 charge controllers, and now needing to add GFDI, means a box of some kind needs to be added to house these breakers. Outbacks GFPs and panel mount breakers will work, but what is the best mounting solution for these? One DC Flexware enclosure? It will of course allow for all the DC OCPD and allow for the landing of the output of the charge controllers. Or is there another enclosure/OCPD solution I should look at? Thanks as always! Jesse _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6777 - Release Date: 10/24/13 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding Charge Controller(s)
Not sure what this is worth, but with most Kyocera modules that used the same size cells (but different amount of cells per module) you could wire many different VOC modules in series as long as the total number of CELLS per string was the same. It wouldnt matter what the individual module ratings were (as long as the total array was mounted at the same tilt and azimuth, an MPPT charge controller wouldnt know the difference. Ive done this many times with grid tie inverters, and honestly it wouldnt make a difference with a charge controller either. Different age cells/modules may make a slight difference. But what Im suggesting is to count the cells in the strings. Hope that made sense. Roy Rakobitsch NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer® NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer® NYSERDA eligible Small Wind installer Certified Advanced Tower Climbing, Safety Rescue Wind/PV Design Engineer Windsine Inc. 631-514-4166 www.windsine.org On Thu, October 24, 2013 8:51 pm, toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote: VMP not VOC todd On Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:26pm, jay peltz j...@asis.com said: Hi Jeffe, I don't know the specs on those Kyocera, but if they are the same VOC then they are fine together. As to a enclosure for the CC's, I'd look at Midnight. They have about a million different boxes, you'll find one that will do the job for you I'm sure. Depending on the area, you might look at a midnight 150v, or 200v or 250v controller, as you can then run all in series. jay peltz power On Oct 24, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Jesse Dahl wrote: Hello, Looked at a system today that consisted of the following: 15 - Kyocera 158W modules 3 - Kyocera 185W modules 1 - Outback MX60 8 - New Trojan L16RE (48V system) 1 - Xantrex SW Plus 6 months ago he swapped out his old charge controller to the new MX60 and purchased the new batteries at that time. The array wiring did not change and is wired in 6 strings of 3. (confusing to the MX60?) He is now adding 4 Kyocera 240W modules. He also purchased another MX60 for this array. From my perspective, removing the 3 185W modules and getting them on their own controller would be a better use of the modules. The system currently does not have any disconnects on the PV side. There are fuses in the combiner boxes on the array, but no disconnects inside at the charge controller. So adding 3 charge controllers, and now needing to add GFDI, means a box of some kind needs to be added to house these breakers. Outbacks GFPs and panel mount breakers will work, but what is the best mounting solution for these? One DC Flexware enclosure? It will of course allow for all the DC OCPD and allow for the landing of the output of the charge controllers. Or is there another enclosure/OCPD solution I should look at? Thanks as always! Jesse ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org Sent from Finest Planet WebMail. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
