Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2014 690.12 Rapid Shutdown
Brian, UL1741, Section 64.11 stipulates the discharge time for capacitors at less than five minutes. Though the context of this Section specifically addresses capacitors that are accessible by some aspect of inverter disassembly, it would also be appropriate to extend its applicability to DC terminals across which capacitors are connected and are otherwise accessible by an external means, such as DC conductors. Dan Lepinski On Fri, 1/31/14, Brian Mehalic br...@solarenergy.org wrote: Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2014 690.12 Rapid Shutdown To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Friday, January 31, 2014, 1:52 AM What about the capacitors on the dc side of the inverter? My assumption has been that this capacitance is the reason behind the 690.17(E) labeling requirement. Admittedly I don't understand the discharge capabilities of capacitors, but I've measured their voltage and watched it decay when disconnected from a power source (and heard stories about toss the capacitive-laden ballast to the newbie ha ha...). So the question is, say for a of a roof mounted array and a ground-level string inverter, will additional equipment (either in the inverter or external) be required to isolate the PV/dc circuit conductors from the inverter in order to meet 690.12? Brian Mehalic NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professionalâ„¢ R031508-59 IREC ISPQ Certified Affiliated Instructor/PV US-0132 PV Curriculum Developer and Instructor Solar Energy International http://www.solarenergy.org On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Bill Brooks billbroo...@yahoo.com wrote: Brian, The requirement is generic. A listed contactor can meet the requirement. A standard is only necessary for products that want to be innovative in meeting the 30V, 240VA. Killing all power is an option with existing listed equipment. NEC 90.4 does not apply. Bill. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] 72-cell modules
Allan, We just finished replacing a BP SX170 pole top array under warranty and BP provided us with the Ameresco 4190J modules. We had to install cords with the MC4 connectors on the J-boxes but other than that, they bolted right in. The dimensions are almost identical to the SX-170 and the bolt holes line up nicelyand they are a 72 cell module. FYIwe have no nearby warranty contractor so BP actually paid us to do the work.I hung a copy of the check on my office wall ;-) Roy Butler NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer NYSERDA eligible PV wind installer Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC 8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807 607-324-9747 www.four-winds-energy.com Join us at the 10th Annual Small Wind Conference A Gathering of Installers, Manufacturers, Dealers, Distributors June 17 and 18, 2014 in Stevens Point, Wisconsin www.smallwindconference.com Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On 1/30/2014 11:37 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: Wrenches, About a year ago I asked for suggestions of 72-cell modules with 125 mm cells - the standard 155-195W modules of just a few years ago. Now we really need some. We have a good customer for whom we put in an off grid system in 2006. 48V, 27 BP SX170 modules on three Wattsun trackers. Each tracker holds nne modules, wired as three 72V strings of three modules each. Yes, the notorious SX170s. Four with burn spots were replaced in 2008, 6 more in 2010, and now ten more failed or are showing discoloration. BP's warranty contractor has agreed to replace the wattage equivalent of 23 of them at $2.00/W. They will either ship us replacement modules or send a check for purchase of replacements elsewhere. The problem is that their only offerings are 60-cell modules, which won't fit the trackers. BP got out of the solar business before the standard configuration went to the larger 156 mm cells. I would have appreciated a serious corporate effort to procure warranty stock of modules that were most like the ones manufactured by BP, so that they would more readily replace their warranty failures. That apparently is not to be. The SX170s are 31.1" (790mm) by 62.8" (1593 mm). I need to locate some 72-cell modules in this standard dimension range. We'd probably buy 27 of them, once we determine that the replacements can be fit to the racks. Can anyone suggest a brand/model/supplier etc.? I have seen that Eopply shows 195W mono modules in the U.S. section of their website (thanks, Chris Daum) and I'll call them in the morning. Any other suggestions, please? Thank you, Allan -- Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder, Positive Energy, Inc. A Certified B CorporationTM 3209 Richards Lane Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell www.positiveenergysolar.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] 72-cell modules
Allan.we have gotten the epolly modules from Erika Karnitz at Backwoods Solarthey seem to have a regular supplywe use them with shurflo 9300 pump systems.they have reasonable pricing... Kirpal Khalsa Renewable Energy Systems 541-299-0402 On Friday, January 31, 2014, Roy Butler r...@four-winds-energy.com wrote: Allan, We just finished replacing a BP SX170 pole top array under warranty and BP provided us with the Ameresco 4190J modules. We had to install cords with the MC4 connectors on the J-boxes but other than that, they bolted right in. The dimensions are almost identical to the SX-170 and the bolt holes line up nicelyand they are a 72 cell module. FYIwe have no nearby warranty contractor so BP actually paid us to do the work.I hung a copy of the check on my office wall ;-) Roy Butler NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer® NYSERDA eligible PV wind installer Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC 8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807 607-324-9747 www.four-winds-energy.com Join us at the 10th Annual Small Wind Conference A Gathering of Installers, Manufacturers, Dealers, Distributors June 17 and 18, 2014 in Stevens Point, Wisconsinwww.smallwindconference.com Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On 1/30/2014 11:37 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: Wrenches, About a year ago I asked for suggestions of 72-cell modules with 125 mm cells - the standard 155-195W modules of just a few years ago. Now we really need some. We have a good customer for whom we put in an off grid system in 2006. 48V, 27 BP SX170 modules on three Wattsun trackers. Each tracker holds nne modules, wired as three 72V strings of three modules each. Yes, the notorious SX170s. Four with burn spots were replaced in 2008, 6 more in 2010, and now ten more failed or are showing discoloration. BP's warranty contractor has agreed to replace the wattage equivalent of 23 of them at $2.00/W. They will either ship us replacement modules or send a check for purchase of replacements elsewhere. The problem is that their only offerings are 60-cell modules, which won't fit the trackers. BP got out of the solar business before the standard configuration went to the larger 156 mm cells. I would have appreciated a serious corporate effort to procure warranty stock of modules that were most like the ones manufactured by BP, so that they would more readily replace their warranty failures. That apparently is not to be. The SX170s are 31.1 (790mm) by 62.8 (1593 mm). I need to locate some 72-cell modules in this standard dimension range. We'd probably buy 27 of them, once we determine that the replacements can be fit to the racks. Can anyone suggest a brand/model/supplier etc.? I have seen that Eopply shows 195W mono modules in the U.S. section of their website (thanks, Chris Daum) and I'll call them in the morning. Any other suggestions, please? Thank you, Allan -- *Allan Sindelar* *al...@positiveenergysolar.com*javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','al...@positiveenergysolar.com'); NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder, *Positive Energy, Inc.* A Certified B CorporationTM 3209 Richards Lane Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 *505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell* *www.positiveenergysolar.com* http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org'); Change email address settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Sunny Regards, Kirpal Khalsa NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional Renewable Energy Systems www.oregonsolarworks.com 541-218-0201 m 541-299-0402 o ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] -48 Volts at the Phone Company
Hi Keith, I think Exeltech MX series inverters can be acquired in a - 48 VDC configuration, if they are still available, great inverters! One is powering my office right now, since 1999. Chris Worcester Solar Wind Works NABCEP Certified PV Installer Office 530-582-4503 Cell 530-448-9692 Fax 530-582-4603 www.solarwindworks.com ch...@solarwindworks.com From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Keith Cronin Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:16 PM To: RE-Wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] -48 Volts at the Phone Company Hi folks Any inverters in the marketplace that will happily take -48 volts off the phone companies standard battery banks they use to backup their phone network for us? Client wants to drive a 15kva load and replace and existing conventional UPS system that was rated for 40kva. Thanks Keith Cronin ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] 72-cell modules
Hi Allan, That is about the dimension of the Panasonic/Sanyo if you want to up the output too! Chris Worcester Solar Wind Works NABCEP Certified PV Installer Office 530-582-4503 Cell 530-448-9692 Fax 530-582-4603 www.solarwindworks.com ch...@solarwindworks.com From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:37 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] 72-cell modules Wrenches, About a year ago I asked for suggestions of 72-cell modules with 125 mm cells - the standard 155-195W modules of just a few years ago. Now we really need some. We have a good customer for whom we put in an off grid system in 2006. 48V, 27 BP SX170 modules on three Wattsun trackers. Each tracker holds nne modules, wired as three 72V strings of three modules each. Yes, the notorious SX170s. Four with burn spots were replaced in 2008, 6 more in 2010, and now ten more failed or are showing discoloration. BP's warranty contractor has agreed to replace the wattage equivalent of 23 of them at $2.00/W. They will either ship us replacement modules or send a check for purchase of replacements elsewhere. The problem is that their only offerings are 60-cell modules, which won't fit the trackers. BP got out of the solar business before the standard configuration went to the larger 156 mm cells. I would have appreciated a serious corporate effort to procure warranty stock of modules that were most like the ones manufactured by BP, so that they would more readily replace their warranty failures. That apparently is not to be. The SX170s are 31.1 (790mm) by 62.8 (1593 mm). I need to locate some 72-cell modules in this standard dimension range. We'd probably buy 27 of them, once we determine that the replacements can be fit to the racks. Can anyone suggest a brand/model/supplier etc.? I have seen that Eopply shows 195W mono modules in the U.S. section of their website (thanks, Chris Daum) and I'll call them in the morning. Any other suggestions, please? Thank you, Allan -- Allan Sindelar mailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder, Positive Energy, Inc. A Certified B CorporationTM 3209 Richards Lane Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/ www.positiveenergysolar.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Fwd: Re: 72-cell modules
Whoops - where's the "unsend" button on my keyboard? I was wrong about 1. - they're still 72 cell. But I still know of nowhere to buy them in the US. Allan Original Message Chris, Yes, but no. Two problems: 1. Panasonic went to 60 cell and 96 cell modules and dropped the 72 cell modules. 2. According to a rep at Focused Energy, you can't buy Panasonic in the US any more. They're way more interested in the domestic market in Japan. Thanks, though. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder, Positive Energy, Inc. A Certified B CorporationTM 3209 Richards Lane Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell www.positiveenergysolar.com On 1/31/2014 9:03 AM, Chris Worcester wrote: Hi Allan, That is about the dimension of the Panasonic/Sanyo if you want to up the output too! Chris Worcester Solar Wind Works NABCEP Certified PV Installer Office 530-582-4503 Cell 530-448-9692 Fax 530-582-4603 www.solarwindworks.com ch...@solarwindworks.com From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:37 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] 72-cell modules Wrenches, About a year ago I asked for suggestions of 72-cell modules with 125 mm cells - the standard 155-195W modules of just a few years ago. Now we really need some. We have a good customer for whom we put in an off grid system in 2006. 48V, 27 BP SX170 modules on three Wattsun trackers. Each tracker holds nne modules, wired as three 72V strings of three modules each. Yes, the notorious SX170s. Four with burn spots were replaced in 2008, 6 more in 2010, and now ten more failed or are showing discoloration. BP's warranty contractor has agreed to replace the wattage equivalent of 23 of them at $2.00/W. They will either ship us replacement modules or send a check for purchase of replacements elsewhere. The problem is that their only offerings are 60-cell modules, which won't fit the trackers. BP got out of the solar business before the standard configuration went to the larger 156 mm cells. I would have appreciated a serious corporate effort to procure warranty stock of modules that were most like the ones manufactured by BP, so that they would more readily replace their warranty failures. That apparently is not to be. The SX170s are 31.1" (790mm) by 62.8" (1593 mm). I need to locate some 72-cell modules in this standard dimension range. We'd probably buy 27 of them, once we determine that the replacements can be fit to the racks. Can anyone suggest a brand/model/supplier etc.? I have seen that Eopply shows 195W mono modules in the U.S. section of their website (thanks, Chris Daum) and I'll call them in the morning. Any other suggestions, please? Thank you, Allan -- Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder, Positive Energy, Inc. A
[RE-wrenches] MC 3 cables
Dear people: I have a customer with some older Sharp modules, and he's in need of four 35' PV cables with MC3 connectors. Does anyone have a line on them? Please feel free to contact me offlist. Sincerely, Chris Daum Oasis Montana Inc. 406-777-4309 406-777-0830 fax www.oasismontana.com (e-mail - i...@oasismontana.com) ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Re: 72-cell modules
Hi Allan,
It's been a little while, but we have sourced them from SunWize.
Good Luck,
Howie
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NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™
Catamount Solar, LLC
Renewable Energy Systems Sales and Service
VT Solar Electric Hot Water Incentive Partner
http://www.CatamountSolar.com
802-272-0004
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power-One customer service
That worked. The number published in the CDD manual is NOT correct. Thanks! Jason Szumlanski On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:07 PM, August Goers aug...@luminalt.com wrote: Jason, We've been able to get a hold of tech support at 877.261.1374 which I think is the normal number they have on their website. Good luck. -August *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:53 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Power-One customer service Does anyone know how to get Power-one technical support to call you back about an Aurora microinverter activation issue? Their technical support line goes straight to voicemail. I'm not impressed at all by the activation process. Jason Szumlanski -- ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] MC 3 cables
Chris I have had great luck with PV Cableshttp://www.pv-cables.com/Custom_Cables-Create_a_Custom_600V_USE-2_Output_Cable.html. Quick service and reasonable prices. They do have MC-3 connectors and custom made cables. Bill On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Chris @ The Oasis i...@oasismontana.comwrote: Dear people: I have a customer with some older Sharp modules, and he's in need of four 35' PV cables with MC3 connectors. Does anyone have a line on them? Please feel free to contact me offlist. Sincerely, Chris Daum Oasis Montana Inc. 406-777-4309 406-777-0830 fax www.oasismontana.com (e-mail - i...@oasismontana.com) ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- William Hoffer 161 SE Fourth Ave P.O. Box 1823 White Salmon, WA 98672-1823 suneng...@gmail.com bhof...@sunergyengineeringservices.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] MC 3 cables
Chris, We still build MC3 cables here. Larry 928-342-9103 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Chris @ The Oasis i...@oasismontana.com wrote: Dear people: I have a customer with some older Sharp modules, and he's in need of four 35' PV cables with MC3 connectors. Does anyone have a line on them? Please feel free to contact me offlist. Sincerely, Chris Daum Oasis Montana Inc. 406-777-4309 406-777-0830 fax www.oasismontana.com (e-mail - i...@oasismontana.com)___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
