Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC Plus

[jay peltz]

HI Andrew,

And with a single "use" can you use it on your own computer,phone,tablet?

jay

peltz power


On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Andrew Truitt wrote:

> Wrenches - After being unable to log into my favorite NEC research tool, I 
> just found this on the Mike Holt Forum:
> 
> "NFPA has decided to stop offering NECPlus yearly subscriptions, because the 
> 2014 NEC will not be going into NECPlus. The last day of access to NECPlus 
> will be on February 28, 2014. 
> 
> There will be no subscription replacement product, however there will be an 
> enhanced eBook product for the 2014 NEC - with changes (from the 2011 NEC) 
> identified. This will be a one-time purchase product (not a subscription). 
> The 2014 NEC enhanced eBook will provide our customers with more mobility 
> (via use on tablets and smartphones) and it will include features such as 
> bookmarking, user notes, and highlighting options. 
> 
> “NEC Connect” is our new online resource and community for all things related 
> to the National Electrical Code. Learn about the latest in electrical safety, 
> wiring, guidelines, and equipment, along with upcoming electrical code 
> updates, tips and the latest social updates from the NFPA. NEC Connect is 
> your one-stop shop for residential and industrial electrical safety, whether 
> you are an installer, designer, inspector or policy maker. Join fellow 
> contractors and engineers, and sample the latest video content, articles and 
> more from industry experts."
> 
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with this eBook?
> 
> 
> RIP NECPlus.  FYI, though the NFPA never really advertised it they did 
> develop a PV-specific NEC app product called PV-NEC.  It contains inspection 
> and installation checklists (Based on NABCEP and Bill Brooks documentation), 
> lookup table tools, a project management function, and 2 versions each of the 
> 2008 and 2011 NEC - a full version and a PV-specific version.  They were 
> going to roll it out at SPI 2013 but changed their mind.  They were also 
> going to update it to 2014 but unfortunately changed their mind on that as 
> well...
> 
> 
> 
> For a brighter energy future,
> 
> 
> Andrew Truitt 
> 

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[RE-wrenches] Flourescent lamps

[Mac Lewis]

Hello wrenches,

Has anyone used a Magnum PAE 4448 with T8 bulbs.  I am putting together a
quote that has a significant flourecent lighting load.  I haven't heard
that this is an issue but I thought I'd check the list.

Thanks in advance

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[RE-wrenches] NEC Plus

[Andrew Truitt]

Wrenches - After being unable to log into my favorite NEC research tool, I
just found this on the Mike Holt Forum:

"NFPA has decided to stop offering NECPlus yearly subscriptions, because
the 2014 NEC will not be going into NECPlus. The last day of access to
NECPlus will be on February 28, 2014.

There will be no subscription replacement product, however there will be an
enhanced eBook product for the 2014 NEC - with changes (from the 2011 NEC)
identified. This will be a one-time purchase product (not a subscription).
The 2014 NEC enhanced eBook will provide our customers with more mobility
(via use on tablets and smartphones) and it will include features such as
bookmarking, user notes, and highlighting options.

*"NEC Connect"* is our new online resource and community for all things
related to the National Electrical Code. Learn about the latest in
electrical safety, wiring, guidelines, and equipment, along with upcoming
electrical code updates, tips and the latest social updates from the NFPA.
NEC Connect is your one-stop shop for residential and industrial electrical
safety, whether you are an installer, designer, inspector or policy maker.
Join fellow contractors and engineers, and sample the latest video content,
articles and more from industry experts."


Does anyone have any experience with this eBook?


RIP NECPlus.  FYI, though the NFPA never really advertised it they did
develop a PV-specific NEC app product called PV-NEC .  It
contains inspection and installation checklists (Based on NABCEP and Bill
Brooks documentation), lookup table tools, a project management function,
and 2 versions each of the 2008 and 2011 NEC - a full version and a
PV-specific version.  They were going to roll it out at SPI 2013 but
changed their mind.  They were also going to update it to 2014 but
unfortunately changed their mind on that as well...



For a brighter energy future,


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safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could
ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless!"

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Re: [RE-wrenches] "Extra Low Voltage"

[Mac Lewis]

Hi again Hugh,

Also, in Colorado, homeowners can do any and all work that they want, as
long as they can get it passed inspection.  Oftentimes, incentives
discourage this because they need to use a licensed contractor to get the
incentive.  We have done a significant amount of business from shameful
homeowners that have tried wiring stuff up that they bought off of the
internet and couldn't get technical support to do code-compliant
installation.  We always charge a lot for this type of work.

Thanks

Thanks


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Mac Lewis  wrote:

> Hi Hugh,
>
> This varies quite a bit all over the States.  In Colorado, they have a
> distinction between an electrician and a PV installer.  Electricians can do
> anything that the PV Installer can do, but not vice versa.  In order to
> pull a state permit, a pv installer just needs to be listed on the
> regulatory agencies website, which takes a simple one-page application, and
> has more to do with business credentials than technical expertise.  The PV
> installer is supposed to do only DC wiring.  The voltage does not matter
> because that can mean all the way up to 600 VDC (and beyond) for PV and
> battery systems above 48V nominal are restricted by the NEC.
>
> This seems to be the case in all of the jurisdictions that I have worked
> in.  You don't need any credentials to install the DC side of things.  The
> DC voltage is not a significant factor in who can wire what.  For the AC
> side, a master electrician license is required to pull permits that have an
> AC portion of wiring.
>
> However, often for some financial reason, such as utility incentive or to
> comply with bid requirements, a NABCEP certified person is required to
> oversee the DC side of things.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Ray Walters  wrote:
>
>>  New Mexico used to have a low voltage electrician.  It was for
>> communications guys, and was limited to under 50 v.
>> Actually pretty useless, since most systems had inverters.  Also it
>> wasn't that much harder to just get a regular electrical license.
>> Also, some considered even 24 v systems to be over 50 v, since the Voc in
>> cold weather could exceed 50v.
>> Generally, for maintenance/ battery replacement on off grid stuff, no one
>> worries about it.  If you are doing new construction, pulling permits, then
>> you need to have much more than just the license.
>> Insurance, bonding, worker's comp, etc. are also all required.
>>
>> R.Ray Walters
>> CTO, Solarray, Inc
>> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
>> Licensed Master Electrician
>> Solar Design Engineer303 505-8760
>>
>> On 3/6/2014 6:33 PM, Hugh Piggott wrote:
>>
>> Me again,
>>
>>  Maybe that was confusing.  Just to clarify this question, I will break
>> it down as follows:
>>
>>- What qualifications do you need to legally work on electrical
>>systems in your country/state?
>>- *Is the circuit voltage a factor*, and if there is a different rule
>>for ELV systems, then how is ELV defined?
>>- What other factors are applicable such as status (homeowner,
>>installer, paid/unpaid) and location (inside home, wet location, etc)?
>>
>>  Thanks for any observations.
>>
>>  Hugh
>>
>>  On 5 Mar 2014, at 08:34, Hugh Piggott wrote:
>>
>>  hi All,
>>
>>  I am trying to find some general statements that can be made about the
>> global legal position on who may or may not work on/install "extra low
>> voltage" (ELV) systems or equipment such as batteries, PV, turbines etc.
>>
>>  I understand that in the USA this is a matter for state legislation
>> rather than federal.  I'd be interested to learn what rules people follow
>> regarding such work and who can do it, for themselves or for money, in what
>> environment (inside or outside the home for example, dry or wet etc) and at
>> what voltages?  The definition of ELV seems to change depending on various
>> factors, one of which is whether it is "separated" (floating and well
>> insulated) or not.
>>
>>  Many of us work with battery systems, and not everyone is a certified
>> electrician.  I'd love to know some ground rules.
>>
>>  thanks!
>>
>>  Hugh
>>
>>
>>   Hugh Piggott
>> Scoraig Wind Electric
>> Dundonnell
>> Ross shire
>> IV23 2RE,  UK
>> +44 77 1315 7600
>> h...@scoraigwind.co.uk
>> www.scoraigwind.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] "Extra Low Voltage"

[Mac Lewis]

Hi Hugh,

This varies quite a bit all over the States.  In Colorado, they have a
distinction between an electrician and a PV installer.  Electricians can do
anything that the PV Installer can do, but not vice versa.  In order to
pull a state permit, a pv installer just needs to be listed on the
regulatory agencies website, which takes a simple one-page application, and
has more to do with business credentials than technical expertise.  The PV
installer is supposed to do only DC wiring.  The voltage does not matter
because that can mean all the way up to 600 VDC (and beyond) for PV and
battery systems above 48V nominal are restricted by the NEC.

This seems to be the case in all of the jurisdictions that I have worked
in.  You don't need any credentials to install the DC side of things.  The
DC voltage is not a significant factor in who can wire what.  For the AC
side, a master electrician license is required to pull permits that have an
AC portion of wiring.

However, often for some financial reason, such as utility incentive or to
comply with bid requirements, a NABCEP certified person is required to
oversee the DC side of things.

Hope this helps,

Cheers


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Ray Walters  wrote:

>  New Mexico used to have a low voltage electrician.  It was for
> communications guys, and was limited to under 50 v.
> Actually pretty useless, since most systems had inverters.  Also it wasn't
> that much harder to just get a regular electrical license.
> Also, some considered even 24 v systems to be over 50 v, since the Voc in
> cold weather could exceed 50v.
> Generally, for maintenance/ battery replacement on off grid stuff, no one
> worries about it.  If you are doing new construction, pulling permits, then
> you need to have much more than just the license.
> Insurance, bonding, worker's comp, etc. are also all required.
>
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer303 505-8760
>
> On 3/6/2014 6:33 PM, Hugh Piggott wrote:
>
> Me again,
>
>  Maybe that was confusing.  Just to clarify this question, I will break
> it down as follows:
>
>- What qualifications do you need to legally work on electrical
>systems in your country/state?
>- *Is the circuit voltage a factor*, and if there is a different rule
>for ELV systems, then how is ELV defined?
>- What other factors are applicable such as status (homeowner,
>installer, paid/unpaid) and location (inside home, wet location, etc)?
>
>  Thanks for any observations.
>
>  Hugh
>
>  On 5 Mar 2014, at 08:34, Hugh Piggott wrote:
>
>  hi All,
>
>  I am trying to find some general statements that can be made about the
> global legal position on who may or may not work on/install "extra low
> voltage" (ELV) systems or equipment such as batteries, PV, turbines etc.
>
>  I understand that in the USA this is a matter for state legislation
> rather than federal.  I'd be interested to learn what rules people follow
> regarding such work and who can do it, for themselves or for money, in what
> environment (inside or outside the home for example, dry or wet etc) and at
> what voltages?  The definition of ELV seems to change depending on various
> factors, one of which is whether it is "separated" (floating and well
> insulated) or not.
>
>  Many of us work with battery systems, and not everyone is a certified
> electrician.  I'd love to know some ground rules.
>
>  thanks!
>
>  Hugh
>
>
>   Hugh Piggott
> Scoraig Wind Electric
> Dundonnell
> Ross shire
> IV23 2RE,  UK
> +44 77 1315 7600
> h...@scoraigwind.co.uk
> www.scoraigwind.co.uk
>
>
>
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