Re: [RE-wrenches] Working with SBS 6.0 and LG Chem batteries

[Jerry Shafer]

I have only heard that it does not work well, l have used the BYD and its
works.
Jerry

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> We would like to hear from anyone who has had recent experiences dealing
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> ABU's etc. along with LG Chem batteries. We would like to discuss the
> functionality of this combination of inverter/battery in comparison to
> other inverter battery options out there.
> Thanks,
> Vic Guillot
> Sol Sierra, Inc.
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[RE-wrenches] Working with SBS 6.0 and LG Chem batteries

[Vic Guillot]

Hello Wrenches,
We would like to hear from anyone who has had recent experiences dealing
with installation and operation of SMA-America SBS 6.0 battery inverters,
ABU's etc. along with LG Chem batteries. We would like to discuss the
functionality of this combination of inverter/battery in comparison to
other inverter battery options out there.
Thanks,
Vic Guillot
Sol Sierra, Inc.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Mick Abraham]

Hello, Mechanix~ Matt Sherald wrote about his dryer puzzle. I suggest the
run capacitor solution discussed near the bottom of this webpage:

http://mvvikingstar.blogspot.com/2013/03/summery-and-conclusion-compatibility.html

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Jay]

Check power factor, it might be getting pretty poor during charging. 

Jay

Peltz power. 

> On Aug 15, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Matt Sherald  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint.  I'm hoping someone 
> has bumped up against this issue before.
> 
> The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.  
> Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.
> It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed)
> It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging is taking place.
> 
> All the other AC loads (including the washing machine) run properly during 
> battery charging with the gen.
> The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer worked as it should 
> with the Trace during battery charging.
> 
> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!
> 
> -- 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Jerry Shafer]

Look at the programming, view the inverter during the charge
Jerry

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 8:06 AM Matt Sherald  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint.  I'm hoping
> someone has bumped up against this issue before.
>
> The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.
> Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.
> It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed)
> It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging is taking place.
>
> All the other AC loads (including the washing machine) run properly during
> battery charging with the gen.
> The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer worked as it should
> with the Trace during battery charging.
>
> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!
>
> --
> Matt Sherald
> PIMBY Energy, LLC
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> 304-704-5943
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[William Miller]

Matt/Colleagues:



This could be a case of elevated THD on the voltage waveform during battery
charging.  We wrote a case study on this problem.  See this link
, Case
Study number 25.  I hope information contained in this study helps you
resolve this issue.



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

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*From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
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*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery
charging



Hello All,



My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint.  I'm hoping someone
has bumped up against this issue before.



The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.

Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.

It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed)

It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging is taking place.



All the other AC loads (including the washing machine) run properly during
battery charging with the gen.

The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer worked as it should
with the Trace during battery charging.



Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!


-- 

Matt Sherald

PIMBY Energy, LLC

NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®

304-704-5943

www.getpimby.blogspot.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Chris Schaefer]

My bet is these clients are on a budget given the battery voltage and small
inverters. So there probably isn't any PV at the moment. I've been coming
across a lot of these types of systems lately. Came across a Generac 120v,
6kw Eco Gen with 3,500 hours on it! Ouch and the clients just won't add PV.
Yet they pay a gen service company to come out once a month and service the
unit on top of propane cost.

Christopher

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 12:18 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> Ouch ! 2812 inverter. As a pro, you need to get them away from 12V IMHO.
>
> A home with appliances needs 24v and 4kw, both minimum.
>
> As Kent said, for now you can't do both gen charging and drying clothes.
> Why do you need a genset this time of year?
>
>
>
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> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:06:26 -0400, Matt Sherald 
> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint.  I'm hoping
> someone has bumped up against this issue before.
>
> The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.
> Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.
> It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed)
> It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging is taking place.
>
> All the other AC loads (including the washing machine) run properly during
> battery charging with the gen.
> The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer worked as it should
> with the Trace during battery charging.
>
> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!
>
> --
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Ouch ! 2812 inverter. As a pro, you need to get them away from 12V IMHO.


A home with appliances needs 24v and 4kw, both minimum.  

As Kent said,
for now you can't do both gen charging and drying clothes. Why do you need
a genset this time of year?  

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where
powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1]
e-mail
offgridso...@sti.net [2]
text 209 813 0060

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:06:26
-0400, Matt Sherald  wrote:   Hello All,   My curiosity was piqued by a
recent customer complaint. I'm hoping someone has bumped up against this
issue before.   The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.  Her
gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter. It runs properly on
the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed) It will not run when the gen
is on and battery charging is taking place.   All the other AC loads
(including the washing machine) run properly during battery charging with
the gen. The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit. The dryer worked as it
should with the Trace during battery charging.   Any thoughts are greatly
appreciated. Thanks in advance!  
-- 
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NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer(R) 304-704-5943


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Dan Fink]

I have the same problem at my place, and a couple client's systems, with
Magnum inverter/chargers and small ~2-3kw generators (not just Honda). But
the problem appliance is microwave ovens, doesn't matter which microwave
brand. They run fine straight from the generator, and fine from the
inverter with no generator running, but make a strange, loud hum, dim
internal light, and food doesn't heat if the generator is also charging the
battery bank. I'll try to figure out how to capture a waveform photo with
my scopemeter and post it.
Dan Fink
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 9:37 AM Kent Osterberg  wrote:

> Matt,
>
> I haven't looked at what the FXR does to the waveform of a 3000-watt
> Honda, but I have used an oscilloscope to look at the waveform of a small
> generator while an FX inverter is charging batteries -- it pretty much
> makes an ugly mess of the voltage waveform. Not surprised to hear that some
> loads don't like to operate when the FXR is charging batteries from a small
> generator. The FX charger has a poor power factor and little filtering of
> the current waveform, it is a tough load on a small generator. The
> generator responds with lots of harmonic voltages and high frequency noise.
>
> Kent Osterberg
> Blue Mountain Solar
>
>
> On 8/15/2020 8:06 AM, Matt Sherald wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint.  I'm hoping
> someone has bumped up against this issue before.
>
> The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.
> Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.
> It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed)
> It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging is taking place.
>
> All the other AC loads (including the washing machine) run properly during
> battery charging with the gen.
> The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer worked as it should
> with the Trace during battery charging.
>
> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!
>
> --
> Matt Sherald
> PIMBY Energy, LLC
> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
> 304-704-5943
>
> www.getpimby.blogspot.com
> www.getpimby.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Kent Osterberg]

Matt,

I haven't looked at what the FXR does to the waveform of a 3000-watt 
Honda, but I have used an oscilloscope to look at the waveform of a 
small generator while an FX inverter is charging batteries -- it pretty 
much makes an ugly mess of the voltage waveform. Not surprised to hear 
that some loads don't like to operate when the FXR is charging batteries 
from a small generator. The FX charger has a poor power factor and 
little filtering of the current waveform, it is a tough load on a small 
generator. The generator responds with lots of harmonic voltages and 
high frequency noise.


Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar


On 8/15/2020 8:06 AM, Matt Sherald wrote:

Hello All,

My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint. I'm hoping 
someone has bumped up against this issue before.


The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.
Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.
It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed)
It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging is taking place.

All the other AC loads (including the washing machine) run properly 
during battery charging with the gen.
The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer worked as it 
should with the Trace during battery charging.


Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

--
Matt Sherald
PIMBY Energy, LLC
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
304-704-5943

www.getpimby.blogspot.com 
www.getpimby.com 


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[RE-wrenches] Puzzle: Dryer does not work during FXR battery charging

[Matt Sherald]

Hello All,

My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint.  I'm hoping someone
has bumped up against this issue before.

The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.
Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.
It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is bypassed)
It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging is taking place.

All the other AC loads (including the washing machine) run properly during
battery charging with the gen.
The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer worked as it should
with the Trace during battery charging.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

-- 
Matt Sherald
PIMBY Energy, LLC
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
304-704-5943

www.getpimby.blogspot.com
www.getpimby.com
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