Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread Chris Worcester 
https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/recyclewithus these folks are seriously 
getting into recycling lithium batteries, setting up house out by the Tesla 
giga factory out east of Reno. Chris Worcester 
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 Original message From: jay  Date: 6/16/21 
 12:49 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Jeff Clearwater , Jeff 
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 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP 
battery Hi Jeff,I don’t know if you saw the photo.  No cutting involved.The top 
is removed with roughly 14 fasteners.  No tools or prying was involved in the 
removal of the top cover.jayOn Jun 16, 2021, at 12:00 AM, Jeff Clearwater 
 wrote:Hey Jay,So I don't believe ReLion 
batteries are openable - so it's most likely that when he decided to open it he 
cut into it and shorted the leads.As for recycling - first is health safety!  
I'd suggest he contact the manufacturer and get specific instructions for 
safing the mess.  Will Prowess of DIY Solar Youtube channel had some leaky 
cells and the manufacturer sent specific instructions to contain and ship back 
the unit.  You could contact him and he might know but the manufacturer might 
know better for that specific model.Hope that helps!Jeff C.Village Power 
Designfrenergy June 15, 2021 at 9:39 PMVery few details...What does it mean "he 
opened it up"  I would even know how to do that with the L-ions I've been 
around, seems like its something a manufacturer should be doing.  Temperature?  
charge rate? recent usage history? Age? Was it disconnected? Did contacts touch 
a conductor?        You can probably get water to explode if you 
abuse it just right.BillFeather River Solar Electric  Bill Battagin, Owner4291 
Nelson St.Taylorsville, CA 95983530.284.7849CA Lic 874049www.frenergy.netOn 
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PMA fellow installer sent me this just now. The battery wasn’t working, 5v. He 
opened it up and it exploded when he opened it. The lid hit the roof. 
Fortunately no one was injured. Anyone know what to do with this? IE 
recycling?And just another example of non explosive lithium batteries 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread jay 
Hi Jeff,

I don’t know if you saw the photo.  No cutting involved.
The top is removed with roughly 14 fasteners.  
No tools or prying was involved in the removal of the top cover.

jay

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 12:00 AM, Jeff Clearwater  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Jay,
> 
> So I don't believe ReLion batteries are openable - so it's most likely that 
> when he decided to open it he cut into it and shorted the leads.
> 
> As for recycling - first is health safety!  I'd suggest he contact the 
> manufacturer and get specific instructions for safing the mess.  Will Prowess 
> of DIY Solar Youtube channel had some leaky cells and the manufacturer sent 
> specific instructions to contain and ship back the unit.  You could contact 
> him and he might know but the manufacturer might know better for that 
> specific model.
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
> Jeff C.
> Village Power Design
> 
>> frenergy  June 15, 2021 at 9:39 PM
>> Very few details...What does it mean "he opened it up"  I would even know 
>> how to do that with the L-ions I've been around, seems like its something a 
>> manufacturer should be doing.  Temperature?  charge rate? recent usage 
>> history? Age? Was it disconnected? Did contacts touch a conductor?
>> 
>> You can probably get water to explode if you abuse it just right.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> Feather River Solar Electric  
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> 530.284.7849
>> CA Lic 874049
>> www.frenergy.net 
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>> Jay  June 15, 2021 at 8:14 PM
>> A fellow installer sent me this just now. 
>> The battery wasn’t working, 5v. 
>> He opened it up and it exploded when he opened it. The lid hit the roof. 
>> Fortunately no one was injured. 
>> 
>> Anyone know what to do with this? IE recycling?
>> 
>> And just another example of non explosive lithium batteries exploding
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread la...@starlightsolar.com 
Damaged Li battery safety, For information only.
Our procedure to decommission any suspect failed LFP cell is to apply small 
load (<0.05C) until all electrochemical energy is removed. This should 
preferably be done in a safe area outside. After full discharge, physically 
damage the cell terminals so it can not find it’s way back into service. 

No stored energy the battery means you just have a container with various 
elements like Aluminum, copper, lithium, graphite and so forth. See MSDS your 
battery. Unfortunately, carriers still consider this a Li battery and apply UN 
hazmat shipping rules. For now, we are storing cells until recycling is cost 
effective for us. 

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems




On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:00 PM, Jeff Clearwater  
wrote:

Hey Jay,

So I don't believe ReLion batteries are openable - so it's most likely that 
when he decided to open it he cut into it and shorted the leads.

As for recycling - first is health safety!  I'd suggest he contact the 
manufacturer and get specific instructions for safing the mess.  Will Prowess 
of DIY Solar Youtube channel had some leaky cells and the manufacturer sent 
specific instructions to contain and ship back the unit.  You could contact him 
and he might know but the manufacturer might know better for that specific 
model.

Hope that helps!

Jeff C.
Village Power Design

> frenergy  June 15, 2021 at 9:39 PM
> Very few details...What does it mean "he opened it up"  I would even know how 
> to do that with the L-ions I've been around, seems like its something a 
> manufacturer should be doing.  Temperature?  charge rate? recent usage 
> history? Age? Was it disconnected? Did contacts touch a conductor?
> 
> You can probably get water to explode if you abuse it just right.
> 
> Bill
> 
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> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
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> www.frenergy.net 
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> A fellow installer sent me this just now. 
> The battery wasn’t working, 5v. 
> He opened it up and it exploded when he opened it. The lid hit the roof. 
> Fortunately no one was injured. 
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> Anyone know what to do with this? IE recycling?
> 
> And just another example of non explosive lithium batteries exploding
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 


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On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:39:29
-0600, Jay  wrote:  For some reason the photo isn't showing upPls email
me and I will email you photosjay.pe...@gmail.com   Jay 
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2021, at 8:33 AM, Jerry Shafer  wrote:

What battery is it?
  On
Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 8:14 PM Jay  wrote: A fellow installer sent me this just
now. 
 The battery wasn't working, 5v. 
 He opened it up and it exploded
when he opened it. The lid hit the roof. 
 Fortunately no one was injured.


 Anyone know what to do with this? IE recycling?

 And just another
example of non explosive lithium batteries exploding

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 

I sill have a few blown 200A fuses from the LG RESU10 48 v test here.
They look nasty BTW. Not just open but blown open! How were the rest of the
batteries Jay? Curious how they were charged as that is usually the killer.
Too much solar or a big charger over 100 ADC?

 When we recycle, LFP still
goes to the Waste Management commercial site. Guard gates and looks like a
prison
from the highway near Kettleman City. A real in the middle of
nowhere town. I would like any info on recycling. I do not think there is
much that is reliable or responsible. It was bad before C19 and I do not
see much going on in California. EPA is useless for this in my
experience.

These folks below will only take 300+ pounds of lithium ion.
Anybody used
them?

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:14:34 -0600,
Jay  wrote:
> A fellow installer sent me this just now. 
> The battery
wasn't working, 5v. 
> He opened it up and it exploded when he opened it.
The lid hit the roof. 
> Fortunately no one was injured. 
> 
> Anyone know
what to do with this? IE recycling?
> 
> And just another example of non
explosive lithium batteries exploding
> 
> Jay
> Peltz power. 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread Jay 
For some reason the photo isn’t showing up 

Pls email me and I will email you photos 

jay.pe...@gmail.com

Jay

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Jerry Shafer  wrote:
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> 
> What battery is it?
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 8:14 PM Jay  wrote:
>> A fellow installer sent me this just now.
>> The battery wasn’t working, 5v. 
>> He opened it up and it exploded when he opened it. The lid hit the roof. 
>> Fortunately no one was injured. 
>> 
>> Anyone know what to do with this?  IE recycling?
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread Jerry Shafer 
What battery is it?


On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 8:14 PM Jay  wrote:

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> The battery wasn’t working, 5v.
> He opened it up and it exploded when he opened it. The lid hit the roof.
> Fortunately no one was injured.
>
> Anyone know what to do with this?  IE recycling?
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Re: [RE-wrenches] grundfos SQFlex question

2021-06-16 Thread Jay 
It’s too bad that Lorentz has come and gone a few times. 

I do like the architecture with the electronics all at the surface. And that 
the old ones had a easy manual speed control. 

The property has a sqflex in another well so I’ll just work on some options to 
get the flow as close as I can for
The customer. 

Thanks everyone for all the advice and info

Jay

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> Jay,
>Lorentz still has two people in texas. I can’t find an active dealer but 
> they do provide excellent tech support 24/7.  I have to buy from a dealer but 
> the ones that I have called only get one if specified on a new well they are 
> drilling. They didn’t know much about them.
> 
> John B
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 5:34 PM jay  wrote:
>> Does anyone have or know where I can get the pump curves with voltages?
>> 
>> I’m trying to limit flow by lowering the voltage, which I know works, but I 
>> can’t find the output vs voltage charts.
>> 
>> And does anyone know if Lorentz is still active in the USA?  
>> The last time i checked their controller had the ability for flow/speed 
>> adjustment.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> jay
>> 
>> peltz power
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] grundfos SQFlex question

2021-06-16 Thread John Blittersdorf 
Jay,
   Lorentz still has two people in texas. I can’t find an active dealer but
they do provide excellent tech support 24/7.  I have to buy from a dealer
but the ones that I have called only get one if specified on a new well
they are drilling. They didn’t know much about them.

John B

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 5:34 PM jay  wrote:

> Does anyone have or know where I can get the pump curves with voltages?
>
> I’m trying to limit flow by lowering the voltage, which I know works, but
> I can’t find the output vs voltage charts.
>
> And does anyone know if Lorentz is still active in the USA?
> The last time i checked their controller had the ability for flow/speed
> adjustment.
>
> Thanks
>
> jay
>
> peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] grundfos SQFlex question

2021-06-16 Thread Nick A Lucchese 
This one?



> On Jun 15, 2021, at 2:15 PM, jay  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have or know where I can get the pump curves with voltages?
> 
> I’m trying to limit flow by lowering the voltage, which I know works, but I 
> can’t find the output vs voltage charts.
> 
> And does anyone know if Lorentz is still active in the USA?  
> The last time i checked their controller had the ability for flow/speed 
> adjustment.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> jay
> 
> peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery

2021-06-16 Thread Jeff Clearwater 

Hey Jay,

So I don't believe ReLion batteries are openable - so it's most likely 
that when he decided to open it he cut into it and shorted the leads.


As for recycling - first is health safety!  I'd suggest he contact the 
manufacturer and get specific instructions for safing the mess.  Will 
Prowess of DIY Solar Youtube channel had some leaky cells and the 
manufacturer sent specific instructions to contain and ship back the 
unit.  You could contact him and he might know but the manufacturer 
might know better for that specific model.


Hope that helps!

Jeff C.
Village Power Design


frenergy 
June 15, 2021 at 9:39 PM

Very few details...What does it mean "he opened it up"  I would even 
know how to do that with the L-ions I've been around, seems like its 
something a manufacturer should be doing.  Temperature? charge rate? 
recent usage history? Age? Was it disconnected? Did contacts touch a 
conductor?


            You can probably get water to explode if you abuse it just 
right.


Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
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June 15, 2021 at 8:14 PM
A fellow installer sent me this just now.
The battery wasn’t working, 5v.
He opened it up and it exploded when he opened it. The lid hit the roof.
Fortunately no one was injured.

Anyone know what to do with this? IE recycling?

And just another example of non explosive lithium batteries exploding

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