Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor LiPO batteries

[MD Electric & Solar via RE-wrenches]

I'm sure you've looked at the Simpliphi options?
https://simpliphipower.com/product/boss-12/

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:34 PM Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches <
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> Hi Jason,
>
> Storz Power has a new wall mounted NEMA 3R enclosure that can fit 2 of
> their 5.12 kWh battery modules and can be stacked up to 80 kWh. Might be
> worth looking into.
>
> -Chris
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> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:47 PM frenergy via RE-wrenches <
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>> You can easily "clean-up" a Simplify install by using bus bars.  If you
>> spend a little time with steel wool, that copper looks pretty cool.
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>> On 4/6/2022 8:46 AM, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches wrote:
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>> Fortress 5.4 can be but the 18.5 is better but not wall mounted, simplify
>> same as the fortress 5.4, lots of cabling, does not look good
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022, 7:36 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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>>> I'm trying to find out what wall-mounted outdoor rated battery systems
>>> exist for completely off-grid systems - not grid-tied. This would be for a
>>> showcase job, so the packaging needs to be attractive and durable. I'm
>>> thinking about pairing it with a Sol-Ark 12K outdoor unit. It would need to
>>> be scalable up to 80kWh.
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Comms for mixed IQ-series and legacy Enphase circuit

[Nick Soleil via RE-wrenches]

Jason beat me by a second.   The RMA inverters will ship with an adapter cable 
that allows the IQ microinverters to plug into the old cabling system and talk 
to the legacy L-N Envoy.  Let me know if you didn't receive the adapter cable.


Cordially,

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Hello Wrenches,

We received IQ7 inverters from Enphase as RMA replacements for failed legacy 
(M175 and M190) inverters. I understand the IQ7 PLC is line to line, and the 
legacy INV PLC is line to neutral. Have any of you successfully gotten a 
circuit with a mixture of IQ7 and legacy INV to communicate?

This is a large project and shuffling old INV in order to make separate 
circuits with only IQ7 and only legacy INV will be difficult and expensive. It 
appears that Enphase is telling us we need to do that (is that correct Nick 
S.?) but I am trying to see if any of you have successfully mixed on the same 
circuit, and anything you may have had to do to make the communication work. 
There are some older threads about installing ferrite loops to reduce noise, 
but I haven't found anything specifically about mixed circuits.

Thanks,
-Nathan
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Comms for mixed IQ-series and legacy Enphase circuit

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

Are you sure the boxes don't have conversion kits inside. They send us IQ7s
with dongles to adapt to previous generations. The comms are not an issue,
however sometimes you need to request firmware updates to make things work
I've found.

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022, 6:24 PM Nathan J. Stumpff via RE-wrenches <
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> Hello Wrenches,
>
> We received IQ7 inverters from Enphase as RMA replacements for failed
> legacy (M175 and M190) inverters. I understand the IQ7 PLC is line to line,
> and the legacy INV PLC is line to neutral. Have any of you successfully
> gotten a circuit with a mixture of IQ7 and legacy INV to communicate?
>
> This is a large project and shuffling old INV in order to make separate
> circuits with only IQ7 and only legacy INV will be difficult and expensive.
> It appears that Enphase is telling us we need to do that (is that correct
> Nick S.?) but I am trying to see if any of you have successfully mixed on
> the same circuit, and anything you may have had to do to make the
> communication work. There are some older threads about installing ferrite
> loops to reduce noise, but I haven't found anything specifically about
> mixed circuits.
>
> Thanks,
> -Nathan
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[RE-wrenches] Comms for mixed IQ-series and legacy Enphase circuit

[Nathan J. Stumpff via RE-wrenches]

Hello Wrenches,

We received IQ7 inverters from Enphase as RMA replacements for failed
legacy (M175 and M190) inverters. I understand the IQ7 PLC is line to line,
and the legacy INV PLC is line to neutral. Have any of you successfully
gotten a circuit with a mixture of IQ7 and legacy INV to communicate?

This is a large project and shuffling old INV in order to make separate
circuits with only IQ7 and only legacy INV will be difficult and expensive.
It appears that Enphase is telling us we need to do that (is that correct
Nick S.?) but I am trying to see if any of you have successfully mixed on
the same circuit, and anything you may have had to do to make the
communication work. There are some older threads about installing ferrite
loops to reduce noise, but I haven't found anything specifically about
mixed circuits.

Thanks,
-Nathan
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor LiPO batteries

[Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches]

Hi Jason,

Storz Power has a new wall mounted NEMA 3R enclosure that can fit 2 of
their 5.12 kWh battery modules and can be stacked up to 80 kWh. Might be
worth looking into.

-Chris

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:47 PM frenergy via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> You can easily "clean-up" a Simplify install by using bus bars.  If you
> spend a little time with steel wool, that copper looks pretty cool.
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983 
> 
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic C-10 874049
>
> On 4/6/2022 8:46 AM, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> Fortress 5.4 can be but the 18.5 is better but not wall mounted, simplify
> same as the fortress 5.4, lots of cabling, does not look good
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022, 7:36 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to find out what wall-mounted outdoor rated battery systems
>> exist for completely off-grid systems - not grid-tied. This would be for a
>> showcase job, so the packaging needs to be attractive and durable. I'm
>> thinking about pairing it with a Sol-Ark 12K outdoor unit. It would need to
>> be scalable up to 80kWh.
>>
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>> Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor LiPO batteries

[frenergy via RE-wrenches]

You can easily "clean-up" a Simplify install by using bus bars. If you 
spend a little time with steel wool, that copper looks pretty cool.


Bill

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On 4/6/2022 8:46 AM, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches wrote:
Fortress 5.4 can be but the 18.5 is better but not wall mounted, 
simplify same as the fortress 5.4, lots of cabling, does not look good


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022, 7:36 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


I'm trying to find out what wall-mounted outdoor rated battery
systems exist for completely off-grid systems - not grid-tied.
This would be for a showcase job, so the packaging needs to be
attractive and durable. I'm thinking about pairing it with a
Sol-Ark 12K outdoor unit. It would need to be scalable up to 80kWh.

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor LiPO batteries

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

The Fortress option looks pretty good, but it's not truly wall mount.

I'm holding out hope for something that looks like a Powerwall or Enphase
Encharge battery. I would probably just go ahead and use Powerwalls if they
were actually available, and I really wish you could use Enphase for
off-grid. There are scenarios where a battery with integrated inverter is
just easier to install and looks way better. I realize that an AC Coupled
architecture is not the most efficient (cost or performance), but for some
reason the DC-coupled world has not come around to attractive wall-mounted
products that consumers like. Maybe Generac (not my first choice). Do they
do totally off-grid?




On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:46 PM Maverick Brown 
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> Fortress just released their outdoor enclosure for their eFlex battery
> which is already IP 65 rated. That enclosure also can have an additional
> enclosure for an outdoor Sol-Ark 12 K.
>
> https://www.fortresspower.com/products/durarack-indoor-outdoor-enclosure/
> 
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> https://youtu.be/pyXdQqiVBso
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> On Apr 6, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
> I'm trying to find out what wall-mounted outdoor rated battery systems
> exist for completely off-grid systems - not grid-tied. This would be for a
> showcase job, so the packaging needs to be attractive and durable. I'm
> thinking about pairing it with a Sol-Ark 12K outdoor unit. It would need to
> be scalable up to 80kWh.
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor LiPO batteries

[Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches]

Fortress just released their outdoor enclosure for their eFlex battery which is 
already IP 65 rated. That enclosure also can have an additional enclosure for 
an outdoor Sol-Ark 12 K.

https://www.fortresspower.com/products/durarack-indoor-outdoor-enclosure/

https://youtu.be/pyXdQqiVBso


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> On Apr 6, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
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> 
> I'm trying to find out what wall-mounted outdoor rated battery systems exist 
> for completely off-grid systems - not grid-tied. This would be for a showcase 
> job, so the packaging needs to be attractive and durable. I'm thinking about 
> pairing it with a Sol-Ark 12K outdoor unit. It would need to be scalable up 
> to 80kWh.
> 
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> Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor LiPO batteries

[Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches]

Fortress 5.4 can be but the 18.5 is better but not wall mounted, simplify
same as the fortress 5.4, lots of cabling, does not look good

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022, 7:36 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
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> I'm trying to find out what wall-mounted outdoor rated battery systems
> exist for completely off-grid systems - not grid-tied. This would be for a
> showcase job, so the packaging needs to be attractive and durable. I'm
> thinking about pairing it with a Sol-Ark 12K outdoor unit. It would need to
> be scalable up to 80kWh.
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[RE-wrenches] Outdoor LiPO batteries

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

I'm trying to find out what wall-mounted outdoor rated battery systems
exist for completely off-grid systems - not grid-tied. This would be for a
showcase job, so the packaging needs to be attractive and durable. I'm
thinking about pairing it with a Sol-Ark 12K outdoor unit. It would need to
be scalable up to 80kWh.

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group
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