[RE-wrenches] LiPO with Trace SW5548

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

Any suggestions for LiPO batteries that play nice with the SW5548? This
system also has an Outback CC for a pretty small PV array (rating TBD).

Based on some pics I received from the client, the current lead acid
battery appears to be around 40kWh and was slightly undersized, so I'd be
looking for LiPO around 30kWh.

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] LiPO with Trace SW5548

[Jeremy Rodriguez via RE-wrenches]

I’d look at the Simpliphi brand
We’ve had good luck, however they were smaller in size at 3.8KW
Perhaps they make a larger battery for your needs.

Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design Expert
All Solar, Inc.
1453 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240

Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.

On Jul 13, 2022, at 4:05 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Any suggestions for LiPO batteries that play nice with the SW5548? This system 
also has an Outback CC for a pretty small PV array (rating TBD).

Based on some pics I received from the client, the current lead acid battery 
appears to be around 40kWh and was slightly undersized, so I'd be looking for 
LiPO around 30kWh.

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase IQ7 versus IQ8

[Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches]

Are the IQ-7 inverters going to remain available? The additional cost of 
the IQ-8 micros killed one project where I couldn't find a good source 
for IQ-7s.



Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810
CO Master Electrician’s License 4526
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On 2022-07-12 19:03, Nick Soleil via RE-wrenches wrote:

That is correct, Jay.  You only need the rapid shutdown switch if you 
have IQ 8s and an IQ System Controller.


One of the big advantages of the IQ 8 over IQ 7 when paired with 
storage is that the 1.5 PV to storage ratio does not apply, so you can 
install larger PV systems with smaller battery systems.


Cordially,

Nick Soleil

Enphase Energy Senior Product Manager

(707) 763-4784 x7267  // office

(707) 321-2937  // cell

Powering What's Next(tm)_ | _The Enphase Energy Management System

NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer #03262011-300

California C10 Licensed Electrician #986315

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Hi Jason

And if you don't have the smart controller/battery system then you do 
not need this proprietary rapid shut down switch correct?


Jay

On Jul 12, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Yes, they require a proprietary rapid shutdown switch that connects to 
the smart controller. This would be in addition to a visible load break 
disconnect if the utility requires it. You cannot fulfill both 
requirements with one switch, and it requires a line voltage circuit be 
run from the smart controller to the rapid shutdown switch.


On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 5:15 PM Mark Frye via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Do you need the additional switch if you use the Enphase battery?

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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 11:38 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Cc: Jason Szumlanski 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Enphase IQ7 versus IQ8

I am trying to figure out why it is a good idea we use the IQ8 in 
anything other than a solar only backup scenario. If there are Enphase 
batteries involved, wouldn't the IQ7 do the same job on the roof? In a 
straight grid tied scenario, again the IQ7 would do the exact same 
thing. You would not have an upgrade path to solar only backup, of 
course.


I'm just having a hard time understanding the value proposition of the 
IQ8 in most of the situations I encounter. They cost significantly 
more, and you need an additional rapid shutdown switch when using 
batteries that can be quite a pain in some scenarios.


Am I missing something about the switching speed, energy harvest 
capability, or the way they interact with batteries that makes them 
better?


P.S. I am aware of the very small power output differences by model 
number and I am referring exclusively to 240 volt applications. I 
understand the 208 volt advantages of the IQ8.


Jason Szumlanski

Florida Solar Design Group  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] LiPO with Trace SW5548

[frenergy via RE-wrenches]

Just stack 8 SimpliPhi 3.8's for your 30 Kwhrs.

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049

On 7/13/2022 4:14 AM, Jeremy Rodriguez via RE-wrenches wrote:

I’d look at the Simpliphi brand
We’ve had good luck, however they were smaller in size at 3.8KW
Perhaps they make a larger battery for your needs.

Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design Expert
All Solar, Inc.
1453 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240

Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.

On Jul 13, 2022, at 4:05 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:



Any suggestions for LiPO batteries that play nice with the SW5548? 
This system also has an Outback CC for a pretty small PV array 
(rating TBD).


Based on some pics I received from the client, the current lead acid 
battery appears to be around 40kWh and was slightly undersized, so 
I'd be looking for LiPO around 30kWh.


Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group
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[RE-wrenches] Looking to upgrade my presentation

[Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches]

Hey all you solar computer wizards out there!

 

My forte is not & never has been sales presentation & my current sales are
reflecting my beyond simple presentation.

My proposal presentation is a basic email. E-mail Simple, to the point, time
consuming, not glossy, & again very time consuming.

I have tried to use Open Solar but the last time Google shot our area was
2016 so most of what I am quoting is not on Google. My House that was
started in 2016 still shows as sage & aspen on Google Earth.

 

I am looking for a "fill in the particulars" type of form, plug in module
size & # of modules, cost per watt with local utility , $ saved based on
estimated production, with some degree of auto calculation for electrical
production, cost, reflecting fed &state tax credits, trees saves, Co2
offset, etc...

 

Any and all suggestion are welcome.  Interested in selling the format you
have generated for a reasonable fee?

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] LiPO with Trace SW5548

[Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches]

Fortress Evault max, good form factor, simple
Jerry

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 3:05 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
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> Any suggestions for LiPO batteries that play nice with the SW5548? This
> system also has an Outback CC for a pretty small PV array (rating TBD).
>
> Based on some pics I received from the client, the current lead acid
> battery appears to be around 40kWh and was slightly undersized, so I'd be
> looking for LiPO around 30kWh.
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking to upgrade my presentation

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

It's not the most elegant solution, but if you have another source of
imagery you can import it into Open Solar. Once you have the imagery in
there and scaled, it works quite well.

Jason Szumlanski

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 10:54 AM Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hey all you solar computer wizards out there!
>
>
>
> My forte is not & never has been sales presentation & my current sales are
> reflecting my beyond simple presentation.
>
> My proposal presentation is a basic email. E-mail Simple, to the point,
> time consuming, not glossy, & again very time consuming.
>
> I have tried to use Open Solar but the last time Google shot our area was
> 2016 so most of what I am quoting is not on Google. My House that was
> started in 2016 still shows as sage & aspen on Google Earth.
>
>
>
> I am looking for a “fill in the particulars” type of form, plug in module
> size & # of modules, cost per watt with local utility , $ saved based on
> estimated production, with some degree of auto calculation for electrical
> production, cost, reflecting fed &state tax credits, trees saves, Co2
> offset, etc.….
>
>
>
> Any and all suggestion are welcome.  Interested in selling the format you
> have generated for a reasonable fee?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>
> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
> *
>
> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
>
> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.greatsolarworks.com
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>
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>
> *P* Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] LiPO with Trace SW5548

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

Ok, Fortress and Simplifi for the two that I was considering. As long as
there are no issues with lack of closed loop communication, it sounds like
those are the way to go.

Jason Szumlanski

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> Fortress Evault max, good form factor, simple
> Jerry
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 3:05 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions for LiPO batteries that play nice with the SW5548? This
>> system also has an Outback CC for a pretty small PV array (rating TBD).
>>
>> Based on some pics I received from the client, the current lead acid
>> battery appears to be around 40kWh and was slightly undersized, so I'd be
>> looking for LiPO around 30kWh.
>>
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>> Florida Solar Design Group
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[RE-wrenches] Growatt systems

[Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches]

Does anyone have experience with Growatt systems? What do you think of 
them?


Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
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Re: [RE-wrenches] LiPO with Trace SW5548

[Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches]

I would consider a 15 cell (3.2 volts per cell) Lithium Iron Phosphate
battery such as FNS (UL Listed 15 cell).  This puts the LBCO at about
47.6-48.0V or so.  A 15 series cell battery puts the voltage in line with
the LBCO of the Trace inverter without an auxiliary contactor triggered by
the charge controller or another device.  EIther way works, but then you
don't have to worry about tripping out the low battery at the BMS
instead of the inverter.  I will say that the Fortress is a nice quick
install if you don't have to lift it but the 48V LBCO limit will need to be
dealt with in a 16 cell battery.

Let us know what you decide.

Cheers

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 10:05 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
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> Ok, Fortress and Simplifi for the two that I was considering. As long as
> there are no issues with lack of closed loop communication, it sounds like
> those are the way to go.
>
> Jason Szumlanski
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 11:37 AM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Fortress Evault max, good form factor, simple
>> Jerry
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 3:05 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions for LiPO batteries that play nice with the SW5548? This
>>> system also has an Outback CC for a pretty small PV array (rating TBD).
>>>
>>> Based on some pics I received from the client, the current lead acid
>>> battery appears to be around 40kWh and was slightly undersized, so I'd be
>>> looking for LiPO around 30kWh.
>>>
>>> Jason Szumlanski
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