Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter bypass

[Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches]

You can also build them with the interlock kits for (almost) whatever load
center you like.  https://interlockkit.com/shop/
Some of these are UL listed, some are not.

The disadvantage of this route is that they are typically made for a high
ampacity main circuit breaker, probably overkill for most applications like
this.

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 9:37 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Wrenches
> It might be easier to use the wire cabinet for the radian, but hey thats
> just me
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023, 9:47 AM Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a stand alone system that was upgraded from an FX inverter to a
>> Radian WITHOUT  the companion load center.  I would like to add an inverter
>> bypass circuit to operate the house on generator power.  There used to be a
>> 4 slot breaker panel (SqD?) with the rocker switch preventing both breakers
>> from being in the on position simultaneously.  I have not been able to find
>> it on the interweb.  Anyone know of something out there that would meet my
>> needs?
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>> Shine On!
>>
>> Kris Schmid
>> Legacy Solar, LLC
>> 137 West 1st Avenue
>> Luck, WI 54853
>> www.legacysolar.com
>> 715-653-4295
>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>> Licensed Wisconsin Master Electrician
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter bypass

[Wallace Stahle via RE-wrenches]

I have found this Electricenter accessory part # ECSBPK01. to be very useful 
with locally available load centers.  labelled for Siemens and Murray.  Fits 
well on Eaton tho not listed for that brand.

Available locally for $32 or so lately.
Does the same thing the Generac sub panel does for the price of the interlock 
only.

For an image try:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Siemens-Standby-Power-Interlock-Kit-ECSBPK01/203197660#overlay

> On Mar 2, 2023, at 9:46 AM, Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a stand alone system that was upgraded from an FX inverter to a Radian 
> WITHOUT  the companion load center.  I would like to add an inverter bypass 
> circuit to operate the house on generator power.  There used to be a 4 slot 
> breaker panel (SqD?) with the rocker switch preventing both breakers from 
> being in the on position simultaneously.  I have not been able to find it on 
> the interweb.  Anyone know of something out there that would meet my needs?
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
> Shine On!
> 
> Kris Schmid
> Legacy Solar, LLC
> 137 West 1st Avenue
> Luck, WI 54853
> www.legacysolar.com 
> 715-653-4295
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> Licensed Wisconsin Master Electrician
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[RE-wrenches] California NEM3 specific question

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

To my Friends on the Wrenches forum:



This is a question that likely can only be answered by a California based
grid-tied contractor.  The subject itself may be of more general interest
as it is demonstrative of a trend that has dogged the industry and may be
more prevalent in the future.  The subject has many layers to discuss, but
I have a very specific question:



The new NEM3.0 legislation applies to current and future grid-tied
customers connected to Investor Owned Utilities (IOU) in California.  It
specifies in part that when NEM3 takes effect on 4/14/23, all customers
that are currently categorized as NEM1 and NEM2 keep their existing status
for 20 years from date of system commission.  After that 20 years these
customers will be demoted to NEM3.  The reality of NEM3 is that it sucks
for customers.



My home system was commissioned in October of 2003.  That means that in
eight months I will be forced into significantly worse terms for trading
kWh with PG&E. It’s not just me-- we installed a lot of grid-tied systems
in the early 2000s and I want to do what I can to protect my clients.  I
worry for all people that supported solar when it was much more expensive.
This is really a sad result for early adopters.



BTW, everyone is talking about the poor people that have yet to install
solar but don’t want to get the future bad deal.  The hidden story is this
sunset provision.  As I said above, this part seems pretty unfair.



I called PG&E today and was told that there is no way to extend NEM1 or 2
status, short of removing all solar, having the roof inspected, and
re-installing.



So do any of you California wrenches know what options there are to keep
NEM1 and NEM2 accounts off of NEM3?  Any advice is appreciated.



If you agree that this is a problem, spread the word and give your
customers a heads up.



William



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985
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Re: [RE-wrenches] California NEM3 specific question

[August Goers via RE-wrenches]

I'm not aware of any other option than completely removing and
decommissioning the old PV system and installing a new system to lock in
NEM2 for a new 20 year term. We are experiencing unprecedented demand for
PV right now as people sign up to lock in under NEM2. There are a lot of
nuances to getting our clients locked in so we've been working closely with
CALSSA and PG&E to make sure we're following the rules the best we can.
That said, the category of clients with old systems are some of the
trickiest to deal with. It doesn't seem like PG&E's internal process is
very well baked at this point. PG&E is holding some NEM2 webinars next
week, so we continue to learn more.

As far as NBT (Net Billing Tariff, formerly called NEM3) goes - there is no
question it is a major step down for new PV-only projects. Projects with PV
paired batteries may fare a bit better since they can be programmed to
discharge and earn credits at higher rates. We are having a really hard
time getting ESS permits in many Bay Area jurisdictions due to challenging
fire code and fire code interpretation. That is really slowing us down.
Anyway, there are a lot of challenges ahead but at the same time lots of
opportunities! I for one have PV and a battery at my house and I love it,
although I am benefitting from NEM2.

Best, August
Luminalt


On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:49 AM William Miller via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> To my Friends on the Wrenches forum:
>
>
>
> This is a question that likely can only be answered by a California based
> grid-tied contractor.  The subject itself may be of more general interest
> as it is demonstrative of a trend that has dogged the industry and may be
> more prevalent in the future.  The subject has many layers to discuss, but
> I have a very specific question:
>
>
>
> The new NEM3.0 legislation applies to current and future grid-tied
> customers connected to Investor Owned Utilities (IOU) in California.  It
> specifies in part that when NEM3 takes effect on 4/14/23, all customers
> that are currently categorized as NEM1 and NEM2 keep their existing status
> for 20 years from date of system commission.  After that 20 years these
> customers will be demoted to NEM3.  The reality of NEM3 is that it sucks
> for customers.
>
>
>
> My home system was commissioned in October of 2003.  That means that in
> eight months I will be forced into significantly worse terms for trading
> kWh with PG&E. It’s not just me-- we installed a lot of grid-tied systems
> in the early 2000s and I want to do what I can to protect my clients.  I
> worry for all people that supported solar when it was much more expensive.
> This is really a sad result for early adopters.
>
>
>
> BTW, everyone is talking about the poor people that have yet to install
> solar but don’t want to get the future bad deal.  The hidden story is this
> sunset provision.  As I said above, this part seems pretty unfair.
>
>
>
> I called PG&E today and was told that there is no way to extend NEM1 or 2
> status, short of removing all solar, having the roof inspected, and
> re-installing.
>
>
>
> So do any of you California wrenches know what options there are to keep
> NEM1 and NEM2 accounts off of NEM3?  Any advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> If you agree that this is a problem, spread the word and give your
> customers a heads up.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] California NEM3 specific question

[Todd Cory via RE-wrenches]

My 2005 yearly billing, net metering agreement with Pacific Power says nothing 
about it being only valid for 20 years.
 
Todd

 


On Friday, March 3, 2023 8:46am, "William Miller via RE-wrenches" 
 said:




To my Friends on the Wrenches forum:
 
This is a question that likely can only be answered by a California based 
grid-tied contractor.  The subject itself may be of more general interest as it 
is demonstrative of a trend that has dogged the industry and may be more 
prevalent in the future.  The subject has many layers to discuss, but I have a 
very specific question:
 
The new NEM3.0 legislation applies to current and future grid-tied customers 
connected to Investor Owned Utilities (IOU) in California.  It specifies in 
part that when NEM3 takes effect on 4/14/23, all customers that are currently 
categorized as NEM1 and NEM2 keep their existing status for 20 years from date 
of system commission.  After that 20 years these customers will be demoted to 
NEM3.  The reality of NEM3 is that it sucks for customers.
 
My home system was commissioned in October of 2003.  That means that in eight 
months I will be forced into significantly worse terms for trading kWh with 
PG&E. It’s not just me-- we installed a lot of grid-tied systems in the early 
2000s and I want to do what I can to protect my clients.  I worry for all 
people that supported solar when it was much more expensive.  This is really a 
sad result for early adopters.   
 
BTW, everyone is talking about the poor people that have yet to install solar 
but don’t want to get the future bad deal.  The hidden story is this sunset 
provision.  As I said above, this part seems pretty unfair.
 
I called PG&E today and was told that there is no way to extend NEM1 or 2 
status, short of removing all solar, having the roof inspected, and 
re-installing.
 
So do any of you California wrenches know what options there are to keep NEM1 
and NEM2 accounts off of NEM3?  Any advice is appreciated. 
 
If you agree that this is a problem, spread the word and give your customers a 
heads up.
 
William
 
Miller Solar
17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
805-438-5600
[ www.millersolar.com ]( http://www.millersolar.com/ )
CA Lic. 773985
 
 


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Re: [RE-wrenches] California NEM3 specific question

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Pacific power is not an investor owned utility.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 3:44 PM Todd Cory via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> My 2005 yearly billing, net metering agreement with Pacific Power says
> nothing about it being only valid for 20 years.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 8:46am, "William Miller via RE-wrenches" <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> said:
>
> To my Friends on the Wrenches forum:
>
>
>
> This is a question that likely can only be answered by a California based
> grid-tied contractor.  The subject itself may be of more general interest
> as it is demonstrative of a trend that has dogged the industry and may be
> more prevalent in the future.  The subject has many layers to discuss, but
> I have a very specific question:
>
>
>
> The new NEM3.0 legislation applies to current and future grid-tied
> customers connected to Investor Owned Utilities (IOU) in California.  It
> specifies in part that when NEM3 takes effect on 4/14/23, all customers
> that are currently categorized as NEM1 and NEM2 keep their existing status
> for 20 years from date of system commission.  After that 20 years these
> customers will be demoted to NEM3.  The reality of NEM3 is that it sucks
> for customers.
>
>
>
> My home system was commissioned in October of 2003.  That means that in
> eight months I will be forced into significantly worse terms for trading
> kWh with PG&E. It’s not just me-- we installed a lot of grid-tied systems
> in the early 2000s and I want to do what I can to protect my clients.  I
> worry for all people that supported solar when it was much more expensive.
> This is really a sad result for early adopters.
>
>
>
> BTW, everyone is talking about the poor people that have yet to install
> solar but don’t want to get the future bad deal.  The hidden story is this
> sunset provision.  As I said above, this part seems pretty unfair.
>
>
>
> I called PG&E today and was told that there is no way to extend NEM1 or 2
> status, short of removing all solar, having the roof inspected, and
> re-installing.
>
>
>
> So do any of you California wrenches know what options there are to keep
> NEM1 and NEM2 accounts off of NEM3?  Any advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> If you agree that this is a problem, spread the word and give your
> customers a heads up.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] California NEM3 specific question

[August Goers via RE-wrenches]

The NEM2 / NBT transition is only mandated for the three investor-owned
utilities in California. Other privately or municipally owned utilities
play by their own rules - I believe there are several such as Palo Alto,
SMUD, Alameda Municipal Power, LADWP, etc that aren't necessarily changing
their rules at this time or may have already changed their rules over time.

August


On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 3:44 PM Todd Cory via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> My 2005 yearly billing, net metering agreement with Pacific Power says
> nothing about it being only valid for 20 years.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 8:46am, "William Miller via RE-wrenches" <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> said:
>
> To my Friends on the Wrenches forum:
>
>
>
> This is a question that likely can only be answered by a California based
> grid-tied contractor.  The subject itself may be of more general interest
> as it is demonstrative of a trend that has dogged the industry and may be
> more prevalent in the future.  The subject has many layers to discuss, but
> I have a very specific question:
>
>
>
> The new NEM3.0 legislation applies to current and future grid-tied
> customers connected to Investor Owned Utilities (IOU) in California.  It
> specifies in part that when NEM3 takes effect on 4/14/23, all customers
> that are currently categorized as NEM1 and NEM2 keep their existing status
> for 20 years from date of system commission.  After that 20 years these
> customers will be demoted to NEM3.  The reality of NEM3 is that it sucks
> for customers.
>
>
>
> My home system was commissioned in October of 2003.  That means that in
> eight months I will be forced into significantly worse terms for trading
> kWh with PG&E. It’s not just me-- we installed a lot of grid-tied systems
> in the early 2000s and I want to do what I can to protect my clients.  I
> worry for all people that supported solar when it was much more expensive.
> This is really a sad result for early adopters.
>
>
>
> BTW, everyone is talking about the poor people that have yet to install
> solar but don’t want to get the future bad deal.  The hidden story is this
> sunset provision.  As I said above, this part seems pretty unfair.
>
>
>
> I called PG&E today and was told that there is no way to extend NEM1 or 2
> status, short of removing all solar, having the roof inspected, and
> re-installing.
>
>
>
> So do any of you California wrenches know what options there are to keep
> NEM1 and NEM2 accounts off of NEM3?  Any advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> If you agree that this is a problem, spread the word and give your
> customers a heads up.
>
>
>
> William
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
>
>
>
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