Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback Board Repair

[Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches]

Regarding AEE and off grid support, I'm not really in touch with them much
any more so I can't say. You could ask Glenn Hall, he'd be able to say if
he's heard anything about hiring a new tech.  Of course finding someone
with much off grid experience would be hard. Glenn and Alex do have some
experience and may be able to help out.

Brad

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 12:15 PM Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches <
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> Zonna is a dependable resource. I often find they have more repair boards
> and parts in their inventory than Outback does themselves. Whether the
> older legacy boards or newer VFXR series, Zonna has them. I think of them
> as the off grid distributor solution provider that AEE used to be known for.
>
> Bradley B., has AEE made any effort to hire anyone that can attempt to
> offer the type of support and knowledge you were known for? Perhaps this is
> the reason they are phasing out Outback?
>
> Wallace, am I understanding correctly that they now offer repair services
> or refurbished board sets? I’ve only purchased new from them in the past
> and last time it seemed Kris Stone was perhaps too overburdened for an
> expedient repair solution. Judging by the amount of failures myself or
> other off grid focused Outback dealers out there I imagine Kris would be
> tied up for years! Not trying to throw any negativity towards Outback as I
> know many are trying to deal with growing pains and providing sufficient
> support but it can certainly be painful at times. Really looking forward to
> going all in on Midnite’s newest offerings once they get the comms box out.
> Really loving the Barcelona and Rosie so far.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2024, at 11:23 AM, Wallace Stahle via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> Zonna Energy is one option.  Thats zone-ah
>
> I sent them a faulty radian stack after they sent me a repaired one.
>
> 330-674-1750.   Ask for Amos or  Ext. 2.   zonnaenergy.com
>
> On Feb 21, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Matt Sherald via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm looking to move along some damaged Outback (GVFX and VFX) boards.
>
> I found an older thread referencing Kris Stone, but didn't have luck with
> the email.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks!
>
> --
> Matt Sherald
> PIMBY Energy, LLC
> 304-704-5943
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Rugged Wind/Solar System For Radio

[Ray Walters via RE-wrenches]

Who carries the Superwind turbines?  We've been looking for a 
replacement for the old Bergey XL1 to offer clients.


Thanks,

Ray Walters
Remote Solar

On 2/21/2024 7:20 PM, John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches wrote:
As far as wind is concerned, I recommend SuperWind, made in Germany.  
It is well built and designed to handle high winds.  It is rated at 
1000 watts and I have seen data showing over 1kwhr for an hour 
increment.  Typically it is outputting 100 to 300 watts. My customer 
found it on line and asked what I thought about it.  I had not heard 
of it before but the specs sounded good.  I already had upgraded their 
system from a disaster (they actually burned up the power room )  I 
installed an Outback VFX3648 on an epanel and installed 6 panels on 
the remnants of their original building and then added 4 DPW racks of 
3 panels each so they could tilt for winter snow.  16 L16 wet cells. 
They do maintenance frequently enough to keep an eye on water level. 
It worked pretty well, but they still had too much generator time in 
the winter when it was hard to get propane up the mountain.  I then 
installed their Superwind on a 35" tilt up tower next to their 50' 
comm tower.  Since the mountaintop has good winds during the winter, 
it has saved them 75% of their generator time and consequently they 
have not had to refuel in the winter at all.  We monitor it with 
opticsRE and also with some of their transmitter data.  Their load is 
about 300 watts 24/7 with it dropping off a little late at night.

It is a repeater site for business band radios, police, emergency etc.
John Blittersdorf
CV Wind Service.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 2:02 PM Mark Frye via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Gentlefolk,

I have a 35 watt radio transmitter that I need to station in the
desert for a critical application.

Any recommendations for a turnkey provider of a combined
solar/wind/battery system?

Should I build it myself?

Thanks,

Mark Frye
Berkeley Solar Electric Systems
530 401 8024
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Tigo RSS Off Grid

[Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches]

Sorry Howie, I now see you were specifically asking about inverter/charge 
controller combo solutions. I should have caught that detail. Still seems as an 
easy workaround though if for some reason the inverter manufacturer failed to 
isolate the 12v output independent of the AC output LBCO. Perhaps just a bit 
more of a hassle to find a good spot to mount an OCPD for the converter. 
Typically I just use a 1 amp panel mount breaker inside the GSLC but obviously 
that would be nonexistent with a Solark or Envy.

It’s already been a couple years since my first and only Solark with RSD and 
did utilize the 12v output for the transmitter but don’t recall how they 
determine when to terminate the 12v source. Hopefully someone more fond of the 
all in one inverters can fill us in!

Nick




> On Feb 21, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 48v to 12v DC converter approach should be immune from the inverters LBCO 
> since it lives on the battery side of the inverter/bus. I’ve done a few 
> systems using Tigo’s without issue. The main concern is you now have a DC 
> load attached to the battery output lacking DC load protection that could 
> potentially consume the little bit of battery capacity you had reserved below 
> the programmed inverter LBCO. This possibly could require a black start 
> effort by a homeowner or technician if there were severe clouds for an 
> extended period. It’s not been a problem for me yet, I typically leave my 
> LBCO for most of my Blue Ion sites at 48.4vdc.
> 
> I wasn’t aware of the Mean-well converters and had been forced to source them 
> from Bezos unfortunately.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2024, at 5:43 AM, Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> With the Sol-Ark (or other DC coupled inverter/charge controller 
>> combinations such as the Envy), will the system pass through solar power if 
>> the inverter has turned off on LBCO? If not, then these alternative methods 
>> for powering the RSD signal generators won't make a difference, correct?
>> And does anyone know about the built in signal generator in the Envy (or 
>> others?) continue to work if the inverter has shut down on LBCO? If not, 
>> wouldn't using the built in signal generators cause a significant headache 
>> in those circumstances?
>> Howie Michaelson
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 12:42 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches 
>> > > wrote:
>> What I recommended while at AEE was to use a 48VDC to 12VDC converter to 
>> power the Tigo and APS transmitters. This works well. Here's the one I 
>> recommended if it's still available:  mean-well/ddr30l12 
>> I 
>> never had any negative feedback using this with a Sol-Ark and APS devices. 
>> 
>> We have two recent installations employing a similar solution.  If it's 
>> helpful I've attached a couple photos showing the converter and transmitter 
>> that pair nicely with the suggested one-lines shared by Bradley.  This is 
>> from a Sol-Ark/Fortress eVault installation with AP Smart RSD.  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sam
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Rugged Wind/Solar System For Radio

[John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches]

As far as wind is concerned, I recommend SuperWind, made in Germany.  It is
well built and designed to handle high winds.  It is rated at 1000 watts
and I have seen data showing over 1kwhr for an hour increment.  Typically
it is outputting 100 to 300 watts. My customer found it on line and asked
what I thought about it.  I had not heard of it before but the specs
sounded good.  I already had upgraded their system from a disaster (they
actually burned up the power room )  I installed an Outback VFX3648 on an
epanel and installed 6 panels on the remnants of their original building
and then added 4 DPW racks of 3 panels each so they could tilt for winter
snow.  16 L16 wet cells. They do maintenance frequently enough to keep an
eye on water level. It worked pretty well, but they still had too much
generator time in the winter when it was hard to get propane up the
mountain.  I then installed their Superwind on a 35" tilt up tower next to
their 50' comm tower.  Since the mountaintop has good winds during the
winter, it has saved them 75% of their generator time and consequently they
have not had to refuel in the winter at all.  We monitor it with opticsRE
and also with some of their transmitter data.  Their load is about 300
watts 24/7 with it dropping off a little late at night.
It is a repeater site for business band radios, police, emergency etc.
John Blittersdorf
CV Wind Service.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 2:02 PM Mark Frye via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Gentlefolk,
>
> I have a 35 watt radio transmitter that I need to station in the desert
> for a critical application.
>
> Any recommendations for a turnkey provider of a combined
> solar/wind/battery system?
>
> Should I build it myself?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Frye
> Berkeley Solar Electric Systems
> 530 401 8024
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback Board Repair

[Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches]

Zonna is a dependable resource. I often find they have more repair boards and 
parts in their inventory than Outback does themselves. Whether the older legacy 
boards or newer VFXR series, Zonna has them. I think of them as the off grid 
distributor solution provider that AEE used to be known for.

Bradley B., has AEE made any effort to hire anyone that can attempt to offer 
the type of support and knowledge you were known for? Perhaps this is the 
reason they are phasing out Outback?

Wallace, am I understanding correctly that they now offer repair services or 
refurbished board sets? I’ve only purchased new from them in the past and last 
time it seemed Kris Stone was perhaps too overburdened for an expedient repair 
solution. Judging by the amount of failures myself or other off grid focused 
Outback dealers out there I imagine Kris would be tied up for years! Not trying 
to throw any negativity towards Outback as I know many are trying to deal with 
growing pains and providing sufficient support but it can certainly be painful 
at times. Really looking forward to going all in on Midnite’s newest offerings 
once they get the comms box out. Really loving the Barcelona and Rosie so far.

Nick






> On Feb 21, 2024, at 11:23 AM, Wallace Stahle via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> Zonna Energy is one option.  Thats zone-ah
> 
> I sent them a faulty radian stack after they sent me a repaired one.
> 
> 330-674-1750.   Ask for Amos or  Ext. 2.   zonnaenergy.com
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Matt Sherald via RE-wrenches 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I'm looking to move along some damaged Outback (GVFX and VFX) boards.
>> 
>> I found an older thread referencing Kris Stone, but didn't have luck with 
>> the email.  
>> 
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks!  
>> 
>> -- 
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>> PIMBY Energy, LLC
>> 304-704-5943
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding customer to Optics RE system

[Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches]

Greetings William,

I think the trick is to have the customer wait until they get the invite and 
not have them create an account ahead of time. However on your end, it does say 
something about the client being able to add the system if they already have an 
account. I too have come across this exact headache you’re referring to and 
seems like it always resolves itself by way of the invitation email the 
installer initiates.

Hope that helps. I know luck shouldn't need be associated but, good luck! Nick




> On Feb 21, 2024, at 11:12 AM, William Miller via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> Friends:
>  
> This is a subject that has frustrated me for a long time.  I have asked 
> Outback Tech support but none of their people do this because they are not 
> customers.
>  
> I will connect anew system to Optics and send the client an invitation.  The 
> customer creates and account and then is directed to a page that shows this:
>  
> 
>  
> There is only one link to click and it takes you to this:
>  
> 
> Again, you have only one choice.  The next step prompts to enter a MAC 
> address but that MAC address is already in the system and the system will not 
> let the customer proceed.
>  
> I have dealt with this for years.  Some customers stumble onto the solution 
> but if I look over someone’s shoulder I do not see how to log into an 
> existing system.  Anyone know what I am missing?
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> William
>  
>  
>  
> Miller Solar
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
> 805-438-5600
> www.millersolar.com 
> CA Lic. 773985
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Rugged Wind/Solar System For Radio

[Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches]

Sunwise-GlennSent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling 
errors.-- Original message--From: Mark Frye via RE-wrenchesDate: Wed, 
Feb 21, 2024 2:00 PMTo: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org;Cc: Mark 
Frye;Subject:[RE-wrenches] Rugged Wind/Solar System For Radio

Gentlefolk,




I have a 35 watt radio transmitter that I need to station in the desert for a 
critical application.




Any recommendations for a turnkey provider of a combined solar/wind/battery 
system?




Should I build it myself?




Thanks,




Mark Frye

Berkeley Solar Electric Systems

530 401 8024
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback Board Repair

[Wallace Stahle via RE-wrenches]

Zonna Energy is one option.  Thats zone-ah

I sent them a faulty radian stack after they sent me a repaired one.

330-674-1750.   Ask for Amos or  Ext. 2.   zonnaenergy.com

> On Feb 21, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Matt Sherald via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm looking to move along some damaged Outback (GVFX and VFX) boards.
> 
> I found an older thread referencing Kris Stone, but didn't have luck with the 
> email.  
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks!  
> 
> -- 
> Matt Sherald
> PIMBY Energy, LLC
> 304-704-5943
> 
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[RE-wrenches] Adding customer to Optics RE system

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Friends:



This is a subject that has frustrated me for a long time.  I have asked
Outback Tech support but none of their people do this because they are not
customers.



I will connect anew system to Optics and send the client an invitation.
The customer creates and account and then is directed to a page that shows
this:





There is only one link to click and it takes you to this:



Again, you have only one choice.  The next step prompts to enter a MAC
address but that MAC address is already in the system and the system will
not let the customer proceed.



I have dealt with this for years.  Some customers stumble onto the solution
but if I look over someone’s shoulder I do not see how to log into an
existing system.  Anyone know what I am missing?



Thanks in advance.



William







Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985
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[RE-wrenches] Outback Board Repair

[Matt Sherald via RE-wrenches]

Hi All,

I'm looking to move along some damaged Outback (GVFX and VFX) boards.

I found an older thread referencing Kris Stone, but didn't have luck with
the email.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks!

-- 
Matt Sherald
PIMBY Energy, LLC
304-704-5943
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[RE-wrenches] Rugged Wind/Solar System For Radio

[Mark Frye via RE-wrenches]

Gentlefolk,

I have a 35 watt radio transmitter that I need to station in the desert for a 
critical application.

Any recommendations for a turnkey provider of a combined solar/wind/battery 
system?

Should I build it myself?

Thanks,

Mark Frye
Berkeley Solar Electric Systems
530 401 8024
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[RE-wrenches] AP systems contact info

[jay via RE-wrenches]

Does anyone have a working phone number for AP systems?

I have a system that works but all the LED lights don’t work on the inverters

thanks

jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Tigo RSS Off Grid

[Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches]

The 48v to 12v DC converter approach should be immune from the inverters LBCO 
since it lives on the battery side of the inverter/bus. I’ve done a few systems 
using Tigo’s without issue. The main concern is you now have a DC load attached 
to the battery output lacking DC load protection that could potentially consume 
the little bit of battery capacity you had reserved below the programmed 
inverter LBCO. This possibly could require a black start effort by a homeowner 
or technician if there were severe clouds for an extended period. It’s not been 
a problem for me yet, I typically leave my LBCO for most of my Blue Ion sites 
at 48.4vdc.

I wasn’t aware of the Mean-well converters and had been forced to source them 
from Bezos unfortunately.

Nick





> On Feb 21, 2024, at 5:43 AM, Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
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> With the Sol-Ark (or other DC coupled inverter/charge controller combinations 
> such as the Envy), will the system pass through solar power if the inverter 
> has turned off on LBCO? If not, then these alternative methods for powering 
> the RSD signal generators won't make a difference, correct?
> And does anyone know about the built in signal generator in the Envy (or 
> others?) continue to work if the inverter has shut down on LBCO? If not, 
> wouldn't using the built in signal generators cause a significant headache in 
> those circumstances?
> Howie Michaelson
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 12:42 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches 
>  > wrote:
> What I recommended while at AEE was to use a 48VDC to 12VDC converter to 
> power the Tigo and APS transmitters. This works well. Here's the one I 
> recommended if it's still available:  mean-well/ddr30l12 
> I 
> never had any negative feedback using this with a Sol-Ark and APS devices. 
> 
> We have two recent installations employing a similar solution.  If it's 
> helpful I've attached a couple photos showing the converter and transmitter 
> that pair nicely with the suggested one-lines shared by Bradley.  This is 
> from a Sol-Ark/Fortress eVault installation with AP Smart RSD.  
> 
> Cheers,
> Sam
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Tigo RSS Off Grid

[Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches]

With the Sol-Ark (or other DC coupled inverter/charge controller
combinations such as the Envy), will the system pass through solar power if
the inverter has turned off on LBCO? If not, then these alternative methods
for powering the RSD signal generators won't make a difference, correct?
And does anyone know about the built in signal generator in the Envy (or
others?) continue to work if the inverter has shut down on LBCO? If not,
wouldn't using the built in signal generators cause a significant headache
in those circumstances?
Howie Michaelson


On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 12:42 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> What I recommended while at AEE was to use a 48VDC to 12VDC converter to
>> power the Tigo and APS transmitters. This works well. Here's the one I
>> recommended if it's still available:  mean-well/ddr30l12
>> I
>> never had any negative feedback using this with a Sol-Ark and APS devices.
>>
>
> We have two recent installations employing a similar solution.  If it's
> helpful I've attached a couple photos showing the converter and transmitter
> that pair nicely with the suggested one-lines shared by Bradley.  This is
> from a Sol-Ark/Fortress eVault installation with AP Smart RSD.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
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