[RE-wrenches] Discover rack mount battery connectors

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

Hi all

I’ve noticed that many batteries are now using a different type of battery 
connector. Almost like a kind of MC4. It has a positive locking mechanism. 
Discover, EG4, and others. 

I’m wondering if anyone knows if they are universal or specific to each brand?

And is there a name for this type of connector. 

Thanks

Jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] replacement needed for 12 vdc, 20w El-Sid circulator

[Solar Energy Solutions via RE-wrenches]

Dear Kirk and All,
We use the Laing Pump D5 solar/720B  Part # LMB15107992
Smiles,

 Andrew KoyaanisqatsiPresidentSolar Energy Solutions, Inc.
The BRIGHT CHOICE
Since 1987, helping you and your Portland neighbors
move towards an environmentally sustainable future.503-238-4502
www.SolarEnergyOregon.com  

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 07:26:47 AM PDT, Drake Chamberlin via 
RE-wrenches  wrote:  
 
 
I have a box of new, 24VDC El Sid pumps that I decided not to use. I would be 
willing to sell the lot for what i have in it.

Drake 

Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
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On 2024-05-26 12:35, Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches wrote:

Hello, Any recommendations for replacement? A customer's El Sid on an old Sdhw 
system just failed after 20 years of service. It is powered directly from a PV 
module. Thanks in advance.
 -- 

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Celebrating our 33st Anniversary 1991-2024!!

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[RE-wrenches] Discover AES explosion

[Vincent Jolissaint via RE-wrenches]

Michael, it is super scary to hear these stories and they are a good
reminder that Li-ion technology still has risks. I am glad the manufacturer
is taking care of you, but it is concerning to see that the battery safety
systems allowed the thermal runaway event.

Hopefully, the fire department coded the incident response correctly, so
the powers that be can understand this was a li-ion thermal event from a
home energy storage system.

As more and more ESS systems enter the market, getting a recent UL 9540
listing is important. The earlier versions of the standard were less
robust, but the current edition of 9540 requires UL 9540A testing to be
performed for indoor installations to establish minimum room size based on
25% LFL.

It looks like there will soon be a UL 9540B requirement, and the outline of
investigation is just circulating. I see one Discover datasheet shows UL
9540 listing, but I didn't do research into what edition they tested to, or
if this was the same unit that exploded.

The issue with the 9540A thermal runaway testing is it might not have
tested for this failure mode, but the conditions you describe are very
similar to what 9540B intends to test.

I know many feel LFP is a safer battery than NMC or other li-ion
chemistries, but these events show that the LFP batteries do fail, and when
they do, they can cause large sudden deflagration events without other
warning. An NMC battery pack buy contrast will usually fail by burning
until it is consumed, which might at least set off a smoke or heat
detector.

Were there any fire detection measures in the shed such as a heat or smoke
detector?


*Vince Jolissaint |* *Director of CAD Services*

2557 Wyandotte Street | Mountain View, CA  94043
Office: 650.938.9574 | Email: vince...@cobaltpower.com






>
> Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 20:40:00 -0700
> From: Michael Morningstar 
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Discover AES exposion
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> Hey Everybody,
>
> I wanted to circle back on the Discover AES explosion that I reported a few
> weeks ago. As far as we know, there was a thermal runaway situation. Gas
> from the battery filled the power room and then ignited causing an
> explosion. It was hot enough that anything plastic melted. The steel man
> door blew off its hinges. Beyond that, we are still trying to figure out
> why it happened.
>
> For now, what I want to say is that Discover has been awesome. The VP, CEO
> and crew responded immediately. They are paying for the cleanup of the
> building by a specialized remediation company, offered to pay to have the
> building rebuilt, 2nd day shipped new rack mount batteries and a pre-built
> Schneider system to the site. Are paying a plumbing contractor to replace
> all of the plumbing (booster pump, pressure tank and significant treatment
> equipment. Flying Mike Wight (ace off-grid installer and
> applications engineer for Discover) to the site for the rebuild. And
> reimbursing me for my involvement. This with no coercion or dawdling about.
> As soon as they found out, they were on it. I spoke with the VP and CEO and
> they genuinely care about my clients and want to do right for the sake of
> doing right, not to avoid litigation. Tell me of another RE company, or any
> company for that matter that would respond this way.
>
> --
>
> Michael Morningstar
>
>
> Morningstar Electric Inc
>
> PO Box 1494
>
> Mount Shasta, CA 96067
>
> 530-921-0560
>
> CSLB 1116835
>
> mjmornings...@gmail.com
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>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NOS SMA-41

[Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches]

John,
Just an FYI, the new SBSE inverters are available in the up to 7.7kw
models. I believe the SPS is possible with them right now, but the more
involved backup options are not yet available.
Cheers,
Dave

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 1:50 PM John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches <
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> Jeremy,
> I’m looking for the same inverter as well.  I was just going to post info
> on a PV upgrade for one of my oldest customers currently running a grid tie
> with backup installed in  2002.  It is a Trace SW4024 with 3 MX60's and 3
> TOP racks of 12 Sunwize 110's.  I am going to repanel with 24 365 watt
> panels or higher with some continuing to feed into 2 FM80’s and the rest of
> the PV direct grid tied.  I was looking at the Secure Power supply as a
> source when grid was out to feed the additional power to the batteries
> through 2 iota DLS  24v 40 amps chargers in a longer outage.  It looks like
> the new SMA 3.8 hybrid inverter would also work but may not yet be
> available.
>
> John.
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 7:Jeremy Rodriguez via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Looking for an SB3.8-1SP-US-41 if anyone has one please contact me off
>> list
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Jeremy Rodriguez
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NOS SMA-41

[John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches]

Jeremy,
I’m looking for the same inverter as well.  I was just going to post info
on a PV upgrade for one of my oldest customers currently running a grid tie
with backup installed in  2002.  It is a Trace SW4024 with 3 MX60's and 3
TOP racks of 12 Sunwize 110's.  I am going to repanel with 24 365 watt
panels or higher with some continuing to feed into 2 FM80’s and the rest of
the PV direct grid tied.  I was looking at the Secure Power supply as a
source when grid was out to feed the additional power to the batteries
through 2 iota DLS  24v 40 amps chargers in a longer outage.  It looks like
the new SMA 3.8 hybrid inverter would also work but may not yet be
available.

John.

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 7:Jeremy Rodriguez via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Looking for an SB3.8-1SP-US-41 if anyone has one please contact me off
> list
>
>
>
> 
> Jeremy Rodriguez
> Solar Installation / Design
> All Solar, Inc.
> 1453 M St.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Discover AES exposion

[Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches]

Yes, it's interior dimensions are 10 x12.

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 7:01 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
 wrote:

> Hey Michael,
>
> I heard that it was a pretty small shed, can you comment on that please.
> Good luck on the trouble shooting.
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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>https://offgridsolar1.com/ 
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> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
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>
> On 2024-05-27 8:40 pm, Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> Hey Everybody,
>
> I wanted to circle back on the Discover AES explosion that I reported a
> few weeks ago. As far as we know, there was a thermal runaway situation.
> Gas from the battery filled the power room and then ignited causing an
> explosion. It was hot enough that anything plastic melted. The steel man
> door blew off its hinges. Beyond that, we are still trying to figure out
> why it happened.
>
> For now, what I want to say is that Discover has been awesome. The VP, CEO
> and crew responded immediately. They are paying for the cleanup of the
> building by a specialized remediation company, offered to pay to have the
> building rebuilt, 2nd day shipped new rack mount batteries and a pre-built
> Schneider system to the site. Are paying a plumbing contractor to replace
> all of the plumbing (booster pump, pressure tank and significant treatment
> equipment. Flying Mike Wight (ace off-grid installer and
> applications engineer for Discover) to the site for the rebuild. And
> reimbursing me for my involvement. This with no coercion or dawdling about.
> As soon as they found out, they were on it. I spoke with the VP and CEO and
> they genuinely care about my clients and want to do right for the sake of
> doing right, not to avoid litigation. Tell me of another RE company, or any
> company for that matter that would respond this way.
>
> --
>
>
>
> Michael Morningstar
>
>
>
> Morningstar Electric Inc
>
> PO Box 1494
>
> Mount Shasta, CA 96067
>
> 530-921-0560
>
> CSLB 1116835
>
> mjmornings...@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Discover AES exposion

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches]

Hey Michael,

I heard that it was a pretty small shed, can you comment on that please. 
Good luck on the trouble shooting.


Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
   [1]https://offgridsolar1.com/ [2]  [1]
e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
text 209 813 0060

On 2024-05-27 8:40 pm, Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote:


Hey Everybody,

I wanted to circle back on the Discover AES explosion that I reported a 
few weeks ago. As far as we know, there was a thermal runaway 
situation. Gas from the battery filled the power room and then ignited 
causing an explosion. It was hot enough that anything plastic melted. 
The steel man door blew off its hinges. Beyond that, we are still 
trying to figure out why it happened.


For now, what I want to say is that Discover has been awesome. The VP, 
CEO and crew responded immediately. They are paying for the cleanup of 
the building by a specialized remediation company, offered to pay to 
have the building rebuilt, 2nd day shipped new rack mount batteries and 
a pre-built Schneider system to the site. Are paying a plumbing 
contractor to replace all of the plumbing (booster pump, pressure tank 
and significant treatment equipment. Flying Mike Wight (ace off-grid 
installer and applications engineer for Discover) to the site for the 
rebuild. And reimbursing me for my involvement. This with no coercion 
or dawdling about. As soon as they found out, they were on it. I spoke 
with the VP and CEO and they genuinely care about my clients and want 
to do right for the sake of doing right, not to avoid litigation. Tell 
me of another RE company, or any company for that matter that would 
respond this way.

--

Michael Morningstar

Morningstar Electric Inc

PO Box 1494

Mount Shasta, CA 96067

530-921-0560

CSLB 1116835

mjmornings...@gmail.com

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Discover AES exposion

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

That is fantastic service!  And it also confirms  that LFP batteries are actually capable of the same explosive energy ( even more actually) as NMC contrary to the claims made by many that it’s impossible. While I’m using LFP batteries in most systems, it does scare me much more than Lead. JayOn May 27, 2024, at 9:41 PM, Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches  wrote:Hey Everybody,I wanted to circle back on the Discover AES explosion that I reported a few weeks ago. As far as we know, there was a thermal runaway situation. Gas from the battery filled the power room and then ignited causing an explosion. It was hot enough that anything plastic melted. The steel man door blew off its hinges. Beyond that, we are still trying to figure out why it happened.For now, what I want to say is that Discover has been awesome. The VP, CEO and crew responded immediately. They are paying for the cleanup of the building by a specialized remediation company, offered to pay to have the building rebuilt, 2nd day shipped new rack mount batteries and a pre-built Schneider system to the site. Are paying a plumbing contractor to replace all of the plumbing (booster pump, pressure tank and significant treatment equipment. Flying Mike Wight (ace off-grid installer and applications engineer for Discover) to the site for the rebuild. And reimbursing me for my involvement. This with no coercion or dawdling about. As soon as they found out, they were on it. I spoke with the VP and CEO and they genuinely care about my clients and want to do right for the sake of doing right, not to avoid litigation. Tell me of another RE company, or any company for that matter that would respond this way.-- 








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[RE-wrenches] NOS SMA-41

[Jeremy Rodriguez via RE-wrenches]

Looking for an SB3.8-1SP-US-41 if anyone has one please contact me off list


Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design
All Solar, Inc.
1453 M St.
Penrose Colorado 81240

Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.
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