Re: [RE-wrenches] 3 phase off-grid UL listed

2022-09-08 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches 


This is a new product from Schneider to solve a few of the issues. A 
recent webinar had the 3 phase issue brought up and this 200A pre wired 
panel. The 3 phase webinar is next, I heard.


https://solar.se.com/us/en/?s=865-BCS-2200

Whole home backup or subpanel backup with up to 200
A rating
* Service entrance rated when installed with a main breaker
* Top or bottom entry for grid input
* Optional non-backup circuit, making it easy to backup an
existing panel and remove select non-critical loads
* Fast 50 ms transfer from grid connected to backup power
operation
* Reliable backup power and load starting performance
with the compatible XW Pro inverters
* Connect up to 4 XW Pro inverters for up to 27 kW
continuous and 48 kW peak backup power capability

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On 2022-09-08 9:21 am, Eric Smiley via RE-wrenches wrote:

I've worked with a few larger 3-phase Conext XW systems - 3 inverters 
and 6 inverters.
The inverters' output capabilities are slightly reduced since they have 
to be converted to 120 V, effectively doubling the output current. 
Also,they required an external transfer switch. Even with 3 inverters 
configured for 3-phase, I would recommend an external transfer. The 
relays have a habit of welding.
Once they were configured properly, there was no problem starting large 
HVAC loads and even large single phase loads were OK.


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On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 08:49, Vince McClellan via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


That's a market segment that no inverter company that I know of really 
makes a product for.

I would probably use 3 Sol-Ark 12K inverters.
You'll have to be careful with load balancing with any Sol-Ark inverter 
though.
Schneider would also work but you will have a lot of individual 
components and you would need to be careful that the internal transfer 
switch is within its 60 amp capacity limit from a generator or other 
source. With multiple Schneider inverters there is the possibility that 
not all of the internal transfer switches will  trip at exactly the 
same time causing the transfer switch in one inverter to take the whole 
load.
I was originally a staunch Outback fan but we've stopped using their 
products after we had repeated Incidents of equipment not working right 
out of the box.


Vince McClellan
Energy Design

On Sep 8, 2022, at 07:30, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Outback FX R can be built to be 3 phase and solark also works, for 30 k 
l would look at solark, 3 12's or 15's.

Jerry

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022, 4:42 AM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

What inverter options are there for 3 phase, UL listed, off-grid 
inverter systems in the 30kW+ category?

It's been quite a while since I dove into this...
Thanks!
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Re: [RE-wrenches] 3 phase off-grid UL listed

2022-09-08 Thread Eric Smiley via RE-wrenches 
I've worked with a few larger 3-phase Conext XW systems - 3 inverters and 6
inverters.
The inverters' output capabilities are slightly reduced since they have to
be converted to 120 V, effectively doubling the output current. Also,they
required an external transfer switch. Even with 3 inverters configured for
3-phase, I would recommend an external transfer. The relays have a habit of
welding.
Once they were configured properly, there was no problem starting large
HVAC loads and even large single phase loads were OK.


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e...@vecoop.ca
T: 250.703.6004 <+12507036004>
T: 888.386.0116 <+18883860116>
*VIRIDIANENERGY.CA *

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On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 08:49, Vince McClellan via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> That’s a market segment that no inverter company that I know of really
> makes a product for.
> I would probably use 3 Sol-Ark 12K inverters.
> You’ll have to be careful with load balancing with any Sol-Ark inverter
> though.
> Schneider would also work but you will have a lot of individual components
> and you would need to be careful that the internal transfer switch is
> within its 60 amp capacity limit from a generator or other source. With
> multiple Schneider inverters there is the possibility that not all of the
> internal transfer switches will  trip at exactly the same time causing the
> transfer switch in one inverter to take the whole load.
> I was originally a staunch Outback fan but we’ve stopped using their
> products after we had repeated Incidents of equipment not working right out
> of the box.
>
> Vince McClellan
> Energy Design
>
> On Sep 8, 2022, at 07:30, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Outback FX R can be built to be 3 phase and solark also works, for 30 k l
> would look at solark, 3 12's or 15's.
> Jerry
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022, 4:42 AM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello Wrenches,
>>
>> What inverter options are there for 3 phase, UL listed, off-grid inverter
>> systems in the 30kW+ category?
>> It's been quite a while since I dove into this...
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] 3 phase off-grid UL listed

2022-09-08 Thread Vince McClellan via RE-wrenches 
That’s a market segment that no inverter company that I know of really makes a 
product for. 
I would probably use 3 Sol-Ark 12K inverters. 
You’ll have to be careful with load balancing with any Sol-Ark inverter though. 
Schneider would also work but you will have a lot of individual components and 
you would need to be careful that the internal transfer switch is within its 60 
amp capacity limit from a generator or other source. With multiple Schneider 
inverters there is the possibility that not all of the internal transfer 
switches will  trip at exactly the same time causing the transfer switch in one 
inverter to take the whole load. 
I was originally a staunch Outback fan but we’ve stopped using their products 
after we had repeated Incidents of equipment not working right out of the box.  

Vince McClellan 
Energy Design 

> On Sep 8, 2022, at 07:30, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Outback FX R can be built to be 3 phase and solark also works, for 30 k l 
> would look at solark, 3 12's or 15's.
> Jerry
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022, 4:42 AM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches 
>>  wrote:
>> Hello Wrenches,
>> 
>> What inverter options are there for 3 phase, UL listed, off-grid inverter 
>> systems in the 30kW+ category?  
>> It's been quite a while since I dove into this...
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] 3 phase off-grid UL listed

2022-09-08 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
Outback FX R can be built to be 3 phase and solark also works, for 30 k l
would look at solark, 3 12's or 15's.
Jerry

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022, 4:42 AM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hello Wrenches,
>
> What inverter options are there for 3 phase, UL listed, off-grid inverter
> systems in the 30kW+ category?
> It's been quite a while since I dove into this...
> Thanks!
>
> --
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] 3 phase off-grid UL listed

2022-09-08 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches 
Hi Mac

Sol ark does, Schneider XWpro does,
Outback vfxr does but only 9 which is 32kw

That’s all I can think of

Jay

> On Sep 8, 2022, at 5:42 AM, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Wrenches,
> 
> What inverter options are there for 3 phase, UL listed, off-grid inverter 
> systems in the 30kW+ category?  
> It's been quite a while since I dove into this...
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
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[RE-wrenches] 3 phase off-grid UL listed

2022-09-08 Thread Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches 
Hello Wrenches,

What inverter options are there for 3 phase, UL listed, off-grid inverter
systems in the 30kW+ category?
It's been quite a while since I dove into this...
Thanks!

-- 



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