Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[Benn Kilburn]

Actually there would NOT be any direct sun exposure (sun passing north of 
overhead) around midday around here. The only direct sun exposure on a north 
wall would be in the summer mornings and evenings. 
See the sun path chart on this linked page
http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/edmonton.html

Midday sun on a north wall in Panama??? Now that is another story.
http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/panama.html

Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy Inc. 
780-906-7807

> On Aug 29, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Benn Kilburn <b...@skyfireenergy.com> wrote:
> 
> Nick, 
> Yes, there would be some direct sun exposure midday as well. 
> 
> Benn Kilburn
> SkyFire Energy Inc. 
> 780-906-7807
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Nick Soleil <nsol...@enphaseenergy.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Wrenches. 
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, our product is NEMA 6, so is pretty robust once the DC and AC cables 
>> are connected.  That said, our M215 Installation and Operation Manual states 
>> that the microinverters should not be installed in a location that allows 
>> for "long term exposure to direct sunlight."  The challenge with north 
>> facing locations is that the sun does pass to the north of direct overhead 
>> for several hours a day in the summer months.  Depending on the amount of 
>> exposure during the summer afternoons, this could be problematic.  
>> 
>> 
>> See page 18 of the manual:
>> 
>> https://enphase.com/sites/default/files/M215_Installation_Manual_NA.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cordially,
>>  Nick Soleil
>> Enphase Energy
>>  | Field Applications Engineer
>> 
>> (707) 763-4784 x7267  // office
>> (707) 321-2937  // cell
>> 
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>> From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf of 
>> jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:43 PM
>> To: RE-wrenches
>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers
>>  
>> Hi Bill and Benn,
>> 
>> Those micros are rated nema 6, which is submersible rated.
>> 
>> I”m curious which element/s they are referring to?
>> 
>> jay
>> peltz power
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:35 PM, frenergy <frene...@psln.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Benn,
>>> 
>>> Just curious, if they are on a north facing wall at your 
>>> latitude (Edmonton?) they shouldn't ever see any sun or just the tiniest 
>>> bit.  Considering the normal location of micros it seems some wind and rain 
>>> should be expected whether under a module or under a north facing eave.  
>>> Enlighten me.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> Feather River Solar Electric
>>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>>> 4291 Nelson St.
>>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>>> 530.284.7849
>>> CA Lic 874049
>>> www.frenergy.net
>>>> On 8/28/2016 5:23 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
>>>> We are working on a service call for an enphase system (installed by 
>>>> others) where the 9 inverters are located, exposed to the elements, on 
>>>> rack on a north facing wall (rooftop equipment enclosure). The modules are 
>>>> installed about 75' away as decorative(?) awnings for a downtown penthouse 
>>>> suite. 
>>>> So far about 3 of the enphase inverters (M215's I believe, would have to 
>>>> double check) have failed and have been replaced and I recently was on the 
>>>> service call where enphase determined that 4 more would need to be 
>>>> replaced as well. 
>>>> Enphase is claiming that the inverters are failing because they are 
>>>> exposed to the elements. 
>>>> We are in the process of designing a cover for them that would provide at 
>>>> least as much protection as a module would. 
>>>> 
>>>> Benn Kilburn
>>>&g

Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[Benn Kilburn]

Nick, 
Yes, there would be some direct sun exposure midday as well. 

Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy Inc. 
780-906-7807

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Nick Soleil <nsol...@enphaseenergy.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wrenches. 
> 
> 
> Yes, our product is NEMA 6, so is pretty robust once the DC and AC cables are 
> connected.  That said, our M215 Installation and Operation Manual states that 
> the microinverters should not be installed in a location that allows for 
> "long term exposure to direct sunlight."  The challenge with north facing 
> locations is that the sun does pass to the north of direct overhead for 
> several hours a day in the summer months.  Depending on the amount of 
> exposure during the summer afternoons, this could be problematic.  
> 
> 
> See page 18 of the manual:
> 
> https://enphase.com/sites/default/files/M215_Installation_Manual_NA.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> Cordially,
>  Nick Soleil
> Enphase Energy
>  | Field Applications Engineer
> 
> (707) 763-4784 x7267  // office
> (707) 321-2937  // cell
> 
> 
> Energy
>  Evolved
> ™
> 
> 
> Powering What’s Next™ | The Enphase Energy Management System
> 
> 
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> California C10 Licensed Electrician #986315
> Texas Master Electrician #284451
> 
> “Don’t get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It’s just that I prefer fusion to 
> fission. And it just so happens that there’s an enormous fusion reactor 
> safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could 
> ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it’s wireless!”  
> - William McDonough
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf of 
> jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:43 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers
>  
> Hi Bill and Benn,
> 
> Those micros are rated nema 6, which is submersible rated.
> 
> I”m curious which element/s they are referring to?
> 
> jay
> peltz power
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:35 PM, frenergy <frene...@psln.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Benn,
>> 
>> Just curious, if they are on a north facing wall at your 
>> latitude (Edmonton?) they shouldn't ever see any sun or just the tiniest 
>> bit.  Considering the normal location of micros it seems some wind and rain 
>> should be expected whether under a module or under a north facing eave.  
>> Enlighten me.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> Feather River Solar Electric
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> 530.284.7849
>> CA Lic 874049
>> www.frenergy.net
>>> On 8/28/2016 5:23 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
>>> We are working on a service call for an enphase system (installed by 
>>> others) where the 9 inverters are located, exposed to the elements, on rack 
>>> on a north facing wall (rooftop equipment enclosure). The modules are 
>>> installed about 75' away as decorative(?) awnings for a downtown penthouse 
>>> suite. 
>>> So far about 3 of the enphase inverters (M215's I believe, would have to 
>>> double check) have failed and have been replaced and I recently was on the 
>>> service call where enphase determined that 4 more would need to be replaced 
>>> as well. 
>>> Enphase is claiming that the inverters are failing because they are exposed 
>>> to the elements. 
>>> We are in the process of designing a cover for them that would provide at 
>>> least as much protection as a module would. 
>>> 
>>> Benn Kilburn
>>> SkyFire Energy Inc. 
>>> 780-906-7807
>>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Peter Giroux <pgir...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>  
>>>>   We had some problems last year with some of the fronius primos leaking 
>>>> in rain / wind conditions. Customer had a local shop tig weld an aluminum 
>>>> shell / box that went around the unit. Had a shelf at the top that stuck 
>>>> out like the brim of a hat. Worked great. We had also looked for something 
>>>> and this custom made box was reasonably priced, looked great and solved 
>>>> the leaking issue. If you want pictures let me know.
>>>>  
>>>> Peter Giroux
>>>> American Solar
>>>> Roswell Ga
>>>> 678-525-0468
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Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[Benn Kilburn]

Bill and Jay,
I didn't hear it from Enphase directly myself, otherwise I would have called 
BS. 
Around here, if they are on a north facing wall with no obstructions to the 
east or west then they would get some direct sun early and late in the day, for 
maybe a month or so in the summer. Hardly an issue, you might think?


Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy Inc. 
780-906-7807

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:43 PM, jay  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill and Benn,
> 
> Those micros are rated nema 6, which is submersible rated.
> 
> I”m curious which element/s they are referring to?
> 
> jay
> peltz power
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:35 PM, frenergy  wrote:
>> 
>> Benn,
>> 
>> Just curious, if they are on a north facing wall at your 
>> latitude (Edmonton?) they shouldn't ever see any sun or just the tiniest 
>> bit.  Considering the normal location of micros it seems some wind and rain 
>> should be expected whether under a module or under a north facing eave.  
>> Enlighten me.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> Feather River Solar Electric
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> 530.284.7849
>> CA Lic 874049
>> www.frenergy.net
>>> On 8/28/2016 5:23 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
>>> We are working on a service call for an enphase system (installed by 
>>> others) where the 9 inverters are located, exposed to the elements, on rack 
>>> on a north facing wall (rooftop equipment enclosure). The modules are 
>>> installed about 75' away as decorative(?) awnings for a downtown penthouse 
>>> suite. 
>>> So far about 3 of the enphase inverters (M215's I believe, would have to 
>>> double check) have failed and have been replaced and I recently was on the 
>>> service call where enphase determined that 4 more would need to be replaced 
>>> as well. 
>>> Enphase is claiming that the inverters are failing because they are exposed 
>>> to the elements. 
>>> We are in the process of designing a cover for them that would provide at 
>>> least as much protection as a module would. 
>>> 
>>> Benn Kilburn
>>> SkyFire Energy Inc. 
>>> 780-906-7807
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Peter Giroux  wrote:
 
 Andrew
  
   We had some problems last year with some of the fronius primos leaking 
 in rain / wind conditions. Customer had a local shop tig weld an aluminum 
 shell / box that went around the unit. Had a shelf at the top that stuck 
 out like the brim of a hat. Worked great. We had also looked for something 
 and this custom made box was reasonably priced, looked great and solved 
 the leaking issue. If you want pictures let me know.
  
 Peter Giroux
 American Solar
 Roswell Ga
 678-525-0468
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Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[Nick Soleil]

Hi Wrenches.


Yes, our product is NEMA 6, so is pretty robust once the DC and AC cables are 
connected.  That said, our M215 Installation and Operation Manual states that 
the microinverters should not be installed in a location that allows for "long 
term exposure to direct sunlight."  The challenge with north facing locations 
is that the sun does pass to the north of direct overhead for several hours a 
day in the summer months.  Depending on the amount of exposure during the 
summer afternoons, this could be problematic.


See page 18 of the manual:

https://enphase.com/sites/default/files/M215_Installation_Manual_NA.pdf




Cordially,

Nick Soleil

Enphase Energy | Field Applications Engineer


(707) 763-4784 x7267  // office

(707) 321-2937  // cell

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From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf of jay 
<jay.pe...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:43 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

Hi Bill and Benn,

Those micros are rated nema 6, which is submersible rated.

I”m curious which element/s they are referring to?

jay
peltz power






On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:35 PM, frenergy 
<frene...@psln.com<mailto:frene...@psln.com>> wrote:


Benn,

Just curious, if they are on a north facing wall at your latitude 
(Edmonton?) they shouldn't ever see any sun or just the tiniest bit.  
Considering the normal location of micros it seems some wind and rain should be 
expected whether under a module or under a north facing eave.  Enlighten me.

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net<http://www.frenergy.net/>

On 8/28/2016 5:23 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
We are working on a service call for an enphase system (installed by others) 
where the 9 inverters are located, exposed to the elements, on rack on a north 
facing wall (rooftop equipment enclosure). The modules are installed about 75' 
away as decorative(?) awnings for a downtown penthouse suite.
So far about 3 of the enphase inverters (M215's I believe, would have to double 
check) have failed and have been replaced and I recently was on the service 
call where enphase determined that 4 more would need to be replaced as well.
Enphase is claiming that the inverters are failing because they are exposed to 
the elements.
We are in the process of designing a cover for them that would provide at least 
as much protection as a module would.

Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy Inc.
780-906-7807

On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Peter Giroux 
<pgir...@mindspring.com<mailto:pgir...@mindspring.com>> wrote:

Andrew

  We had some problems last year with some of the fronius primos leaking in 
rain / wind conditions. Customer had a local shop tig weld an aluminum shell / 
box that went around the unit. Had a shelf at the top that stuck out like the 
brim of a hat. Worked great. We had also looked for something and this custom 
made box was reasonably priced, looked great and solved the leaking issue. If 
you want pictures let me know.

Peter Giroux
American Solar
Roswell Ga
678-525-0468


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Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[jay]

Hi Bill and Benn,

Those micros are rated nema 6, which is submersible rated.

I”m curious which element/s they are referring to?

jay
peltz power






> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:35 PM, frenergy  wrote:
> 
> Benn,
> 
> Just curious, if they are on a north facing wall at your latitude 
> (Edmonton?) they shouldn't ever see any sun or just the tiniest bit.  
> Considering the normal location of micros it seems some wind and rain should 
> be expected whether under a module or under a north facing eave.  Enlighten 
> me.
> 
> Bill
> 
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> www.frenergy.net 
> On 8/28/2016 5:23 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
>> We are working on a service call for an enphase system (installed by others) 
>> where the 9 inverters are located, exposed to the elements, on rack on a 
>> north facing wall (rooftop equipment enclosure). The modules are installed 
>> about 75' away as decorative(?) awnings for a downtown penthouse suite. 
>> So far about 3 of the enphase inverters (M215's I believe, would have to 
>> double check) have failed and have been replaced and I recently was on the 
>> service call where enphase determined that 4 more would need to be replaced 
>> as well. 
>> Enphase is claiming that the inverters are failing because they are exposed 
>> to the elements. 
>> We are in the process of designing a cover for them that would provide at 
>> least as much protection as a module would. 
>> 
>> Benn Kilburn
>> SkyFire Energy Inc. 
>> 780-906-7807
>> 
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Peter Giroux > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Andrew
>>>  
>>>   We had some problems last year with some of the fronius primos leaking in 
>>> rain / wind conditions. Customer had a local shop tig weld an aluminum 
>>> shell / box that went around the unit. Had a shelf at the top that stuck 
>>> out like the brim of a hat. Worked great. We had also looked for something 
>>> and this custom made box was reasonably priced, looked great and solved the 
>>> leaking issue. If you want pictures let me know.
>>>  
>>> Peter Giroux
>>> American Solar
>>> Roswell Ga
>>> 678-525-0468
>>>  
>>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[frenergy]

Benn,

Just curious, if they are on a north facing wall at your 
latitude (Edmonton?) they shouldn't ever see any sun or just the tiniest 
bit.  Considering the normal location of micros it seems some wind and 
rain should be expected whether under a module or under a north facing 
eave.  Enlighten me.


Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net

On 8/28/2016 5:23 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
We are working on a service call for an enphase system (installed by 
others) where the 9 inverters are located, exposed to the elements, on 
rack on a north facing wall (rooftop equipment enclosure). The modules 
are installed about 75' away as decorative(?) awnings for a downtown 
penthouse suite.
So far about 3 of the enphase inverters (M215's I believe, would have 
to double check) have failed and have been replaced and I recently was 
on the service call where enphase determined that 4 more would need to 
be replaced as well.
Enphase is claiming that the inverters are failing because they are 
exposed to the elements.
We are in the process of designing a cover for them that would provide 
at least as much protection as a module would.


Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy Inc.
780-906-7807

On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Peter Giroux > wrote:



Andrew
  We had some problems last year with some of the fronius primos 
leaking in rain / wind conditions. Customer had a local shop tig weld 
an aluminum shell / box that went around the unit. Had a shelf at the 
top that stuck out like the brim of a hat. Worked great. We had also 
looked for something and this custom made box was reasonably priced, 
looked great and solved the leaking issue. If you want pictures let 
me know.

Peter Giroux
American Solar
Roswell Ga
678-525-0468

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Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[Benn Kilburn]

We are working on a service call for an enphase system (installed by others) 
where the 9 inverters are located, exposed to the elements, on rack on a north 
facing wall (rooftop equipment enclosure). The modules are installed about 75' 
away as decorative(?) awnings for a downtown penthouse suite. 
So far about 3 of the enphase inverters (M215's I believe, would have to double 
check) have failed and have been replaced and I recently was on the service 
call where enphase determined that 4 more would need to be replaced as well. 
Enphase is claiming that the inverters are failing because they are exposed to 
the elements. 
We are in the process of designing a cover for them that would provide at least 
as much protection as a module would. 

Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy Inc. 
780-906-7807

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Peter Giroux <pgir...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> Andrew
>  
>   We had some problems last year with some of the fronius primos leaking in 
> rain / wind conditions. Customer had a local shop tig weld an aluminum shell 
> / box that went around the unit. Had a shelf at the top that stuck out like 
> the brim of a hat. Worked great. We had also looked for something and this 
> custom made box was reasonably priced, looked great and solved the leaking 
> issue. If you want pictures let me know.
>  
> Peter Giroux
> American Solar
> Roswell Ga
> 678-525-0468
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:01 PM
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers
> 
> Has anyone used or had success with any kind of a shade cover?.. specifically 
> for the SMA TL inverters?  We have one that is going to get hit by the sun 
> pretty good.
> 
> Thanks!
>  
>  
> Andrew Koyaanisqatsi
> President
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Re: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[Peter Giroux]

Andrew

  We had some problems last year with some of the fronius primos leaking in 
rain / wind conditions. Customer had a local shop tig weld an aluminum shell / 
box that went around the unit. Had a shelf at the top that stuck out like the 
brim of a hat. Worked great. We had also looked for something and this custom 
made box was reasonably priced, looked great and solved the leaking issue. If 
you want pictures let me know.

Peter Giroux
American Solar
Roswell Ga
678-525-0468


  - Original Message - 
  From: Solar Energy Solutions 
  To: RE-wrenches 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:01 PM
  Subject: [RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers


  Has anyone used or had success with any kind of a shade cover?.. specifically 
for the SMA TL inverters?  We have one that is going to get hit by the sun 
pretty good.


  Thanks!


  Andrew Koyaanisqatsi
  President
  Solar Energy Solutions, Inc.
  The BRIGHT CHOICE

  Since 1987, helping you and your Portland neighbors
  move towards an environmentally sustainable future.
  503-238-4502
  www.SolarEnergyOregon.com 


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[RE-wrenches] After market SMA TL inverter shade covers

[Solar Energy Solutions]

Has anyone used or had success with any kind of a shade cover?.. specifically 
for the SMA TL inverters?  We have one that is going to get hit by the sun 
pretty good.
Thanks!  Andrew KoyaanisqatsiPresidentSolar Energy Solutions, Inc.
The BRIGHT CHOICE
Since 1987, helping you and your Portland neighbors
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