Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Jay]

Hi Darryl

It has to do with the zero point crossing. 
With pure sine wave, it crosses almost vertical angle so no time spent there.  
Mod square wave usually has a flat crossing, totally screws certain things up. 

Jay
Peltz power. 

> On Apr 24, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Darryl Thayer  wrote:
> 
> I just spoke with my ev car expert, the onboard charger controls charge by he 
> says PWM there has always been a problem with PWM AC control on modified 
> square wave inverters.  Causing failures when the switching is coincidental.  
> I forgot the exact reason but I have failed equipment using a modified square 
> wave inverter on portable tool charging equipment.
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Ray  wrote:
>> Pretty sure the Magnum will work, since I have a customer with a Chevy Volt 
>> running on old Trace SW4024 inverters.  Not mod sine, but they're not near 
>> as clean as the Magnums either.
>> 
>> -Ray
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4/23/18 12:33 PM, RE Ellison wrote:
>>> I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has 
>>> been no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with 
>>> his Chevy bolt
>>> 
>>> Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re 
>>> discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger 
>>> would work in this situation?
>>> 
>>> Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Bob Ellison
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[RE Ellison]

My apologies Bob been using it for years ! 

but not many of them left anyway

Bob

> On Apr 24, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Bob-O Schultze  wrote:
> 
> Krikey!
> Can we all please stop using the term “modified sine wave”? It’s just 
> marketing BS and y’all know it. Anyone who has looked at that waveform on an 
> oscilloscope can plaining see that it is a modified square wave. When we use 
> the BS marketing term we are lying to our clients and to ourselves.  
> 
> Bob-O
> 
> On Apr 23, 2018, at 11:33 AM, RE Ellison  wrote:
> 
> I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has 
> been no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with 
> his Chevy bolt
> 
> Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re 
> discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger 
> would work in this situation? 
> 
> Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !
> 
> Thanks
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Chris Schaefer]

I have successfully charged a Chevy Volt with a Radian 8048 set up in an
off-grid system. The client has since sold the volt. It was terrible in the
snow of our Western NY winters, LOL!

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On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Darryl Thayer 
wrote:

> I just spoke with my ev car expert, the onboard charger controls charge by
> he says PWM there has always been a problem with PWM AC control on modified
> square wave inverters.  Causing failures when the switching is
> coincidental.  I forgot the exact reason but I have failed equipment using
> a modified square wave inverter on portable tool charging equipment.
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Ray  wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure the Magnum will work, since I have a customer with a Chevy
>> Volt running on old Trace SW4024 inverters.  Not mod sine, but they're not
>> near as clean as the Magnums either.
>>
>> -Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/23/18 12:33 PM, RE Ellison wrote:
>>
>>> I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that
>>> has been no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City
>>> with his Chevy bolt
>>>
>>> Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re
>>> discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger
>>> would work in this situation?
>>>
>>> Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Bob Ellison
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Darryl Thayer]

I just spoke with my ev car expert, the onboard charger controls charge by
he says PWM there has always been a problem with PWM AC control on modified
square wave inverters.  Causing failures when the switching is
coincidental.  I forgot the exact reason but I have failed equipment using
a modified square wave inverter on portable tool charging equipment.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Ray  wrote:

> Pretty sure the Magnum will work, since I have a customer with a Chevy
> Volt running on old Trace SW4024 inverters.  Not mod sine, but they're not
> near as clean as the Magnums either.
>
> -Ray
>
>
> On 4/23/18 12:33 PM, RE Ellison wrote:
>
>> I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has
>> been no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with
>> his Chevy bolt
>>
>> Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re
>> discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger
>> would work in this situation?
>>
>> Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bob Ellison
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Darryl Thayer]

I wonder what is the attempted charge rate?  Depending upon the year the
Volt can draw 3.3 kW or 6.6 kW the EV charge station will also have an
effect.  If it is a level one charger 120 Volt input the car will draw 1.5
kW up to 1.9 kW.   I have charged a Leaf on a level one charger, about 1.5
kW using a Magnum 4448 PAE no problems.  But I have not tried a Level two
charger.

Does anyone know if the onboard car charger uses "sine wave clipping"  SCR
technology? to control battery charging?

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:20 AM, 
wrote:

> We have charged an EV on a Magnum 4024 PAE.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
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>
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> I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has
> been no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with
> his Chevy bolt
>
> Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re
> discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger
> would work in this situation?
>
> Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !
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> Thanks
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Bob-O Schultze]

Krikey!
Can we all please stop using the term “modified sine wave”? It’s just marketing 
BS and y’all know it. Anyone who has looked at that waveform on an oscilloscope 
can plaining see that it is a modified square wave. When we use the BS 
marketing term we are lying to our clients and to ourselves.  

Bob-O

On Apr 23, 2018, at 11:33 AM, RE Ellison  wrote:

I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has been 
no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with his 
Chevy bolt

Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re 
discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger would 
work in this situation? 

Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !

Thanks
Bob Ellison
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[drake . chamberlin]

We have charged an EV on a Magnum 4024 PAE.

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Subject:[RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

 I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that
has been no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York
City with his Chevy bolt

 Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and
we’re discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum
inverter charger would work in this situation? 

 Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !

 Thanks
 Bob Ellison
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Bill Battagin]

I've been charging our Toyota RAV4 EV for the last 5 years on a Radian, 
ocassionally on a couple Outback FX's also.


Bill

Feather River Solar Electric


On 4/23/2018 12:12 PM, August Goers wrote:
As a separate item to check, make sure the grounding electrode system 
and neutral are all up to shape at the site. We've had problems with 
this with various EVs giving an error when atempting to charge.


August
Luminalt

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Ray > wrote:


Pretty sure the Magnum will work, since I have a customer with a
Chevy Volt running on old Trace SW4024 inverters.  Not mod sine,
but they're not near as clean as the Magnums either.

-Ray


On 4/23/18 12:33 PM, RE Ellison wrote:

I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave
inverter that has been no issue at all until recently when he
arrived from New York City with his Chevy bolt

Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave
and we’re discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the
magnum inverter charger would work in this situation?

Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !

Thanks
Bob Ellison
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[August Goers]

As a separate item to check, make sure the grounding electrode system and
neutral are all up to shape at the site. We've had problems with this with
various EVs giving an error when atempting to charge.

August
Luminalt

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Ray  wrote:

> Pretty sure the Magnum will work, since I have a customer with a Chevy
> Volt running on old Trace SW4024 inverters.  Not mod sine, but they're not
> near as clean as the Magnums either.
>
> -Ray
>
>
> On 4/23/18 12:33 PM, RE Ellison wrote:
>
>> I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has
>> been no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with
>> his Chevy bolt
>>
>> Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re
>> discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger
>> would work in this situation?
>>
>> Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bob Ellison
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Starlight Solar Power Systems]

Hey Bob,

It may not be that a modified square wave is causing the problem but rather 
your MSW. At 20 years old, I bet you have ringing on the waveform of your 
inverter (voltage overshoot during switching). Look at it with a scope. I have 
seen 10-12 year old inverters hitting 300+ volts PP on the spikes. Some 
equipment will see that voltage and prevent operation and other equipment will 
hum along (pun intended) blissfully. 

We have had a couple of problems with magnum inverters working with specific 
loads. It would be best to test one before committing to it. 

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems





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I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has been 
no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with his 
Chevy bolt

Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re 
discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger would 
work in this situation? 

Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !

Thanks
Bob Ellison

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[Ray]

Pretty sure the Magnum will work, since I have a customer with a Chevy 
Volt running on old Trace SW4024 inverters.  Not mod sine, but they're 
not near as clean as the Magnums either.


-Ray


On 4/23/18 12:33 PM, RE Ellison wrote:

I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has been 
no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with his 
Chevy bolt

Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re 
discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger would 
work in this situation?

Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !

Thanks
Bob Ellison
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[RE-wrenches] Chevy Bolt

[RE Ellison]

I have a customer with a 20-year-old modified sine wave inverter that has been 
no issue at all until recently when he arrived from New York City with his 
Chevy bolt

Obviously the Bolt will not tolerate the modified sine wave and we’re 
discussing upgrading and we were wondering if the magnum inverter charger would 
work in this situation? 

Thought that I would check with the knowledge base !

Thanks
Bob Ellison
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