Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker
My guess is that the lamp is too sensitive. I find that the cheapest LED bulb from home depot flicker whether using inverter power or generator power. All other LEDs in the house work fine. Like a fool, I keep buying the cheap ones. I totally agree with Andrew " While I can understand the need to placate clients, the days of solar martyrdom needs to end! " Being in the darkest time of year, I spend way too much time placating. John Blittersdorf On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 9:56 AM AE Solar via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Wrenches > We have a project where the homeowner has some of those bedside lamps > where you touch them to turn them on/off/dim (rather than having a switch). > It seems like when the Enphase Gateway is powered up it causes the lights > to freak out. Once we flip the breaker to the Gateway off the lamp operates > as normalZ Interestingly, with another load (homeowner was using a > dehumidifier) plugged into the circuit it seems to stabilize the lights. We > isolated the problem to the Gateway specifically (ie having PV breakers > on/off doesn’t make a difference). It’s a supply side connection. The house > is small but we tried the lamp in multiple parts of the house and it > happens everywhere. Enphase doesn’t have any ideas. Anyone have this > happen to them? > > I think we might just need to buy them some new lamps, but I’m also > interested to understand what is happening. These are just some cheap > lamps, but wondering if other household loads that are more sensitive might > be affected as well? > > Adam > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker
I don't have experience with Enphase's battery system nor have I seen this issue with the touch lights. However, I wonder if there might be something up with neutrals or grounds on the site? Disconnected neutrals, neutrals bonded to ground in more than one location, lack of a good ground grounding electrode system, neutrals mixed up between backup side of IQ System Controller and non-backup side, etc. Might be worth checking out? August Luminalt On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:13 AM Solar Energy Solutions via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Hi Adam, > > We have a clause in all of our contracts that reads “prices not include > any un-anticipatable events” > > While I can understand the need to placate clients, the days of solar > martyrdom needs to end! Is that line replacing a $10 lamp with a $40 lamp? > That is up to you. > > Keep up the good work! > > *Andrew Koyaanisqatsi* > President > > > *Solar Energy Solutions, Inc.The BRIGHT CHOICE* > > *Since 1987,** helping you and your * > *Portland neighbors move** towards an environmentally sustainable future.* > > > *503-238-4502 <503-238-4502>www.SolarEnergyOregon.com > <http://www.solarenergyoregon.com/>* > > On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:43 AM, William Miller via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > > > Adam: > > > > I have experienced the same scenario some years ago with an oval gateway. > We tried some filters but they did not help. We did not have an isolated > load center for the gateway. I think the client bought a new lamp without > touch control. > > > > You need to connect the gateway and inverter to an isolated load center so > you can put a filter on the feeder to that subpanel. > > > > William > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On > Behalf Of *AE Solar via RE-wrenches > *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 6:56 AM > *To:* RE-wrenches > *Cc:* AE Solar > *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker > > > > Wrenches > > We have a project where the homeowner has some of those bedside lamps > where you touch them to turn them on/off/dim (rather than having a switch). > It seems like when the Enphase Gateway is powered up it causes the lights > to freak out. Once we flip the breaker to the Gateway off the lamp operates > as normalZ Interestingly, with another load (homeowner was using a > dehumidifier) plugged into the circuit it seems to stabilize the lights. We > isolated the problem to the Gateway specifically (ie having PV breakers > on/off doesn’t make a difference). It’s a supply side connection. The house > is small but we tried the lamp in multiple parts of the house and it > happens everywhere. Enphase doesn’t have any ideas. Anyone have this > happen to them? > > > > I think we might just need to buy them some new lamps, but I’m also > interested to understand what is happening. These are just some cheap > lamps, but wondering if other household loads that are more sensitive might > be affected as well? > > > > Adam > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Addres
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker
Hi Adam, We have a clause in all of our contracts that reads “prices not include any un-anticipatable events”While I can understand the need to placate clients, the days of solar martyrdom needs to end! Is that line replacing a $10 lamp with a $40 lamp? That is up to you. Keep up the good work!Andrew KoyaanisqatsiPresidentSolar Energy Solutions, Inc.The BRIGHT CHOICESince 1987, helping you and your Portland neighbors move towards an environmentally sustainable future.503-238-4502www.SolarEnergyOregon.comOn Dec 11, 2023, at 8:43 AM, William Miller via RE-wrenches wrote:Adam: I have experienced the same scenario some years ago with an oval gateway. We tried some filters but they did not help. We did not have an isolated load center for the gateway. I think the client bought a new lamp without touch control. You need to connect the gateway and inverter to an isolated load center so you can put a filter on the feeder to that subpanel. William From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of AE Solar via RE-wrenchesSent: Monday, December 11, 2023 6:56 AMTo: RE-wrenchesCc: AE SolarSubject: [RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker WrenchesWe have a project where the homeowner has some of those bedside lamps where you touch them to turn them on/off/dim (rather than having a switch). It seems like when the Enphase Gateway is powered up it causes the lights to freak out. Once we flip the breaker to the Gateway off the lamp operates as normalZ Interestingly, with another load (homeowner was using a dehumidifier) plugged into the circuit it seems to stabilize the lights. We isolated the problem to the Gateway specifically (ie having PV breakers on/off doesn’t make a difference). It’s a supply side connection. The house is small but we tried the lamp in multiple parts of the house and it happens everywhere. Enphase doesn’t have any ideas. Anyone have this happen to them? I think we might just need to buy them some new lamps, but I’m also interested to understand what is happening. These are just some cheap lamps, but wondering if other household loads that are more sensitive might be affected as well? Adam ___List sponsored by Redwood AlliancePay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.orgList Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.orgChange listserver email address & settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgThere are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other:https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList rules & etiquette:http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htmCheck out or update participant bios:http://www.members.re-wrenches.org___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker
Adam: I have experienced the same scenario some years ago with an oval gateway. We tried some filters but they did not help. We did not have an isolated load center for the gateway. I think the client bought a new lamp without touch control. You need to connect the gateway and inverter to an isolated load center so you can put a filter on the feeder to that subpanel. William *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *AE Solar via RE-wrenches *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 6:56 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Cc:* AE Solar *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker Wrenches We have a project where the homeowner has some of those bedside lamps where you touch them to turn them on/off/dim (rather than having a switch). It seems like when the Enphase Gateway is powered up it causes the lights to freak out. Once we flip the breaker to the Gateway off the lamp operates as normalZ Interestingly, with another load (homeowner was using a dehumidifier) plugged into the circuit it seems to stabilize the lights. We isolated the problem to the Gateway specifically (ie having PV breakers on/off doesn’t make a difference). It’s a supply side connection. The house is small but we tried the lamp in multiple parts of the house and it happens everywhere. Enphase doesn’t have any ideas. Anyone have this happen to them? I think we might just need to buy them some new lamps, but I’m also interested to understand what is happening. These are just some cheap lamps, but wondering if other household loads that are more sensitive might be affected as well? Adam ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Enphase Gateway causing lamp to flicker
Wrenches We have a project where the homeowner has some of those bedside lamps where you touch them to turn them on/off/dim (rather than having a switch). It seems like when the Enphase Gateway is powered up it causes the lights to freak out. Once we flip the breaker to the Gateway off the lamp operates as normalZ Interestingly, with another load (homeowner was using a dehumidifier) plugged into the circuit it seems to stabilize the lights. We isolated the problem to the Gateway specifically (ie having PV breakers on/off doesn’t make a difference). It’s a supply side connection. The house is small but we tried the lamp in multiple parts of the house and it happens everywhere. Enphase doesn’t have any ideas. Anyone have this happen to them? I think we might just need to buy them some new lamps, but I’m also interested to understand what is happening. These are just some cheap lamps, but wondering if other household loads that are more sensitive might be affected as well? Adam ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
