Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-14 Thread Andrew Perkins via RE-wrenches 
Issues with Pytes or EG4? I had problems with EG4 and it took over a month for 
tech support to get back to me. 


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 On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 12:28:45 -0700 Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches 
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I have one of four one alarm locked no tech support 


On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 2:11 PM Darryl Thayer  
wrote:

Yes the pytes are good price, I had problems and no tech support 


On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 1:51 PM Andrew Perkins via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:

Jay we have been doing a few of these Pytes they seem like a upgrade from the 
EG4s, better manuals and integration guides and I can get them from NAZ instead 
of SignatureSolar.



Only real issue so far is they have a special terminal on them so they come 
with these little jumpers.



https://www.solar-electric.com/pytes-e-box-48100r-5-12kwh-lithium-iron-phosphate-battery.html



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 On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:19:58 -0700 Jay via RE-wrenches 
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Hi all

I’m
Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh. 
System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback equipment. 
That could change but probably not. 
Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7. 

So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at. 
Blue planet is just too expensive. 

And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This goes 
against everything I thought I understood about lithium. 
Any comments about why they say that? 
Do others say rhat?

Thanks in advance 

Jay



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-14 Thread Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches 
I have one of four one alarm locked no tech support

On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 2:11 PM Darryl Thayer  wrote:

> Yes the pytes are good price, I had problems and no tech support
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 1:51 PM Andrew Perkins via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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>> Jay we have been doing a few of these Pytes they seem like a upgrade from
>> the EG4s, better manuals and integration guides and I can get them from NAZ
>> instead of SignatureSolar.
>>
>> Only real issue so far is they have a special terminal on them so they
>> come with these little jumpers.
>>
>>
>> https://www.solar-electric.com/pytes-e-box-48100r-5-12kwh-lithium-iron-phosphate-battery.html
>>
>> Andrew Perkins
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>>  On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:19:58 -0700 *Jay via RE-wrenches
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>> wrote ---
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>> Hi all
>>
>> I’m
>> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v. 150-200 kWh.
>> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
>> equipment. That could change but probably not.
>> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>>
>> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
>> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>>
>> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
>> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
>> Any comments about why they say that?
>> Do others say rhat?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Jay
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-14 Thread Andrew Perkins via RE-wrenches 
Jay we have been doing a few of these Pytes they seem like a upgrade from the 
EG4s, better manuals and integration guides and I can get them from NAZ instead 
of SignatureSolar.



Only real issue so far is they have a special terminal on them so they come 
with these little jumpers.



https://www.solar-electric.com/pytes-e-box-48100r-5-12kwh-lithium-iron-phosphate-battery.html



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 On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:19:58 -0700 Jay via RE-wrenches 
 wrote ---



Hi all

I’m
Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh. 
System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback equipment. 
That could change but probably not. 
Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7. 

So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at. 
Blue planet is just too expensive. 

And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This goes 
against everything I thought I understood about lithium. 
Any comments about why they say that? 
Do others say rhat?

Thanks in advance 

Jay



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread david quattro via RE-wrenches 
SimpliPhi has given me zero problems over about a dozen systems. so far I
have only used the 3.8kWh units that are not capable of closed loop
communication.




On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 9:34 PM Carl Hansen via RE-wrenches <
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>   Peter,
>
>I've also installed a few EG4 rack battery systems, they are working
> out well, tech support is easy to reach, not problems so far, customers
> like the price point. Standard 10 year warranty, company seems pretty
> solid, easy to communicate with.
>
>   Carl Hansen
>
>   Hansen&Sun Electric
>
> On 7/13/2023 5:11 PM, Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches wrote:
> > Jay
> >
> >You may want to look at the EG4's. Have been using them for several
> years and they have been great. They just brought out a comms hub that
> could help you. Their racks are great as well. $$ is good, especially
> compared to Fortress and the other.
> >
> >Take a look
> >
> > Thx
> > Peter Giroux
> > American Solar
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf
> Of Jay via RE-wrenches
> > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:20 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches 
> > Cc: Jay 
> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I’m
> > Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
> > System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
> equipment. That could change but probably not.
> > Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
> >
> > So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
> > Blue planet is just too expensive.
> >
> > And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
> > Any comments about why they say that?
> > Do others say rhat?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Jay
> >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Carl Hansen via RE-wrenches 

 Peter,

  I've also installed a few EG4 rack battery systems, they are working 
out well, tech support is easy to reach, not problems so far, customers 
like the price point. Standard 10 year warranty, company seems pretty 
solid, easy to communicate with.


 Carl Hansen

 Hansen&Sun Electric

On 7/13/2023 5:11 PM, Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches wrote:

Jay

   You may want to look at the EG4's. Have been using them for several years 
and they have been great. They just brought out a comms hub that could help 
you. Their racks are great as well. $$ is good, especially compared to Fortress 
and the other.

   Take a look

Thx
Peter Giroux
American Solar

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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

Hi all

I’m
Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback equipment. 
That could change but probably not.
Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.

So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
Blue planet is just too expensive.

And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This goes 
against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
Any comments about why they say that?
Do others say rhat?

Thanks in advance

Jay



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
Fortress can be disassembled and moved easily, blue planet comes in
seperate parts and can be purchased in 8, 12 or 16 kWhrs and both have a
cabinet and BMS Included
Fun times

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> Keep in mind the Fortress eVault is a 500 lb beast. Our installers
> complained about it and we've moved to smaller, rack-mount units and are
> currently testing the HomeGrid Stack'd in various configurations.
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> On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 19:34, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
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>> Jay
>> Fortress is a good solution, blueplanet is a great battery also, both
>> have been around long enough. So many manufacturers talk the big warranty
>> but don't have time in the field to support what they say. I ran a lab
>> testing batteries and saw some impossible warranties.
>> Fun times
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 3:20 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I’m
>>> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
>>> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
>>> equipment. That could change but probably not.
>>> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>>>
>>> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
>>> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>>>
>>> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
>>> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
>>> Any comments about why they say that?
>>> Do others say rhat?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Eric Smiley via RE-wrenches 
Keep in mind the Fortress eVault is a 500 lb beast. Our installers
complained about it and we've moved to smaller, rack-mount units and are
currently testing the HomeGrid Stack'd in various configurations.


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On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 19:34, Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
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> Jay
> Fortress is a good solution, blueplanet is a great battery also, both have
> been around long enough. So many manufacturers talk the big warranty but
> don't have time in the field to support what they say. I ran a lab testing
> batteries and saw some impossible warranties.
> Fun times
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 3:20 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
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>> Hi all
>>
>> I’m
>> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
>> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
>> equipment. That could change but probably not.
>> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>>
>> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
>> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>>
>> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
>> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
>> Any comments about why they say that?
>> Do others say rhat?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Jay
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
Jay
Fortress is a good solution, blueplanet is a great battery also, both have
been around long enough. So many manufacturers talk the big warranty but
don't have time in the field to support what they say. I ran a lab testing
batteries and saw some impossible warranties.
Fun times

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> Hi all
>
> I’m
> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
> equipment. That could change but probably not.
> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>
> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>
> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
> Any comments about why they say that?
> Do others say rhat?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jay
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Daryl DeJoy via RE-wrenches 
I believe(but am not sure) that it was about their inverters and SolArks
being made by the same manufacturer.
Their batteries had nothing to do with it and while we have had multiple
problems with Fortress and other high priced LiFePo batteries with the same
warranties and expected life cycles , Atlas continues to provide a very
reliable product with very good customer support, when needed. Trying to
get tech support from other manufacturers, especially when the installer is
on site, can be exhausting and futile. Not so with the few times we've
needed support from Atlas.

Just my experience,
Daryl

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> Didn’t they just lose the lawsuit against them from Sol-Ark?
>
> Amanda Potter
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> On Jul 13, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Daryl DeJoy via RE-wrenches <
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> 
> Hi Jay,
>We've installed about 400k's worth of Atlas LiFePo4 "Powerwalls" and
> "powertowers" over the past two years, many on Outback systems.
>   They're located in Utah and the owner picks up the phone most of the
> time when I call. They're growing and determined to do it right as they do
> from what I've seen so far.
> http://www.atlaspowersolutions.com/
>
> Daryl
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 3:21 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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>> Hi all
>>
>> I’m
>> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
>> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
>> equipment. That could change but probably not.
>> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>>
>> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
>> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>>
>> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
>> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
>> Any comments about why they say that?
>> Do others say rhat?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Amanda Potter via RE-wrenches 
Didn’t they just lose the lawsuit against them from Sol-Ark?Amanda PotterEnergy Storage SpecialistNABCEP PV Installation ProfessionalNYSERDA Eligible PV InstallerAdirondack Battery & Solar, LLCPotsdam, NY (315) 212-2114 Call/ TextOn Jul 13, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Daryl DeJoy via RE-wrenches  wrote:Hi Jay,   We've installed about 400k's worth of Atlas LiFePo4 "Powerwalls" and "powertowers" over the past two years, many on Outback systems.  They're located in Utah and the owner picks up the phone most of the time when I call. They're growing and determined to do it right as they do from what I've seen so far.http://www.atlaspowersolutions.com/Daryl On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 3:21 PM Jay via RE-wrenches  wrote:Hi all

I’m
Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh. 
System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback equipment. That could change but probably not. 
Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7. 

So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at. 
Blue planet is just too expensive. 

And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium. 
Any comments about why they say that? 
Do others say rhat?

Thanks in advance 

Jay



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Daryl DeJoy via RE-wrenches 
Hi Jay,
   We've installed about 400k's worth of Atlas LiFePo4 "Powerwalls" and
"powertowers" over the past two years, many on Outback systems.
  They're located in Utah and the owner picks up the phone most of the time
when I call. They're growing and determined to do it right as they do from
what I've seen so far.
http://www.atlaspowersolutions.com/

Daryl

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> Hi all
>
> I’m
> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
> equipment. That could change but probably not.
> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>
> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>
> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
> Any comments about why they say that?
> Do others say rhat?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jay
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches 
Guarantee you EG4 won't be around in 5 years. Their retailers like
Signature and Sovereign Solar are a joke. Bet you they won't be around long
either. I think you will find more bad experiences than good.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 4:12 PM Michael Morningstar 
wrote:

> If they are going to spend that kind of money, ditch OB. I've never had an
> Outback system, going all the way back, that didn't puke prematurely and
> have issues. Discover AES and Schneider for the win. Once they are set up,
> they just work.
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 3:20 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
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>> Hi all
>>
>> I’m
>> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
>> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
>> equipment. That could change but probably not.
>> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>>
>> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
>> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>>
>> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
>> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
>> Any comments about why they say that?
>> Do others say rhat?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches 
If they are going to spend that kind of money, ditch OB. I've never had an
Outback system, going all the way back, that didn't puke prematurely and
have issues. Discover AES and Schneider for the win. Once they are set up,
they just work.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 3:20 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I’m
> Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh.
> System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback
> equipment. That could change but probably not.
> Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7.
>
> So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at.
> Blue planet is just too expensive.
>
> And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This
> goes against everything I thought I understood about lithium.
> Any comments about why they say that?
> Do others say rhat?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jay
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches 
Jay

  You may want to look at the EG4's. Have been using them for several years and 
they have been great. They just brought out a comms hub that could help you. 
Their racks are great as well. $$ is good, especially compared to Fortress and 
the other.

  Take a look

Thx
Peter Giroux
American Solar

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Hi all

I’m
Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh. 
System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback equipment. 
That could change but probably not. 
Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7. 

So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at. 
Blue planet is just too expensive. 

And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This goes 
against everything I thought I understood about lithium. 
Any comments about why they say that? 
Do others say rhat?

Thanks in advance 

Jay



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[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

2023-07-13 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches 
Hi all

I’m
Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v.  150-200 kWh. 
System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback equipment. 
That could change but probably not. 
Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7. 

So far fortress and home grid. Have been recommended to look at. 
Blue planet is just too expensive. 

And PS. Fortress says that you cannot add batteries after 1 year. This goes 
against everything I thought I understood about lithium. 
Any comments about why they say that? 
Do others say rhat?

Thanks in advance 

Jay



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